Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-21 Thread Kerry Nice
Well, I guess I'm a bit of an exception in the world, a computer geek with English and Film degrees. That probably explains a few things. I like to think I have a wide variety of interests rather than being fluffy. If it seems worthwhile, I would be happy to set up an account on my machine and

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-20 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> I guess it depends on what the focus is here, do you > want something that works great for a largely US based > group with mostly technical email or is there a wider > goal? Do you go for 100% spam catching with some > false positives or do you miss some because you never > want a false positiv

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-20 Thread Kerry Nice
I did email Chris Prillo of Lockergnome and tried to enlighten him. His response basically was that he was mad that people were using something that they didn't know how to use and it was too powerful. Ok fine, but I think it is misdirected anger, but I see why he is mad since his newsletter, wh

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Lars Hansson
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:38:52 -0700 "Kerry Nice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw in the Lockergnome newsletter I received today, Spamassassin was > slammed big time. I do see his point though. Does SA really do that > great of a job with newsletters and journals? Lets just say that "Boogie

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Matthew Cline
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 12:57 pm, Craig Hughes wrote: > Actually, something I've noticed is that otherwise legitimate-looking > email frequently gets tripped up by an ad tacked on the bottom of the > mail -- this happens with mailing lists trying to support themselves, > but also with things lik

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Paul Traina
00 PM Subject: Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:57:30PM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: > | On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 06:22, dman wrote: > | > Just for elightenment, take a look at the newsletters again. Do they > | > sound at all similar to spam m

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread dman
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:57:30PM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: | On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 06:22, dman wrote: | > Just for elightenment, take a look at the newsletters again. Do they | > sound at all similar to spam messages you've seen? SA is only a text | > processor, not an actual human, so it can

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Craig Hughes
On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 06:22, dman wrote: > Just for elightenment, take a look at the newsletters again. Do they > sound at all similar to spam messages you've seen? SA is only a text > processor, not an actual human, so it can only do so much. There are > some legitimate mails that are so simil

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Matthew Cline
On Monday 18 March 2002 07:38 pm, Kerry Nice wrote: > I saw in the Lockergnome newsletter I received today, Spamassassin was > slammed big time. I do see his point though. Does SA really do that > great of a job with newsletters and journals? We could take out the rules that get triggered ofte

RE: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
Behalf Of > Kenneth Chen > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists > > > Well there you go! An real-life example of the best of both worlds. :) > Sounds like a great set-up; are you filte

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Scott Doty
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 08:38:50AM -0800, Kenneth Chen wrote: > Well there you go! An real-life example of the best of both worlds. :) > Sounds like a great set-up; are you filtering all mail through procmail > first -> spamassassin? > > I'm curious as to what ISPs would use for that purpose...

RE: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Kenneth Chen
Well there you go! An real-life example of the best of both worlds. :) Sounds like a great set-up; are you filtering all mail through procmail first -> spamassassin? I'm curious as to what ISPs would use for that purpose... Kenneth --- Kenneth Chen Unit Supervi

RE: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Kenneth Chen > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:49 PM > To: Kerry Nice > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists > > > I believe that if an ISP is going to use SA for their mailserver, they > sho

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> Is this just the journals I read or does this seem like a really big > problem to others? I know these can be whitelisted (and in my case, > procmail takes care of them), but if an ISP, for example, is going to > use SA, lots of people are going to get legitmate mail filtered and will > have to

RE: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kerry > Nice > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists > > > I saw in the Lockergnome newsletter I received today, Spamassassin was

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-19 Thread dman
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:38:52PM -0700, Kerry Nice wrote: | I saw in the Lockergnome newsletter I received today, Spamassassin was | slammed big time. I do see his point though. Does SA really do that | great of a job with newsletters and journals? ... | Is this just the journals I read or

Re: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-18 Thread Kenneth Chen
I believe that if an ISP is going to use SA for their mailserver, they should really be careful what threshold they set their SA configuration. Anything below 10 is playing with fire, IMHO. For my own system I use 7.0, but due to my small number of users I can also go through the spam mailbox and

[SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-18 Thread Kerry Nice
I saw in the Lockergnome newsletter I received today, Spamassassin was slammed big time. I do see his point though. Does SA really do that great of a job with newsletters and journals? Just as an exercise, I ran though my journals folder though SA and it wasn't pretty. These are all mailing