Georgi,
Also, you can browse all of the currently 5006 open "plans" for Sage here:
https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues
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>
> On 3 January 2025 03:00:20 GMT-05:00, Georgi Guninski
> wrote:
> >I
the "Send files to emulator" button off
to the right. You can save the exact
state of the VM though (at the top) to avoid loss of work.
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> Without that, eclib will not get any 32-bit testing, unfortunately.
>
> John
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age produced things that
are useful, a lot of projects wouldn't touch them due to the GPLv3
license. (Networkx used to be GPL licensed and they somehow managed to
relicense as BSD.) Michael Orlitzky dismissed my comments about
licensing in this thread, and I really wish he were
ver a similar part of sage, just because of the license. I
don't think there is anything to be done about this. It's just something
to be aware of, which will forever significantly limit the impact of Sage
on the broader Python ecosystem.
- William
On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 6:26 AM Mar
I had stopped reading the Sage mailing lists due to drama, and am now
re-enabling my subscriptions.
Thank you,
William
On Friday, October 4, 2024 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-7 vdelecroix wrote:
> It is a very sad news that such measure had to be taken. I fully trust
> the committee in its de
to contribute to the
testing and maintenance of these packages.
Thank you for your time and all the work you put into SageMath.
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Thanks Dima for mentioning CoWasm. Unfortunately, I ran out of resources
to work on cowasm, so there likely
won't be any further work on it until things change.
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> It's interesting to compare this with the d
With switching to Miniforge it is now working for me extremely well. I’m
going to be making a new video and tutorial about this soon. Thanks for
all you do Isuru!
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 9:11 AM Isuru Fernando wrote:
> Hi William,
>
> Let me know if you have any
help guide
whoever takes over.
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On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:44 AM Vincent Delecroix <
20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I used to be the maintainer of cypari2, pari-jupyter and pplpy. I will
> not work anymore on any of them from now on. The three pr
..
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:31 PM William Stein wrote:
> I was just carefully reading the page about Mambaforge linked to from
> Sage, i.e., this page
>
> https://github.com/conda-forge/miniforge
>
> and it says that Mambaforge is deprecated and no longer recommended, and
> instead
-$(uname)-$(uname
-m).sh
sh Miniforge3-$(uname)-$(uname -m).sh -b -u -p /conda
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On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:05 PM William Stein wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So I was using MicroMamba, whereas that page says Sage only
> supports Mambaforge, Miniforge, Miniconda or Anaconda.I tried w
x27;s easy to switch Python versions. So I'll switch from using
MicroMamba to Mambaforge. Problem solved.
William
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:47 PM William Stein wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Matthias Koeppe
> wrote:
>
>> William, do the instructions in
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Matthias Koeppe
wrote:
> William, do the instructions in our Installation Guide work for you?
>
> https://deploy-livedoc--sagemath.netlify.app/html/en/installation/conda#install-from-conda-forge
>
>
> Note in particular this step: "Cha
--
NameError Traceback (most recent call last)
Cell In[1], line 1
> 1 factor(Integer(2024))
NameError: name 'factor' is not defined
sage:
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I remember they added some type
inference optimizations, and generally greatly improved the unit testing.
I've cc'd Robert and Craig in case they want to add anything.
Sage has always been I think by far the biggest Cython user, and testing of
Cython by Sage helps ensure better stability and
Hi,
Related to NumFOCUS, this new proposal for Jupyter to restructure their
relationship with NumFocus is possibly relevant:
https://jupyter.org/governance/linux-proposal.html
William
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eate a plot with a large y-axis
range, the labels on the y axis are
mathematically incorrect, which is confusing to our largest group of users
(beginners).
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>
> Eric.
>
> Le mercredi 28 février 2024 à 07:45:03 UTC+1, Kwankyu Lee a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>&
I ran the following code in SageMath 10.2:
sage: K. = QuadraticField(2)
sage: E = EllipticCurve([0, 60/49*a - 135/49, 0, -576/343*a + 904/343, 0]);
E
Elliptic Curve defined by y^2 = x^3 + (60/49*a-135/49)*x^2 +
(-576/343*a+904/343)*x over Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^2
- 2 with
(Also, thanks everyone for so far taking extra effort to be civil when
discussing the topic of vendored
dependencies, which I know touches a nerve for people.)
On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 4:36 PM William Stein wrote:
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> Hi Dima,
>
> I believe I'm the person who introduced that lon
same package in
the sage source
distro is being scanned.
I hope you do bring this to a vote, and feel free to copy my above statement of
support.
I also strongly agree with Matthias that a vote about pip
installability may be considered
separately from a vote to add these testing packages.
-
itive experience for everyone participating in Sage
development.
Best regards,
Volker Braun and William Stein
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On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 2:01 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote:
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> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:30 PM William Stein wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Last time I benchmarked things, luatex was sometimes the slowest of
> > the three major latex compilers, sometimes by
, performance could matter.
I had nothing to do with them making xelatex the default, and I think
Lua and Luatex are beautiful pieces of software.
