Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-05 Thread kcrisman
Thanks for passing Greg's evaluation of this on - that sounds about right. (sage-edu, see https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/x3h4m3LjWkI/gKfpnAijS5UJ ) I do think that more books is a real "selling" point. Remember how you were contacted about the Use-Sage series... I will again be r

Fwd: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-05 Thread William Stein
#x27;s "Calcul mathématique avec Sage"? This > came up in a discussion on sage-devel about translation. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bruno Grenet > Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:09 AM > Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica &

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-04 Thread Kannappan Sampath
Hello everybody: On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > Hello ! > > > That's right. Do you (or any of the authors of this book...) know whether > > an English/German/Spanish/... translation or a similar project in another > > language is planned? That could be a good way to show

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-03 Thread mmarco
I am not sure if it is also available in the M's, or if they have some other system to guide the user to the functions he wants to use, but for me, tab-completion is a great feature in Sage. El martes, 2 de diciembre de 2014 22:43:34 UTC+1, maldun escribió: > > The emphasis lies on 'trying' Con

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-03 Thread Eric Gourgoulhon
Hi Le mardi 2 décembre 2014 22:43:34 UTC+1, maldun a écrit : > >1. Python: One could always argue about the language itself, but in >contrast to the others Sage uses a general purpose language. So it easy to >combine Sage with other programs (Ever build standalone Programs with the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-02 Thread Harald Schilly
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:43 PM, maldun wrote: > Has someone more examples why he/she uses Sage instead of one of the 4Ms? in such a list, vendor lock-in is also a good point. imagine mathworks closes its doors … -- harald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-02 Thread maldun
The emphasis lies on 'trying' Concerning image processing and control theory matlab is prefered by most with good reason (for reference: I come from these areas) Since numpy/scipy/matplotlib is on board with Sage, it can easily challenge Mathematica in these areas, since the scipy packages can c

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-02 Thread mmarco
That is great!. Where are those plugins available? On a slightly unrelated subject, i could be interested in some way to automatically convert sage worksheets into wiki pages. El martes, 2 de diciembre de 2014 03:04:53 UTC+1, jason escribió: > > On 12/1/14, 6:00, mmarco wrote: > > > P.S. 2: Is

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Jason Grout
On 12/1/14, 6:00, mmarco wrote: P.S. 2: Is there some easy way to embed sagecell code in a wiki? Yes, we have plugins for MoinMoin, Dokuwiki, and Drupal. See the interact pages at http://wiki.sagemath.org/interact/ for examples of how to do this on the Sage wiki. Jason -- You received

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
Le lundi 1 décembre 2014 21:23:55 UTC+1, vdelecroix a écrit : > > It is open source document... so the sources are on the web (and > advertised on the main webpage http://sagebook.gforge.inria.fr/) > > http://dl.lateralis.org/public/sagebook/sagebook-1.0.tar.bz2 > I was aware of this one : it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Vincent Delecroix
It is open source document... so the sources are on the web (and advertised on the main webpage http://sagebook.gforge.inria.fr/) http://dl.lateralis.org/public/sagebook/sagebook-1.0.tar.bz2 Vincent 2014-12-01 17:48 UTC+01:00, Nathann Cohen : > Okay this does not seem like it will be settled in

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Nathann Cohen
Okay this does not seem like it will be settled in two mails, so let's do this off the mailing list Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello Paul ! > I grab this occasion to suggest to Paul Zimmerman and his crew to (try to) > create an epub version of their marvelous book : reading a pdf on a small > tablet or a phone is *not* fun... If I knew where to find the *LaTeX* source > of this book (converting a PDF isn't worth the work

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
Le lundi 1 décembre 2014 15:09:53 UTC+1, Bruno Grenet a écrit : > > > Le 01/12/2014 08:53, Nathann Cohen a écrit : > > Kanappan wanted to work on an english translation at some point, but > > there was no news since and he work in Canada nowadays. Not sure that > > he has a lot of time for tha

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Bruno Grenet
Le 01/12/2014 08:53, Nathann Cohen a écrit : Kanappan wanted to work on an english translation at some point, but there was no news since and he work in Canada nowadays. Not sure that he has a lot of time for that. I guess the number of available books on Maple and Mathematica is a reason for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Harald Schilly
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:00 PM, mmarco wrote: > There are some european laws against comparative advertising. I assume this does only apply for actual advertising. Nobody is going to show those comparisons on TV ;-) > P.S. 2: Is there some easy way to embed sagecell code in a wiki? I think so,

