[SAtalk] user-prefs

2003-10-07 Thread Thomas Kinghorn
Hi List. For some reason my user prefs file keeps disappearing. Has anyone else had this problem? Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. "Failed to create default user preference file //.spamassassin/user_prefs" Regards, Tom Kinghorn --

RE: [SAtalk] 2.60 lock errors

2003-10-07 Thread Diego Weinstein
So this means we cannot run multiple sessions? I'm running SA 2.6 spamd/spamc, and getting this same error log. I'm receiving about 2 mail connections to the mta per second, so I have sometimes about 20 spamd processes running, that's my top because I have only 512 mb of ram. So, I need to run m

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Roger
Dan Wilder wrote: If they're all using totally great NFS implementations with locking that works and all, you might not get any databases truncated or damaged. As far as nfs implementations go Sun's(the inventors of nfs) have by far the best server/client in my opinion. I've used various nfs

RE: [SAtalk] RBL check

2003-10-07 Thread Scott Harris
I turned mine off today for just that reason. A lot of the legitimate mailing lists were being blocked. Unfortunately now I'm starting to see the opt*, lf* and ls* coming back. After a week of testing I'm VERY please to not have to add those to my site RBL, but very dissatisfied with dropping le

Re: [SAtalk] Load configuration file

2003-10-07 Thread Matthias Fuhrmann
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Matthias Fuhrmann wrote: > [...] > > I'd like to know the receiver domain (hello.com in the example) and load > > or do something to use the specific setting for "hello.com". > > > > Is it possible? how ? IS there an another way ? > > > if i got u correctly, yes, is possible: >

Re: [SAtalk] Why SpamAssassin STOP FILTERING SPAM !!! HELP !!!

2003-10-07 Thread David B Funk
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, O-Zone wrote: > Hi all, > here's my problem, AGAIN ! I've checked perms into /usr/share/spamassassin and > are all owned by spamfilter user. This is my startup command: > > /usr/bin/spamd -a -C /etc/mail/spamassassin/ -d -u spamfilter -m 10 It may still be a permissions proble

Re: [SAtalk] incorectly identified trusted host

2003-10-07 Thread David B Funk
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Tim B wrote: > Problem in spamassassin 2.60 -- trusted relay > > There seems there might be a glitch in the detection of trusted relays > which is causing RBL checks to be bypassed. > > Is there a way to bypass the autodetection of trusted relays and use > only ones specified i

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Daniel Quinlan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin Mason) writes: > Our locking code is NFS-safe. However IMO I'd say it's very slow over > NFS... bayes dbs are *big* and pretty much random-access. In theory, it's safe. In practice, it's slow and ... ? Daniel --- T

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread David B Funk
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Adam Denenberg wrote: > anybody sharing bayes over NFS, with any issues? I thought i read > somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS with a netapp filer > with no probs. > > anybody want to put in their $.02 to bayes over NFS. > > I am running 2.6 FYI. Read the fo

RE: [SAtalk] OT: anti-spam email-only host

2003-10-07 Thread Larry Gilson
Do you mean http://www.death2spam.com/ ? > -Original Message- > From: Tom Meunier > Sounds like Postini. Or Messagelabs. postini dot com or > messagelabs dot com. > > Messagelabs is using a modified SpamAssassin, iirc. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jonathan Vanasco

[SAtalk] incorectly identified trusted host

2003-10-07 Thread Tim B
Problem in spamassassin 2.60 -- trusted relay There seems there might be a glitch in the detection of trusted relays which is causing RBL checks to be bypassed. Is there a way to bypass the autodetection of trusted relays and use only ones specified in a .cf file? I searched bugzilla and didn'

[SAtalk] Per User Filtering w/ Horde's SAM

2003-10-07 Thread Gary C. New
I am trying to figure out what the best method is for using per user filtering rules with Spamd and Horde's SAM. I am currently using a Postfix > Amavisd-new > Postfix architecture, but this does not provide for per user spamassassin filtering with SAM. Is it possible to filter incoming message

[SAtalk] saProxy with Razor, DCC, etc. tests?

2003-10-07 Thread Robert Wornan
Anyone know if saProxy (Windows) has been made to work with any of the extended network tests (Razor, etc.)? It seems like combining the capabilities of saProxy, and something like SpamPal, which checks DNSBL lists, would be powerful tool. Bob ---

Re: [SAtalk] Why SpamAssassin STOP FILTERING SPAM !!! HELP !!!

