Hi Josh,
On 2016-11-16 14:03, Josh berkus wrote:
Board:
One chronic problem we have had with the SPI Board is failure to attend
meetings causing board meetings to be recessed due to lack of quorum.
As such, I would like to see some reference to a Board Attendence Policy
in the new bylaws, e.g.:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 01:46 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:32:21PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >>On 11/17/2016 01:09 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
> >>
> Do we have officers who could spend more time on SPI if t
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 01:46 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:32:21PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >>On 11/17/2016 01:09 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
> >>
> Do we have officers who could spend more time on SPI if t
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:04:20PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> I don't know that it matters. Officers of a corporation should be
> compensated. It is also normal for established non profits to do so (See
> Python Foundation).
there are many normal things which totally suck.
> Of course we cou
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:32:15AM -0800, Josh berkus wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 11:27 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On 11/17/2016 10:59 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
> >
> >> That's not relevant to why we need an admin. Nor has anyone suggested
> >> hiring a fundraiser.
> >>
> >> SPI is at this point a $5
On 11/16/2016 10:27 PM, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> As with Martin Michlmayr's reply, I'm fine with the bylaws specifying that we
> should have a board attendance policy, and that falling below a certain
> threshold can (or should or must) lead to removal for cause. I'd rather leave
> the specifics of
On 11/17/2016 01:46 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:32:21PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
On 11/17/2016 01:09 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
Do we have officers who could spend more time on SPI if they were paid
to do so?
A NPO cannot pay officers and ex-officers without crea
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:32:21PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 01:09 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
>
> >>Do we have officers who could spend more time on SPI if they were paid
> >>to do so?
> >
> >A NPO cannot pay officers and ex-officers without creating a major
> >conflict of inter
On 11/17/2016 01:09 PM, Bill Allombert wrote:
Do we have officers who could spend more time on SPI if they were paid
to do so?
A NPO cannot pay officers and ex-officers without creating a major
conflict of interest.
An NPO can absolutely pay officers. They can't pay board members.
Sincerely
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:32:15AM -0800, Josh berkus wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 11:27 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On 11/17/2016 10:59 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
> >
> >> That's not relevant to why we need an admin. Nor has anyone suggested
> >> hiring a fundraiser.
> >>
> >> SPI is at this point a $5
Using other non-profits in the same space as SPI, FWIW the officers of NumFOCUS
are not compensated. I don’t know about about those of the SFConservancy?
-hilmar
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> On 11/17/2016 11:32 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
>> On 11/17/2016 11:27 AM, Jo
On 11/17/2016 11:33 AM, Hilmar Lapp wrote:
On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
if we pay staff, at a minimum we must pay who manages that staff.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. If the staff is a contractor, then
whatever management is needed is normally factored into
On 11/17/2016 11:32 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
On 11/17/2016 11:27 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
On 11/17/2016 10:59 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
Correct, which is why I am an advocate of paid officers. I am not
opposed to office staff either of course, but if we pay staff, at a
minimum we must pay who ma
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> if we pay staff, at a minimum we must pay who manages that staff.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. If the staff is a contractor, then
whatever management is needed is normally factored into the rate. Or do you
want to argue that
On 11/17/2016 11:27 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 10:59 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
>
>> That's not relevant to why we need an admin. Nor has anyone suggested
>> hiring a fundraiser.
>>
>> SPI is at this point a $500K organization. It is downright
>> irresponsible of us not to have paid
On 11/17/2016 10:59 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
That's not relevant to why we need an admin. Nor has anyone suggested
hiring a fundraiser.
SPI is at this point a $500K organization. It is downright
irresponsible of us not to have paid staff to handle the paperwork.
Sooner or later, we will miss so
On 11/17/2016 10:41 AM, Bill Allombert wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Josh berkus wrote:
>>
>> 2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
>> administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
>> something of the sort?
>
> In my experience,
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Josh berkus wrote:
>
> 2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
> administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
> something of the sort?
In my experience, the job of such paid staff member quickly become to do
On 11/17/2016 09:49 AM, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 09:05:33AM -0800, Josh berkus wrote:
>> 2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
>> administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
>> something of the sort?
>>
>
> Thanks f
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 09:05:33AM -0800, Josh berkus wrote:
> 2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
> administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
> something of the sort?
>
Thanks for bringing this up again, may I suggest we put someth
On 11/17/2016 09:05 AM, Josh berkus wrote:
On 11/16/2016 03:01 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
something of the sort?
That might have been me (I don'
On 11/17/2016 09:18 AM, Hilmar Lapp wrote:
>
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Josh berkus wrote:
>>
>> 2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
>> administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
>> something of the sort?
>
> I actually have,
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Josh berkus wrote:
>
> 2) SPI is a big enough NPO that it really should have at least one paid
> administrative staff member. I believe that Drake previously proposed
> something of the sort?
I actually have, too, including at a Board meeting. I continue to feel
On 11/16/2016 03:01 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> A lot of man-hours are spent on treasury activities. Whilst we are
> constantly accepting donations. Accounting / crediting donations to
> the projects & paying expenses is I think by far most time demanding
> thing for the board.
You are correc
In general I'm a believer in the statement that action (and inactions) speak
louder than words. If a Board member misses a majority of Board meetings
_without notice_, I think it's entirely fair to treat that as a statement from
that Board member that they're disengaging.
Disengagement could be
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:27:37AM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> Nobody minds you missing an occasional meeting for the rest of your life.
I phrased the above sentence oddly. What I meant is: "Nobody minds you missing
an occasional meeting because of the other aspects of your life."
- Jimmy Kap
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:01:57PM +, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> I think I do have it easy, as I am not an officer nor sysadmin.
> Nonetheless, over the past month I have spend about 14-16 hours
> reviewing / auditing accounting, generating reports (which are now
> published), and respon
On 11/16/2016 03:01 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
Discussion?
I do not believe that lack of quorum has been stalling the progress,
or the day to day work of the SPI.
Not the day to day work no but it has in the past, often stopped overall
progress including votes on associated projects.
On 16 November 2016 at 19:03, Josh berkus wrote:
> Board:
>
> One chronic problem we have had with the SPI Board is failure to attend
> meetings causing board meetings to be recessed due to lack of quorum.
> As such, I would like to see some reference to a Board Attendence Policy
> in the new byla
On 11/16/2016 11:10 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Josh berkus [2016-11-16 11:03]:
>> One chronic problem we have had with the SPI Board is failure to attend
>> meetings causing board meetings to be recessed due to lack of quorum.
>
> It hasn't been a problem in recent years though.
Not *as muc
* Josh berkus [2016-11-16 11:03]:
> One chronic problem we have had with the SPI Board is failure to attend
> meetings causing board meetings to be recessed due to lack of quorum.
It hasn't been a problem in recent years though.
> As such, I would like to see some reference to a Board Attendence
Board:
One chronic problem we have had with the SPI Board is failure to attend
meetings causing board meetings to be recessed due to lack of quorum.
As such, I would like to see some reference to a Board Attendence Policy
in the new bylaws, e.g.:
"The Board shall adopt a Board Meeting attendence
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