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread mmarco
Going to concrete proposals, i would create a wiki page where people could start writing small comparisons that they know in concrete cases. Maybe when we have enough of such material it would be easier to write a nice marketing document. P.S. I am not sure if such kind of marketing would be le

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-12-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Dec 2014 05:48, "William Stein" wrote: > Mathematica has weak coverage across much of mathematics related to > algebraic geometry, arithmetic geometry, number theory and group > theory. > In particular, as a specialist in computational number theory, I find > the functionality in mathematica

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello ! > That's right. Do you (or any of the authors of this book...) know whether > an English/German/Spanish/... translation or a similar project in another > language is planned? That could be a good way to show teachers that Sage is > well-suited for classes. Kanappan wanted to work on an en

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Bruno Grenet
2014-12-01 7:44 GMT+01:00 William Stein : > Paul Zimmerman did a huge amount in that direction with the French > book he edited on Sage for undergrad teaching (which was a huge > project). > That's right. Do you (or any of the authors of this book...) know whether an English/German/Spanish/... tr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Nathann Cohen
Yo ! > :-) You're right -- I guess after 10 years, I'm starting to seriously lose my > patience. I believe that we should be allowed to lose our patience after 10 years. 6 months seems to be a lot already. > Gregory Bard did a lot this year in that direction though, with his book. > > > Paul Zim

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Nathann Cohen wrote: > "1) Be friendly and patient." (sorry can't resist) :-) You're right -- I guess after 10 years, I'm starting to seriously lose my patience. > I would say that most of us are only using Sage for research, and that > we are not the kind of d

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Jori Mantysalo
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Nathann Cohen wrote: How would you attract teachers here ? How would you convince them that Sage is THE tool for teaching ? (no mention of research) 1) Whole error reporting should be changed. "1+2+" and "(1+(2+3)" should give meaningful (and different) error message like

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello ! > Do any of you care? Are you doing anything that will make Sage get > any closer to its mission statement? "1) Be friendly and patient." (sorry can't resist) I would say that most of us are only using Sage for research, and that we are not the kind of developpers who will fulfull your

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:13 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:03:39 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM, rjf wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: See this interesting document: >>>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread rjf
On Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:03:39 PM UTC-8, William wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM, rjf > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >>> >>> See this interesting document: >>> >>>http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/compare/ >>>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 27 Nov 2014 20:51, "maldun" wrote: > I personally a comparison of sage with the other Systems is quite hard, since all of the other 4Ms concentrate more or less > on particular fields of mathematic (e.g. Matlab focus on numerics, Mathematica more on Calculus etc.) > Sage is far from perfect bu

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:14 PM, rjf wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >> >> See this interesting document: >> >>http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/compare/ >> HowMapleComparestoMathematica.pdf >> >> Thanks for pointing it out. For a marketing d

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-30 Thread rjf
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:35:21 PM UTC-8, William wrote: > > See this interesting document: > > > http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/compare/HowMapleComparestoMathematica.pdf > > > Thanks for pointing it out. For a marketing document it is not too bad, but it is still a market

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-27 Thread maldun
One of the most important differences between Sage and Mathematica, is that no one of the developers has such a big ego than Stephen Wolfram. It even got it's own music theme: https://mollyrocket.com/11235 And we all know that Python will never decipher the universe like the Wolfram language wi

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-21 Thread Jason Grout
The ith element of a list is M[[i]]. An expression ending in & is a lambda function, with # being the first parameter. f /@ B is equivalent to map(f, B) (f is applied to each element of B). If[# == 0, 0, 1] is equivalent to lambda x: x==0 ? 0 : 1 So to me, it looks like: m2 = [m[2][i] for

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-21 Thread Simon King
Hi Jean, On 2014-11-21, Jean Bétréma wrote: > Sure this answer by Sage is less cryptic: > > sage: p=Permutation([4,1,2,5,3]) > sage: type(p) > 'sage.combinat.permutation.StandardPermutations_all_with_category.element_class'> > > but it prevents me (and perhaps others) to do any development in suc

[sage-devel] Re: Maple versus Mathematica

2014-11-18 Thread Harald Schilly
Writing such a comparison for all 4 packages sounds like a huge task, but it could really pay off. Your episode does ring a bell, it reminds me of the MS-RSL license. This is maybe the same case and is only there to help you to make your code compatible with their product,that's all. http://ref