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On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:22 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
> Hi Doris,
> It just has been turned to use lualatex
>
> HTH
> Dima
t;>> Then the voting period starts when the three labels are added.
>>>
>>> I suggest to end the voting when a week has passed after the last vote
>>> was casted.
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Again, as the person who added it to Sage in the first place: deprecate.
William
On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 4:02 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote:
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> deprecate!
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 10:47 PM John H Palmieri
> wrote:
> >
> > I asked this already but with a different sub
ary is https://github.com/rapidsai/cugraph
which is a reimplementation of networkx on top of CUDA. Presumably,
with an appropriate GPU, it provides massive speedups over networkx.
I haven't tried it out yet, but I plan to.
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On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 5:52 AM Jing Guo wrote:
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simple
index on the words, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread. I hope the
group that massively improved code search will do the same for issue
search.
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les in a way that works without
the preparser).
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> Okay, so maybe we should open this to other options: should we get rid of
> preparsing "\" into "BackslashOperator"?
>
> For what it's wort
a project.But honestly I don't
think anybody really knows what the prize will be until
the committee sees actual self nominations, and discusses them at length --
it's the first year after all. Anyway, check it out
if you're interested, and also forward this to anybody else who migh
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 2:56 AM Nils Bruin wrote:
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> On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 20:41:51 UTC+2 William Stein wrote:
>
> The point is that instead of using GPT's vague memory of what it might
> have seen, this instead uses the actual Sage source code, and mainly
> uses
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Subject: Thank you for signing up and Welcome Wolfia!
To:
Hey William,
Thanks for signing up and requesting us to index -
https://github.com/sagemath/sage
This is now available here -
https://wolfi
ion of your docs is as easy as
having a separate branch or tag in your version control system."
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 3:33 PM Dima Pasechnik wrote:
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> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:46 PM Marc Culler wrote:
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> > During our recent release of SnapPy we ran acr
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> >
> > (5) provide a WebAssembly option
> >
> > WebAssembly is typically about half the speed as native code (at best),
> but
> > it is high
supports are listed here:
https://github.com/wasmerio/wasmer-python#supported-platforms
Incidentally, building Pari to WebAssembly is officially supported and
regularly tested by Bill Allombert. Here's his demo:
https://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/gpexpwasm.html
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> Hi William,
>That is interesting. Although my take on that is following Matthias's
> proposal, they will just use one (or more) part of Sage as a Python library.
> So if they switch
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I did explain how it
is possible to use normal Python and import sage via "from sage.all
import ...". However, properly supporting using Sage from Python like
any other Python citizen would be even better, and that's something
that would result from the project Matthias is spearhead
;re implementing a
multi-modular algorithm. I don't know what your application is though.
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carburetor, etc.), and it's good engineering to put a lot of effort into
properly building those components. I'm absolutely blown away and
thrilled Sage is still around after almost 20 years, and that you guys are
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> Once again, I think we should close ranks with the rest of scientific python
> people and start following NEP 29.
> We have much more urgent stuff to work on - buggy Pynac, buggy Singular
> inte
as? It's a debate. It's the sort of heated discussion about
NEP 29 that I wish I could read, but (maybe) I can't because some
"powers that be" just decided on NEP 29 in private (which is their
right of course as volunteers and open source maintainers).
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> Thanks, Tobias, for opening this vote thread. Here on sage-devel, this is a
> much better se
I have encountered the problem that when I try running
bdFrames.gif(delay=5,savefile='myFilename',use_ffmpeg=True)
the following error message is produced:
CalledProcessError: Command 'cd
"/var/folders/v8/ksjcxlh9775658j_hrwqvlj8gq/T/tmpzm1odw2y/dir_ivudixzd/";
ffmpeg -nostdin -y -f image2
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> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:49:50 AM UTC-7 William Stein wrote:
>
> To what extent does or could Conda with a little more work solve most
> of these problems? [...]
> I also think this section
> https://doc
Isuru,
Thanks for answering all my questions. I just want to reiterate that
I'm thrilled with what you are doing and greatly appreciate it!
William
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:07 AM Isuru Fernando wrote:
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> > it fails with "└─ sage is uninstallable because there are no
the same Ubuntu system, all at once, and have them
not get screwed up when we do normal system updates. Doing major
Ubuntu version updates (e.g., 20.04 --> 22.04) doesn't have to be
supported.
My impression is that conda potentially solves this problem at least
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> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
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> > This discussion happened
, and for that
I added several of the preparser features in the "from future import
..." style of Python.
https://github.com/sagemathinc/cowasm/blob/main/python/pylang/README.md#math-extensions-like-the-sage-preparser
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n creating derived works. If the output of an
LLM is a derived work (and not just some fair use of that input), then
there is legally nothing particularly special about GPL in the context
of training LLM's. That I think successfully undercuts my point in
starting this thread.
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al software, our academic community's
choice of license could explain why LLM's output code that's much more
like Sympy (say) than SageMath's, and perhaps why LLM's are not as
good at using Sage.
