Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Olivier Nicole
> Yes, that is why I'm thinking of creating this database -- we can see what > tests are consistently bad and modify/eliminate them. Just one thought, you have to be carefull of rules that change contents along the time, but kept the same name. Olivier __

[SAtalk] Out of Office AutoReply: [elektrosmog] Nordic Developer BriefingInvitation (fwd)

2002-05-17 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
I know it's GA-evolved, but isn't the score (2.741) for SUBJ_HAS_SPACES uncalled for when we're just talking about "linebreakingspaces", indenting the continued subject-line...? Message-ID: <4B68A8D2B880D311BCB70090278CBF6204742BEE@[removed]> From: [removed] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Out

Re: [SAtalk] rule/score goodness

2002-05-17 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Andrew Kohlsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On May 17, 2002 06:22 pm, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > > FROM_AND_TO_SAME - I mail myself notes > > Agreed, or sometimes I sent to myself when I have a BCC mailing Maybe FROM_AND_TO_SAME should not match if my_address is set (well, once it gets adde

Re: *****SPAM***** [SAtalk] rule/score goodness

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On May 17, 2002 06:22 pm, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > FROM_AND_TO_SAME - I mail myself notes Agreed, or sometimes I sent to myself when I have a BCC mailing > VERY_SUSP_RECIPS and VERY_SUSP_CC_RECIPS - people use large > internal To and Cc all the time This isn't just for internal stu

[SAtalk] Amavisd-new-20020517, the SpamAssassin edition

2002-05-17 Thread Mark Martinec
Something for your 'Where SpamAssassin Is Used' page Mark Announcing amavisd-new-20020517, the SpamAssassin edition = May 17, 2002 Available at: http://www.ijs.s

[SAtalk] Re: PostFix/Sendmail & user.prefs ...

2002-05-17 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > For instance, if you use postfix+content_filter being spamproxyd, the > message is passed to spamproxyd, but it doesn't have any knowledge of > the recipients themselves ... does it? I wouldn't advise the use of spamproxyd in a filtering context as

[SAtalk] rule/score goodness

2002-05-17 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Last night, I wrote a small perl script to gauge the "goodness" of each rule and its score. The intent is to identify rules that need to be re-examined. If a positively-scored rule matches a spam, it's goodness goes up by its score, but if it matches a non-spam, it's goodness goes down by its sc

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Chris Petersen
> > 0.01 * 10^34 = 10^32 times. at 1,000,000,000 tries per second, that > > will only take you 10^23 seconds = roughly the age of the universe. > > Not to mention the challenge of coming up with 10^32 unique intelligible > ways of talking about penis enlargement, multilevel marketing, and wild >

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Sidney Markowitz
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 14:32, Michael Stenner wrote: > Now, with odds of about 10^-34, if you decide you're going to try > enough hashes to give yourself a 1% CHANCE of finding one, you only > need to try > > 0.01 * 10^34 = 10^32 times. at 1,000,000,000 tries per second, that > will only take you

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Michael Stenner
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 04:15:34PM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > I would be extremely surprised if two people report different messages > that result in the same hash. Although completely possible, it's also > very very unlikely. Someone said on this list that razor uses SHA1 (which I know to

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Chris Petersen
> Subjects being slightly different shouldn't be a problem because you can do > soundex or "like" searches when you have the data set. good point. advanced comparisons like that would help a lot. > I was debating the reply-to and from but maybe it's best just ot use all of > them for now. Aw

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> "last" received? or "first"? (meaning to say, the oldest). anyway, > yeah, that's probably accurate enough. Subject should also be a good one, > except for the few spams that put your name (or what they think your name > is) into the subject. You could also check reply-to or mailer-agent (o

[SAtalk] Spamassassin, Qmail, Virtual Domain Hoohaw

2002-05-17 Thread ESP
Howdy. I'm a big fan of spamassassin, and I use it on my own domain, and I think it's just the cat's meow. However, I have a problem. I'm one of the editors of an online magazine called Pigdog Journal (see link below). We use an Internet presence provider that's good and cheap. They use qmail to