2003-10-07 Thread Matthias Fuhrmann
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, O-Zone wrote: > Hi all, > here's my problem, AGAIN ! I've checked perms into /usr/share/spamassassin and > are all owned by spamfilter user. This is my startup command: > > /usr/bin/spamd -a -C /etc/mail/spamassassin/ -d -u spamfilter -m 10 > > and this is an header of a SPAM m

[SAtalk] RBL check

2003-10-07 Thread Doug Crompton
Are others having the degree of disatisfaction with the RBL check that I am. It seems that seeminly legitimate sites are being tagged as relay's. Like comcast.com or net and many others that I would not think were allowing relaying. I am about to turn it off or at least lower the score. Doug ***

Re: [SAtalk] Load configuration file

2003-10-07 Thread Matthias Fuhrmann
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Christian Ista wrote: [...] > I'd like to know the receiver domain (hello.com in the example) and load > or do something to use the specific setting for "hello.com". > > Is it possible? how ? IS there an another way ? if i got u correctly, yes, is possible: whitelist_from [E

RE: [SAtalk] OT: anti-spam email-only host

2003-10-07 Thread Tom Meunier
Sounds like Postini. Or Messagelabs. postini dot com or messagelabs dot com. Messagelabs is using a modified SpamAssassin, iirc. > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Vanasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk

Re: [SAtalk] 2.60 lock errors

2003-10-07 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:06 PM 10/7/2003, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: I haven't found a real answer in the archives... What is the cause of this error: Cannot open bayes databases /etc/mail/spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: lock failed: File exists And is there a solution? The normal cause of that error is two SA processes tryi

RE: [SAtalk] 2.60 lock errors

2003-10-07 Thread Steven Manross
Does a .lock file exist in your $ENV{%HOME%}/.spamassassin dir? Delete it. It's probably left over from a connection that was killed before SA could delete the LOCK file. I had this happen when I was running multiple instances and killed one of the instances. I'd check it while no one is access

Re: [SAtalk] SA 2.60 build failed!

2003-10-07 Thread Klaus Heinz
Jim Ford wrote: > t/spamd_hup.t84 50.00% 3-5 8 > Failed 1/40 test scripts, 97.50% okay. 4/303 subtests failed, 98.68% okay. > Ideas, anyone, please? This is most probably the problem described in http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 Essentially, your mac

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Justin Mason
Dan Wilder writes: > If they're all using totally great NFS implementations with locking that > works and all, you might not get any databases truncated or damaged. Our locking code is NFS-safe. However IMO I'd say it's very slow over NFS... bayes dbs are *big* and pretty much random-access. -

[SAtalk] OT: anti-spam email-only host

2003-10-07 Thread Jonathan Vanasco
I remember seeing a while back an anti-spam email-only host. It had a crazy name, and worked like this: you have your mx point to their machine, and webmail/imap handles multiple aliases so you can track/monitor/disable it was something like $25 a month, including domain -- anyone remember thi

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Dan Wilder
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 02:27:29PM -0700, Patrick Morris wrote: > Dan Wilder wrote: > > >On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 11:54:07AM -0700, Patrick Morris wrote: > > > > > >>>I thought i read somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS > >>> > >>> > >>with a netapp filer with no > probs. > >>

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Patrick Morris
Dan Wilder wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 11:54:07AM -0700, Patrick Morris wrote: I thought i read somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS with a netapp filer with no > probs. I'm doing it -- no problems to report. With things writing to the same db from different hosts

Re: [SAtalk] 2.60 lock errors

2003-10-07 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:06:22PM -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: > What is the cause of this error: > Cannot open bayes databases /etc/mail/spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: lock failed: File > exists > And is there a solution? It means the lock failed. It's normal with autolearning since you may have mul

Re: [SAtalk] Good for 50%??

