Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Barak A. Pearlmutter writes ("Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)"): > [more range voting advocacy] I will spare the readers of spi-general a point-by-point rebuttal. I would caution readers against taking Barak's assertions at face value. Man

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
Dimitri, Of course we're discussing multiwinner systems: systems that elect k-of-n people to a board, where k>1. As you note, when k=n the election is uncontested so there is no need for any voting system. In the Burlington election discussed, k=1 and n=3. That's about the simplest situation you

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 3 March 2017 at 13:46, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: >> You are advocating range voting. I remain convinced that range voting >> is a terrible voting system, because all but the most tactically aware >> voters will cast hopelessly ineffective ballots. This criticism >> applies less to approval

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 2 March 2017 at 18:07, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > On 1 March 2017 at 13:47, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >> I have received tens of mails from FVC and none discussed monotonicity or >> any technical point. > >> This was not a comment on the substance of Barak's claim. > > In my discussion of the

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 10:28:53AM -0500, Hilmar Lapp wrote: > >I think it’s great that people are speaking up here with their >thoughts on this matter, even if they rehash arguments that have been >discussed ad nauseam earlier. > >I think it’s also reasonable to expect that those arguments won’t b

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
> You are advocating range voting. I remain convinced that range voting > is a terrible voting system, because all but the most tactically aware > voters will cast hopelessly ineffective ballots. This criticism > applies less to approval voting, but approval voting still involves a > lot of guess

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
On 1 March 2017 at 13:47, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > I have received tens of mails from FVC and none discussed monotonicity or > any technical point. > This was not a comment on the substance of Barak's claim. In my discussion of these issues, I did my best to give pointers to grounded technical

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Hilmar Lapp
I think it’s great that people are speaking up here with their thoughts on this matter, even if they rehash arguments that have been discussed ad nauseam earlier. I think it’s also reasonable to expect that those arguments won’t be entertained again by everyone else at the same depth that they

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Barak A. Pearlmutter writes ("Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)"): > [stuff] I've said all I want to say about choice of voting systems. It's clear that you are not going to convince me; and that I am not going to convince you. I suggest we

Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)

2017-03-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Luca Filipozzi writes ("Re: Voting system R&D (Re: 2017 update to the SPI voting algorithm for Board elections)"): > On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 07:18:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > [1] Personally I think the voting system should be entrenched in > > the bylaws but I have given up trying to persua