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Sidney Markowitz
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 12:03, Chris Petersen wrote: > > Offhand, how does Razor get false positives? I thought that it was MD5-based > > and the email had to be exact? > > it does. but md5 doesn't generate a unique id... there's no way that a > smallish number can be used to identify an infi

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Chris Petersen
> It's just an old habit. When I learned SQL I was taught (mostly from > the big SQL books) and of course the little black book of normalization, > _Handbook of Relational Database Design_ that table columns should try > to be unique yet understandable. ahh. I started db stuff with filemaker (a

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:11:26PM -0700, Chris Petersen wrote: > dunno. when I was exploring razor as a solution, I read a relatively > large number of complaints in their mailing list archive about false > positives (though "it's slow" seemed to be more of a concern to most > people) false

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Chris Petersen
> 1) Razor uses SHA1, not MD5. ah, noted. > 2) Either way, while you're correct (you _can_ have multiple inputs >with the same resulting hash), it's very unlikely to find two sets of >different data with the same hash output. So in reality, MD5/SHA1/etc >aren't unique, but they're u

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 12:03:24PM -0700, Chris Petersen wrote: > it does. but md5 doesn't generate a unique id... there's no way that a > smallish number can be used to identify an infinite number of possible > email combinations.. so while md5 can be used to check integrity of data > (si

[SAtalk] Sitewide Installation

2002-05-17 Thread Randy
Hi, I've recently installed SA on a redhat system. I have it running correctly on my test user account, and am trying to make it run for my entire network. I have the spamd running and also have this: :0fw | spamc in my /etc/procmailrc file Our users don't have their own user folders so i ca

[SAtalk] Performance question

2002-05-17 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have noticed that sometimes my mail box which runs Exim along with spamd/spamc that it's resources goes through the sky. I have limited the effect by telling exim to queue mail after a load factor of 5. I have a spare 486 which is not connected to

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> heh, it all looks good to me. I think I'm just not quite sure what you're > up to (that, and understores in field names confuse me for some reason ;). It's just an old habit. When I learned SQL I was taught (mostly from the big SQL books) and of course the little black book of normalization,

Re: [SAtalk] Klez virus (and Snowhite), yet again

2002-05-17 Thread dman
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 11:44:30AM -0700, Michael C. Berch wrote: | Just in the last week, the number of messages with what I assume to be | the Klez virus or a variant has exploded, at least for me. Since we | have no Windows machines I don't pay a lot of attention to email viruses | and othe

Re: [SAtalk] Klez virus (and Snowhite), yet again

2002-05-17 Thread William Porquet
Dear Michael, This is the /etc/procmailrc file I use to take out spam and virus attachments... -- :0fw | /usr/bin/spamassassin -P -c /usr/local/share/spamassassin/ :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes /var/spool/mail/spam :0 HB: * ^Content-Type:.*(application|audio|multipart) * name=.*\.(bat|exe|pif|vbs

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Chris Petersen
> Now I really want to do this. I'll see what I'm up to this weekend. :-) heh, it all looks good to me. I think I'm just not quite sure what you're up to (that, and understores in field names confuse me for some reason ;). > What really can you track with this besides scoring and the correla

[SAtalk] Re: Klez virus (and Snowhite), yet again

2002-05-17 Thread Shane Williams
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Michael C. Berch wrote: > [ How annoying klez is for non-MS users] > > Has anyone written a local rule for this? I have just now started > looking at the messages closely, and the key part seems to be an > attachment of type audio/x-wav, with a filename of *.(?:pif|scr|exe

[SAtalk] Klez virus (and Snowhite), yet again

2002-05-17 Thread Michael C. Berch
Just in the last week, the number of messages with what I assume to be the Klez virus or a variant has exploded, at least for me. Since we have no Windows machines I don't pay a lot of attention to email viruses and other malware, but I'm getting 20+ a day, all different insofar as From and

