Kerry,
Could you try adding the tests that Matthew recently posted specifically for
lists?  Would be interesting to see how or if these change your results.
Here they are:

Here's some rules that I have for lists:

# Only look for 7 bit chars between square brackets, because a lot
# of spam with 8 bit chars in the subject would match this rule
header ELIST_1                  Subject =~ /^.{0,6}\[[\000-\177]{2,20}\]/
describe ELIST_1                Subject has something between square
brackets

header   ELIST_2                List-Unsubscribe =~ /./
describe ELIST_2                List-Unsubscribe field exists

header   ELIST_3                X-Original-Date =~ /./
describe ELIST_3                X-Original-Date field exists

header   ELIST_4                Errors-To =~ /./
describe ELIST_4                Errors-To field exists

header   ELIST_5                Precedence =~ /bulk/i
describe ELIST_5                Prescendce is bulk

header   ELIST_6                Mailing-List =~ /./
describe ELIST_6                Mailing List field exists

header   ELIST_7                ALL =~ /(?:noreply|nobody)\@(?!localhost)/i
describe ELIST_7                Reply to nodoby/noreply

score ELIST_1                   -1.0
score ELIST_2                   -1.0
score ELIST_3                   -1.0
score ELIST_4                   -1.0
score ELIST_5                   -1.0
score ELIST_6                   -1.0
score ELIST_7                   -1.0

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kerry
> Nice
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [SAtalk] SA's performance with mailing lists
>
>
> I saw in the Lockergnome newsletter I received today, Spamassassin was
> slammed big time.  I do see his point though.  Does SA really do that
> great of a job with newsletters and journals?
>
> Just as an exercise, I ran though my journals folder though SA and it
> wasn't pretty.  These are all mailing lists that I subscribe to in this
> folder.  There were about 2000 emails covering about two years, about
> 100 recent ones from the last month or so and the rest were things that
> I haven't gotten around to deleting yet.
>
> Out of those, 213 hit over 5 and a lot of them scored in double digits.
>   Pretty much every one of the Lockergnome journals scored about 15.  I
> never see this since as a matter of habit procmail filters all my
> mailing lists to another folder before SA sees any of them.
>
> Is this just the journals I read or does this seem like a really big
> problem to others?  I know these can be whitelisted (and in my case,
> procmail takes care of them), but if an ISP, for example, is going to
> use SA, lots of people are going to get legitmate mail filtered and will
> have to go hunting for it in their caught mail folder.
>
> I think it does a great job with personal emails, you know, letters to
> mom and friends, but mailing lists seem to contain so many of the spammy
> sorts of things, they really don't score well.
>
> If anybody wants to look at the emails, let me know and I'll send the
> file of emails that failed the test along.
>
> Kerry.
>
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