2003-10-07 Thread David M. Carney
Hi Daniel! You were so right about my ISP filtering my mail. I have a site I can go to to approve/disapprove mail to be forwarded to me. There were about 10 emails there - all from people posting to this group! I "loosened" the filters a notch or two! David On Mon, 06 Oct 2003, Daniel Quinlan

[SAtalk] 2.60 lock errors

2003-10-07 Thread Jeffrey Wheat
I haven't found a real answer in the archives... What is the cause of this error: Cannot open bayes databases /etc/mail/spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: lock failed: File exists And is there a solution? Thanks, Jeff --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://

[SAtalk] Re: Upgraded from 2.60beta to 2.60 final, now problems

2003-10-07 Thread Chris Barnes
Malte S. Stretz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmm... I didn't notice that warning about an "uninitialized value" > in the output you gave. That looks weird, like bug 2491 [2] which was > fixed for > 2.60-final. Done. bug report # is 2561. -- + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Dan Wilder
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 11:54:07AM -0700, Patrick Morris wrote: > > I thought i read somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS > with a netapp filer with no > probs. > > I'm doing it -- no problems to report. With things writing to the same db from different hosts? --

[SAtalk] spamass & spamass-milter logfile errors

2003-10-07 Thread Eric Sobalvarro
I'm fairly new to SA and I'm also fairly confused There's a couple of issues that I need help with, based on what I'm seeing in the logs. I think they're all related: 1. "Still running as root" 2. cannot write to ~/.spamassassin/bayes_journal 3. bayes expire_old_tokens: lock:490 cannot creat

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Patrick Morris
> I thought i read somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS with a netapp filer with no > probs. I'm doing it -- no problems to report. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf

Re: [SAtalk] Spam: The Screwfly Solution

2003-10-07 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 10/07/03 11:25 AM, SpamTalk sat at the `puter and typed: > > > -Original Message- > From: Fred I-IS.COM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >What we need is a Distributed fake replier > > Actually you just need to have the program spoof the origination > address and craft the IP packets/t

[SAtalk] Re[4]: Load configuration file

2003-10-07 Thread Christian Ista
Hello, > One way I can think of is if you use spamd/spamc, you can have > procmail figure out which domain the message is for. Create a > non-login user account, complete with home directory and a user_prefs > file, per domain. When you call spamc, use the -u parameter to cause > it to run the

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Stephane Lentz
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:55:52PM +0200, Frederic Goudal wrote: > > > >anybody sharing bayes over NFS, with any issues? > > Where could be the problem ? > >I thought i read > >somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS with a netapp filer > >with no probs. > > What is a netapp filer

RE: [SAtalk] whitelist not working...

2003-10-07 Thread Dan Tappin
I have not been able to resolve this one. I am still getting these messages identified as spam. spamc results in the same score from the logs and does not show the whitelist effecting the score at all. spamassassin --lint does not show any error messages and other wise SA is identifing tons of o

[SAtalk] Spamstats

2003-10-07 Thread Mike Carlson
When I run spamstats I dont get any output for message count. This is all I get: altair# /usr/local/bin/spamstats.pl -number=5 -file=/var/log/maillog.2.gz File /var/log/maillog.2.gz : from Oct 4 00:00:00 to Oct 5 00:00:00 Total number of emails processed by the spam filter : 0 Number of spams

Re: [SAtalk] Bayes problems and expiring

2003-10-07 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:43:01AM +0300, Kai Risku wrote: > debug: bayes: expiry check keep size, 75% of max: 112500 > debug: bayes: token count: 161438, final goal reduction size: 48938 > debug: bayes: First pass? Current: 1065075477, Last: 1065043573, atime: 0, > count: 0, newdelta: 0, ratio: 0

RE: [SAtalk] Spam: The Screwfly Solution

2003-10-07 Thread SpamTalk
-Original Message- From: Fred I-IS.COM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >What we need is a Distributed fake replier Actually you just need to have the program spoof the origination address and craft the IP packets/timing so that it does not need the response that do not show up. But again, we

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Frank Pineau
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 10:55, Frederic Goudal wrote: > >anybody want to put in their $.02 to bayes over NFS. > > I do, it works. Or maybe I don't see the problem. Among other things, NFS has been known to have file-locking issues. This can cause problems with multiple processes accessing the DB

Re: [SAtalk] Autolearn=no

2003-10-07 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:11 PM 10/7/03 +0200, Jim Knuth wrote: Hallo SA-List, why does it give permanently autolearn=no? This is an header from the sa-list. I think this must autolearn=ham --snip X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=3.5 tests=BAYES_00,DE_PLING_03, DE_PLING_04,MANY_EXCLAMATIONS,PLING_PLING

Re: [SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Frederic Goudal
>anybody sharing bayes over NFS, with any issues? Where could be the problem ? >I thought i read >somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS with a netapp filer >with no probs. What is a netapp filer ? >anybody want to put in their $.02 to bayes over NFS. I do, it works. Or maybe I

[SAtalk] Errorcode 74 from spamassassin?