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> wouldn't it be easier to integrate this into spamd? You'd already have > your db client set up that way. You're absolutely correct. duh on my part. :-) > Sounds like you've got it right.. You'd need two tables, something like: > > Create Table messages ( > m_id bigint primary key

Re: [SAtalk] BUG: messages which score exactly on the threshold not marked as spam

2002-05-17 Thread Michael C. Berch
On Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:55 AM, David Cantrell wrote: > I just spotted something odd in my mailbox: > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.0 required=5.0 > > This is with version 2.01, but I don't recall seeing anything on the > lists > about this, so perhaps it is still affecting the current ver

[SAtalk] PostFix/Sendmail & user.prefs ...

2002-05-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
How are ppl doing this? For instance, if you use postfix+content_filter being spamproxyd, the message is passed to spamproxyd, but it doesn't have any knowledge of the recipients themselves ... does it? If it doesn't, then how are ppl making use of the per-user preferences? _

Re: [SAtalk] way was this rejected??

2002-05-17 Thread Sidney Markowitz
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 10:07, Debbie Doerrlamm wrote: > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Connected to 216.40.216.155 but sender was rejected. > Remote host s

Re: [SAtalk] Spam Tracking

2002-05-17 Thread Chris Petersen
> One thing I want to do is write a little C program that connects to Postgres > (or Perl but with a C client just like spamc/d) and reports on the tests that > *all* messages score on. wouldn't it be easier to integrate this into spamd? You'd already have your db client set up that way. > F

[SAtalk] way was this rejected??

2002-05-17 Thread Debbie Doerrlamm
One of my hosting clients sent himself a mail today.. no subject line and a PDF attachment - which was evidently attached INLINE, sent from his worldnet acct to his domain address and it was completely rejected due to spam. I placed in the server's white list all the domains on the box like so:

[SAtalk] whitelist versus -S

2002-05-17 Thread Justin Robinson
hi all - any idea how I can make the whitelist process BEFORE any other rules, so that I can continue to use the -S option to speed up performance on most inbound email?        Thanks   Justin  

Re: [SAtalk] Problem - 'From' becomes 'rom'

2002-05-17 Thread David T-G
Philipp -- ...and then Philipp Grau said... % % Hello, Hi! % % I have a problem with SA 2.21, sometimes an e-mail enters my mailbox that % has a broken From line, 'From' gets 'rom'. Mails with broken From are % sometimes mails that bypath my procmail because of the real- prefix and Are you

[SAtalk] Problem - 'From' becomes 'rom'

2002-05-17 Thread Philipp Grau
Hello, I have a problem with SA 2.21, sometimes an e-mail enters my mailbox that has a broken From line, 'From' gets 'rom'. Mails with broken From are sometimes mails that bypath my procmail because of the real- prefix and sometimes they should have gone through procmail/spamassassin but were not

Re: [SAtalk] Install Directory

2002-05-17 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Bart Schaefer wrote: > perl -MCPAN -e shell > o conf makepl_arg "LOCAL_RULES_DIR=/usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin" Oops, sorry, that's a typo -- should be "make_arg" not "makepl_arg". ___ Have big pipes? SourceF

Re: [SAtalk] Install Directory

2002-05-17 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Martin Jermyn wrote: > Is there a way to change the installation directory, I need to install > under /usr/local/etc/mail rather than /etc/mail perl -MCPAN -e shell o conf makepl_arg "LOCAL_RULES_DIR=/usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin" If you already have any makepl_arg conf

[SAtalk] Offer888 email

2002-05-17 Thread Ken Causey
I've been getting quite a few of these messages that seem to consistently refer to offer888, and there's not much content here to work with, so I added the following to my local.cf: body OFFER888 /offer888/i describe OFFER888 UCE from Offer888.net score OFFER888 2.5 The

