[SAtalk] Re: Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 04:20:20PM -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: | > There are really only two ideal spam indicators: | > | > (1) Who sent it. | > (2) What proportion of the people who got it, didn't want it. (3) Is my copy unsolicited junk? | > Unfortunately there's no way to directly apply e

[SAtalk] AIs attacking our mailboxes IRL... [off-topic]

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
About harvesting not e-mail but real addresses in a damn clever, way too clever, way... http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/07/07/2150208.shtml?tid=133 > /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 [EMAIL P

Re: [SAtalk] Install problems

2002-07-07 Thread Harold Hallikainen
THANKS! It's working again! Harold Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > > > THANKS for the help. I think we're getting closer. First off, in step > > 3a, was I supposed to delete the word BEGIN at the beginning of the > > block I deleted? > > Yes. > > > I did.

Re: [SAdev] Idea: Flagging mass mail based on table of checksums(was: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?)

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 the voices made Malte S. Stretz write: > And you gave me another idea: SpamAssassin could track it's own table with > checksums of mails it saw. If it received one mail more than, let's say, > four times in three days then this mail is probably a mass mailing. This > makes most

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > > There are really only two ideal spam indicators: > > > > (1) Who sent it. > > (2) What proportion of the people who got it, didn't want it. > > > > Unfortunately there's no way to directly apply either of those criteria. > > Not true, and you just

Idea: Flagging mass mail based on table of checksums (was: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?)

2002-07-07 Thread Malte S. Stretz
On Sunday 07 July 2002 22:20 CET Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: >[...] > > For both the ISP I help at and also the company who pays my bills there > is a large amount of spam which is sent to a large number of people at > the same domain. Now I know SA has tests for "similar" email addresses > but IIRC

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 the voices made Bart Schaefer write: > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: > > > I guess you could [...] first "rewrite" the text, and then see if it's > > about selling and/or buying products and/or services. > > Except that "about selling and/or buying products and/o

Re: [SAtalk] Install problems

2002-07-07 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > THANKS for the help. I think we're getting closer. First off, in step > 3a, was I supposed to delete the word BEGIN at the beginning of the > block I deleted? Yes. > I did. Second, I'm still getting complaints. Here's the > latest entry from the p

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> There are really only two ideal spam indicators: > > (1) Who sent it. > (2) What proportion of the people who got it, didn't want it. > > Unfortunately there's no way to directly apply either of those criteria. Not true, and you just gave me an idea. For both the ISP I help at and also the com

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: > I guess you could [...] first "rewrite" the text, and then see if it's > about selling and/or buying products and/or services. Except that "about selling and/or buying products and/or services" is a poor definition of spam. There's plenty of non-sp

Re: [SAtalk] Install problems

2002-07-07 Thread Harold Hallikainen
THANKS for the help. I think we're getting closer. First off, in step 3a, was I supposed to delete the word BEGIN at the beginning of the block I deleted? I did. Second, I'm still getting complaints. Here's the latest entry from the procmail log: >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jul 7 12:32:43 2002

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 the voices made Andrew Kohlsmith write: > > That's "only" for scoring the humanmade rules; what he's talking about is > > more like letting the GA create both the rules and the scores. > > A neat trick but I haven't seen *any* genetic algorithm able to both ask the > questions

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> That's "only" for scoring the humanmade rules; what he's talking about is > more like letting the GA create both the rules and the scores. A neat trick but I haven't seen *any* genetic algorithm able to both ask the questions *and* find the answers. As a language tool something like that w

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 the voices made Andrew Kohlsmith write: > > Has anyone taken a huge spam database and sent it through some sort of > > genetic learning program to see if spam can be identified that way? > > Um.. yeah. http://www.spamassassin.org. You might be familliar with them. That's "o

[SAtalk] I'm back

2002-07-07 Thread Craig Hughes
Hello folks, I'm back and well rested after 2 weeks on tropical islands. Highly recommend both Petit St Vincent (http://www.psvresort.com) and Martinique to anyone wanting to get away for a while. Turns out that about a day after I left, one of my colleagues broke my server, with the result

Re: [SAtalk] rule testing against corpus

2002-07-07 Thread Tobias von Koch
Hi, On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:52:41 +0200 (CEST), Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: TLS> On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 the voices made Patrice Fournier write: TLS> TLS> > body LOCAL_LONG_WORD /[a-zA-Z]{90}/ TLS> > describe LOCAL_LONG_WORD LOCAL: Long random word in body (90 TLS> > chars+) scoreLOCAL_LONG_WO