2003-10-07 Thread Andrew M
When spamassissin gets invoked by procmail, I get the following in the procmail log file: . . procmail: Locking "/home/footoo/spamassassin.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/usr/local/perl/bin/spamassassin" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data failed procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data faile

[SAtalk] Autolearn=no

2003-10-07 Thread Jim Knuth
Hallo SA-List, why does it give permanently autolearn=no? This is an header from the sa-list. I think this must autolearn=ham --snip X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=3.5 tests=BAYES_00,DE_PLING_03, DE_PLING_04,MANY_EXCLAMATIONS,PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.60 --snap

[SAtalk] bayes over NFS

2003-10-07 Thread Adam Denenberg
anybody sharing bayes over NFS, with any issues? I thought i read somewhere that somebody was sharing bayes over NFS with a netapp filer with no probs. anybody want to put in their $.02 to bayes over NFS. I am running 2.6 FYI. thanks adam -

Re: [SAtalk] spamd grabbing LOOOOOOTs of memory

2003-10-07 Thread Matt Kettler
At 03:31 PM 10/7/03 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: Matt Kettler wrote on Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:16:04 -0400: > If you're using it, disable bayes and see what happens.. Bayes is a very > heavy memory consumer and could be a significant portion of the problem. > Disabling it will at least help clarify if i

Re: [SAtalk] Custom RBL Database

2003-10-07 Thread Matt Kettler
At 10:37 AM 10/7/03 -0400, Jennifer Fountain wrote: I am creating my own RBL (http://www.exit0.us/index.php/CustomRBLs) and need guidance on creating the actual db. Does anyone have a sample rbl db they can send me or direct me to a url? RBLs are served as DNS zones and not as ordinary databases..

Re: [SAtalk] Custom RBL Database

2003-10-07 Thread Frank Pineau
www.blackholes.us has ISC-BIND format zone files you can download. FP On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 09:37, Jennifer Fountain wrote: > I am creating my own RBL (http://www.exit0.us/index.php/CustomRBLs) and > need guidance on creating the actual db. Does anyone have a sample rbl > db they can send me or

Re: [SAtalk] Deleting mail detected as spam

2003-10-07 Thread Martin Schroeder
On 2003-10-07 16:23:36 +1300, Nick Jenkin wrote: > What would i need to stick in the user_prefs file, to delete all emails > detected as spam? RTFM: http://tinyurl.com/q0z7 Best regards Martin -- Martin Schröder, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ArtCom GmbH, Lise-Meitner-Str 5, 283

[SAtalk] Custom RBL Database

2003-10-07 Thread Jennifer Fountain
I am creating my own RBL (http://www.exit0.us/index.php/CustomRBLs) and need guidance on creating the actual db. Does anyone have a sample rbl db they can send me or direct me to a url? Thank you in advance Jennifer Fountain --- This sf.

Re: [SAtalk] Load configuration file

2003-10-07 Thread Matt Kettler
At 11:20 AM 10/7/03 +0200, Christian Ista wrote: Is it possible? how ? IS there an another way ? No, SA doesn't even reliably know who the recipient is, period. It doesn't see the message envelope, so it has to guess from the headers. It also doesn't support any direct kind of re-config. However

Re: [SAtalk] unable to exec qq

2003-10-07 Thread Eduardo Gargiulo
Chr. von Stuckrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 06:29:17PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: QMAILQUEUE="/usr/local/bin/spamassassin -P" export QMAILQUEUE ... but the messages are not delivered. The logs says "unable to exec qq". Is eem to remember, that the QMAILQUEUE-Variable do

Re: [SAtalk] Why SpamAssassin STOP FILTERING SPAM !!! HELP !!!

2003-10-07 Thread Matt Kettler
At 04:06 PM 10/7/03 +, O-Zone wrote: Hi all, here's my problem, AGAIN ! First, run spamassassin --lint If there are any complaints about your configuration files, fix them. Minor typos can cause bad side effects. If that doesn't help.. try running a message through SA with the debug output

RE: [SAtalk] 2.60 Problems

2003-10-07 Thread Jeffrey Wheat
Thanks for the help on this everyone. Jeff > -Original Message- > From: Adam Denenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:16 AM > To: Jeffrey Wheat > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] 2.60 Problems > > > under X-Spam-Level: i only see 6 stars, whi

[SAtalk] saProxy with Razor, DCC, etc. tests?