RE: [SAtalk] Spamassassin PHP / MYSql Frontend

2002-05-17 Thread Dallas Engelken
> Hi > > I have been running Spamassassin now for 2 months and are > extremely happy > with it. However, I run mail account for family and friend > and am sick and > get sick and tired of adding whitelist and blacklist entries for them. > > So I though I would run Spamassassin with MySql and

Re: [SAtalk] SA config based on recipient domain (spamd/spamc)

2002-05-17 Thread Mark Lowes
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 14:30, Rick Macdougall wrote: >> From: "Mark Lowes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I'm trying to get SA working here and want to try and get configuration >> on a per domain rather than a per-user basis. Has anyone else had >> experience in achieving this or am I striking out on my

[SAtalk] Spamassassin PHP / MYSql Frontend

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Stephen
Hi I have been running Spamassassin now for 2 months and are extremely happy with it. However, I run mail account for family and friend and am sick and get sick and tired of adding whitelist and blacklist entries for them. So I though I would run Spamassassin with MySql and the PHP front-end. S

Re: [SAtalk] SA config based on recipient domain (spamd/spamc)

2002-05-17 Thread Rick Macdougall
Hi, For what smtp daemon and system are you trying to do this for? Regards, Rick - Original Message - From: "Mark Lowes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "SATalk List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: [SAtalk] SA config based on recipient domain (spamd/spamc) M

Re: [SAtalk] Speed/Performance Issue

2002-05-17 Thread Matt Sergeant
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: >>2. Use an external mail class to parse your email and split out just the >>text and html parts to pass to SpamAssassin. A huge part of the load on >>SA is in doing nasty slow regexps across the "rawbody" tests when the >>email contains large MIME attachments. > > > Do y

Re: [SAtalk] Undisclosed.Recipients@

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> Also, if you guys ever need any help, I'd love to lend a hand. I've been > curious about writing a spam reporting system, and it might make a great > plugin for spamassassin (then again, I've had nothing but trouble when > trying to analyze message headers to figure out how to detect forged > h

Re: [SAtalk] Speed/Performance Issue

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> 2. Use an external mail class to parse your email and split out just the > text and html parts to pass to SpamAssassin. A huge part of the load on > SA is in doing nasty slow regexps across the "rawbody" tests when the > email contains large MIME attachments. Do you have a document giving an ex

Re: [SAtalk] Weird false negative...

2002-05-17 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> If it's yanked out, all I ask is that the upgrade docs make this clear > so that I can put some of 'em back in my local site-wide whitelist. I would humbly suggest BIG FLASHY LETTERS explaining this -- it is a very important point. Regards, Andrew

[SAtalk] Install Directory

2002-05-17 Thread Martin Jermyn
Hi Using the CPAN install directive: perl -MCPAN -e shell o conf prerequisites_policy ask install Mail::SpamAssassin quit Is there a way to change the installation directory, I need to install under /usr/local/etc/mail rather than /etc/mail Any ideas? - thanks Ma

[SAtalk] BUG: messages which score exactly on the threshold not marked as spam

2002-05-17 Thread David Cantrell
I just spotted something odd in my mailbox: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.0 required=5.0 This is with version 2.01, but I don't recall seeing anything on the lists about this, so perhaps it is still affecting the current version. -- Grand Inquisitor Reverend David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.or

Re: [SAtalk] Speed/Performance Issue

2002-05-17 Thread Matt Sergeant
Justin Robinson wrote: > Hi all, I just barely subscribed to the list and I have a question... > > > We did a bit of an experiment in using SpamAssassin over the past month > and just disabled it last night. We have roughly 9000 email accounts on > our server and we mass-enabled spam assass

[SAtalk] SA config based on recipient domain (spamd/spamc)

2002-05-17 Thread Mark Lowes
Morning, I'm trying to get SA working here and want to try and get configuration on a per domain rather than a per-user basis. Has anyone else had experience in achieving this or am I striking out on my own here? thanks Mark -- The Flying Hamster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.