Re: [SAtalk] Install problems

2002-07-07 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > Sorry about the resend... but I've seen no response as yet. Can anyone > help me with this? I'd really appreciate it! Perhaps I should just go > back to a previous version of SA, which seemed to work fine... The instructions in README are a bit out

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> Has anyone taken a huge spam database and sent it through some sort of > genetic learning program to see if spam can be identified that way? Um.. yeah. http://www.spamassassin.org. You might be familliar with them. Regards, Andrew --- Thi

Re: [SAtalk] Razor Reporting in SA

2002-07-07 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > Any thoughts from anyone that's run into this before running cvs2pl or > equivalent against a branched CVS tree? I haven't used cvs2cl myself for a while, but doesn't the following work? cvs2cl --file Changes --follow b2_3_0 The special tag "tr

Re: [SAtalk] Grammar Issue?

2002-07-07 Thread Craig Hughes
So the origin of the problem here is that Justin is Irish, and I grew up in the UK so my s/z o/ou etc. spelling plus my grammar is some weird half-assed mishmash of brit and american. C On Saturday, June 22, 2002, at 08:57 PM, Danita Zanre wrote: > Only if you're an American - and by the sp

Re: [SAtalk] Razor Reporting in SA

2002-07-07 Thread Craig Hughes
I noticed this problem at the time, but ignored it, cos I figured anyone who actually bothered reading the changelog would likely know what the deal was. But that was probably a bad assumption since our userbase has started growing so huge now. We should probably file a bugzilla ticket again

[SAtalk] Install problems

2002-07-07 Thread Harold Hallikainen
Sorry about the resend... but I've seen no response as yet. Can anyone help me with this? I'd really appreciate it! Perhaps I should just go back to a previous version of SA, which seemed to work fine... Thanks! HH =Previously Sent Message I've been using SA on my own accou

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Spamd stops logging connections after a while

2002-07-07 Thread Nicolas STRANSKY
Michael Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Aha... you need to modify your logrotate scripts to restart spamd. On > linux, there is a /etc/logrotate.d directory which contains rulesets > for each service & how to restart (kill -HUP, etc.) Ok, in fact that's what I have done : I've noticed th

[SAtalk] Spam Genetics?

2002-07-07 Thread Michael 'Moose' Dinn
Has anyone taken a huge spam database and sent it through some sort of genetic learning program to see if spam can be identified that way? More of a curiosity thing than anything else. -- Michael 'Moose' Dinn, Twisted Pair Network Consulting Incorporated [EMAIL PROTECTED] // 902 423 4700 (

Re: [SAtalk] rule testing against corpus

2002-07-07 Thread Patrice Fournier
Quoting "Tony L. Svanstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 the voices made Patrice Fournier write: > > > body LOCAL_LONG_WORD /[a-zA-Z]{90}/ > > describe LOCAL_LONG_WORD LOCAL: Long random word in body (90 > chars+) > > scoreLOCAL_LONG_WORD 4.8 > > Why 90? Wouldn't it

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Spamd stops logging connections after a while

2002-07-07 Thread Michael Breuer
Aha... you need to modify your logrotate scripts to restart spamd. On linux, there is a /etc/logrotate.d directory which contains rulesets for each service & how to restart (kill -HUP, etc.) Nicolas STRANSKY wrote: >hello, > >In fact, i've installed spamassassin 2.31 to see if it could solve

RE: [SAtalk] INVESTMENT ASSISTANCE

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 the voices made Michael Moncur write: > > Sitting here feeling foolish, I note that usually I can read. > > USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO should have been a tipoff. > > > > I put the list in WHITELIST_TO since so many of the messages > > discussing spam were getting filtered. Is there a

Re: [SAtalk] rule testing against corpus

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 the voices made Patrice Fournier write: > body LOCAL_LONG_WORD /[a-zA-Z]{90}/ > describe LOCAL_LONG_WORD LOCAL: Long random word in body (90 chars+) > scoreLOCAL_LONG_WORD 4.8 Why 90? Wouldn't it work better with 50 or 60, so that it catches ID-strings; or atlea

Re: [SAtalk] Interview with "Spam King" Scelson

2002-07-07 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 the voices made Ben Jackson write: > On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 04:24:38AM +0200, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: > > > > I've been hit by this too, and I can't help but think that these blacklists do > > more harm than good. Spammers will easily move on, but for the small non-tech > >

[SAtalk] Re: Spamd stops logging connections after a while

2002-07-07 Thread Nicolas STRANSKY
hello, In fact, i've installed spamassassin 2.31 to see if it could solve the problem and here is what i've noticed : spamassassin stops to log every day just after the logrotate has finished rotating the logs and that syslog-ng has been restarted. If I restart spamd, then it logs connections aga