2003-10-07 Thread Robert Wornan
Anyone know if saProxy (Windows) has been made to work with any of the extended network tests (Razor, etc.)? It seems like combining the capabilities of saProxy, and something like SpamPal, which checks DNSBL lists, would be powerful tool. Bob ---

[SAtalk] Why SpamAssassin STOP FILTERING SPAM !!! HELP !!!

2003-10-07 Thread O-Zone
Hi all, here's my problem, AGAIN ! I've checked perms into /usr/share/spamassassin and are all owned by spamfilter user. This is my startup command: /usr/bin/spamd -a -C /etc/mail/spamassassin/ -d -u spamfilter -m 10 and this is an header of a SPAM mail NOT filtered: ===

Re: [SAtalk] spamd grabbing LOOOOOOTs of memory

2003-10-07 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Matt Kettler wrote on Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:16:04 -0400: > If you're using it, disable bayes and see what happens.. Bayes is a very > heavy memory consumer and could be a significant portion of the problem. > Disabling it will at least help clarify if it's bayes database size > related, or someth

Re: [SAtalk] Deleting mail detected as spam

2003-10-07 Thread Scott Rothgaber
Nick Jenkin wrote: What would i need to stick in the user_prefs file, to delete all emails detected as spam? I would not do this if I were you. What happens if a legitimate message gets deleted? Better to let the end-user make this call, IMHO. OTOH, you may consider deleting spams with scores o

Re: [SAtalk] Load configuration file

2003-10-07 Thread Jens Strohschnitter
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:20:19 +0200 (GMT+02:00) Christian Ista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello > > Is it possible in the configuration file : > /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf > > to know the receiver domain and load specific configuration (whitelist, blacklist, > ) > > Example : > [EMAIL

Re: [SAtalk] 2.60 Problems

2003-10-07 Thread Adam Denenberg
under X-Spam-Level: i only see 6 stars, which means the number was probably 6.99 something, and got rounded to 7 in the email, but didnt actually hit the required 7.0 adam On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 09:01, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: > I am seeing problems with 2.60 on a FreeBSD > server, using exim as my mt

Re: [SAtalk] 2.60 Problems

2003-10-07 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:01:29AM -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: > I am seeing problems with 2.60 on a FreeBSD > server, using exim as my mta. Emails are > being tagged as having the required hits > but are not being tagged as spam. Here is > a header. Help would be appreciated. FYI, I just added an

RE: [SAtalk] 2.60 Problems

2003-10-07 Thread Tom Meunier
6 asterisks indicates it's not quite 7.0. Probably 6.9something. You could add up the scores to verify if you really like, but that's what's happening. X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=7.0 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_10,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED

Re: [SAtalk] 2.60 Problems

2003-10-07 Thread Martin Schroeder
On 2003-10-07 09:01:29 -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: > I am seeing problems with 2.60 on a FreeBSD > server, using exim as my mta. Emails are > being tagged as having the required hits > but are not being tagged as spam. Here is > a header. Help would be appreciated. [...] > X-Spam-Level: ** >

[SAtalk] 2.60 Problems

2003-10-07 Thread Jeffrey Wheat
I am seeing problems with 2.60 on a FreeBSD server, using exim as my mta. Emails are being tagged as having the required hits but are not being tagged as spam. Here is a header. Help would be appreciated. Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0 Received: from squerkle.cetlink.net ([209.198.2.7

Re: [SAtalk] unable to exec qq

2003-10-07 Thread Chr. von Stuckrad
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 06:29:17PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: > QMAILQUEUE="/usr/local/bin/spamassassin -P" export QMAILQUEUE ... > but the messages are not delivered. The logs says "unable to exec qq". Is eem to remember, that the QMAILQUEUE-Variable does not contain a program's 'call' but ON

[SAtalk] Load configuration file

2003-10-07 Thread Christian Ista
Hello Is it possible in the configuration file : /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf to know the receiver domain and load specific configuration (whitelist, blacklist, ) Example : [EMAIL PROTECTED] send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (protected domain) I'd like to know the receiver domain (hello