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P.S.In case anybody is curious, Sage was originally GPL'd beca
On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 7:35 PM aw wrote:
> [...] You and your people have a *very strong* tendency to nitpick details
> instead of staying focused on the big picture.
You're right, respecting details is indeed a very strong
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On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 5:15 PM aw wrote:
> In high-precision environments like RealField(1000), Sage should *definitely*
> use the math semantics, because physics people, or engineers, or any other
> applied type folks, have zero use for 1000 bits of precision in anything that
> they do.
Sear
On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 9:11 PM Nils Bruin wrote:
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> It's certainly reasonable to not call a floating point field "RealField".
> C and python don't even do that: they call such elements floats. I'm less
> sure whether such a RealFloats field should be any less prominent than it
> is now. Plus th
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> On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 18:20 -0400, David Roe wrote:
> > I agree with William that you should refrain from insulting the Sage
> > developers, especially when the underlying problem comes from your
> > misunder
essionals. But giving users junk answers makes Sage look bush-league.
>
> The MPFR devs would never allow their library to give a junk answer.
>
> Wolfram would never allow Mathematica or Alpha to give a junk answer.
>
> Why the heck are the Sage devs allowing Sage to give junk a
om Trac to GitHub for
the preliminary version of the workflow."
It seems like that banne could be updated a bit, now that it is April.
I do realize that there's still a lot being hashed out about the exact
workflow...
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> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, 18:57 Matthias Koeppe, wrote:
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>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:29:32 AM UTC-7 William Stein wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that these days there are three
>&g
ckage.
Probably rpy2 should be completely removed from sage, and people
should pip install it instead. However, instructions to do that could
be provided if anybody touches the "r." interface...
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I had a positive impression, since there's a lot of activity, with
questions clearly marked "answered", etc.
So thanks for sharing how painful that can be from the dev side.
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discussions by other projects:
- Next js (a react framework) uses it very heavily --
https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions
- CoCalc -- we use it a bit: https://github.com/sagemathinc/cocalc/discussions
Thoughts?
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 8:45 AM John H Palmieri wrote:
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> There is nothing in our department's bylaws to provide for a delay of voting,
> but we have a chair and we have an executive committee, and the hope is that
> they care not only about the particular issue
ion until October 1, and several
> people (William and Dima) have made arguments for making a decision more
> quickly." I find this rather dismissive of the views of those who requested a
> more deliberate process. It would be good to have a procedure for determining
> timing for vot
> several developers asked for delays
The only governance mechanism we have for decision making in the Sage
project currently is a vote of the entire dev community. Thus there
is no way to consider your request to delay voting aside from having
even more voting.
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nitely,
and would provide a read-only copy of all the pages on trac.We
could also automatically edit each static page to have a clear banner
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GitHub issue.
I'm not volunteering to do that. I'm just saying it is t
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ort Sage, but I don't think he's contributed code to the library
-- at least I didn't find him in Dima's list from GitHub.
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> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 5:42 PM David Roe wrote:
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> > When I did
troversial topic (but
> > please let's not revisit past controversies): So I'll withdraw my 2/3
> > proposal, but suggest we do keep sage-devel as the criterion.
> > https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/dR3_eyIUyac/m/LyALpiLcHuQJ
> > Quoting from William
or example,
Harald Schilly has been the webmaster of Sage since 2007 and likely
cares about this switch since it can impact him, but I don't think he
reads sage-devel.
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> Given that we've had far more interest in Github th
hon's. For
comparison,
as of today there are 60,730 Python issues and 34,557 sagetrac issues,
so the size
of the relevant data sets is comparable. So to anybody who are
working on this
herculean effort, my hat is off to you.
William
On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 12:51 AM Marc Mezzaro
a lot of natural frequent questions
(involving users, issue comments, labels, etc.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOXuOg9tQI
In my experience, the search built into GitHub is at least 10x (or
maybe 100x?) faster than our trac search, e.g., try searching
https://trac.sagemath.org/search versus
https:
appreciative that the sage devs such as Dima are taking
the very real problems of Sage's
dev infrastructure so very seriously right now.
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We took quick notes from the discussion during the short meeting here
- https://cocalc.com/wstein/sagedev/2022-09-15
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:19 AM William Stein wrote:
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> I've also created an agenda file here:
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please create a meeting and
> post the details here?
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> Matthias
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> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:16:42 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
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>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 3:54 PM William Stein wrote:
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>> > Reminder -- that 30 minute Sage zoom mee
Matthias just wrote that he is having technical troubles with zoom.
Here's where we will have the meeting instead:
https://meet.jit.si/d8a744b413e339d95fba907b81fb249609520161
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:16 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 3:54 PM William S
Reminder -- that 30 minute Sage zoom meeting thing that Matthias
organized is happening in a few minutes from right now at
https://ucdavis.zoom.us/j/92371662861?pwd=TDZKR0lKb2xzTGhiM0l3cnFmaGRadz09
(8:15 pacific time to be exact.)
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racle (I painfully remember Oracle killing Sun
Microsofts literally months after SageMath started getting some
*major* marketing and vendor support from Sun.)
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[1] Related to this, the JupyterLab project this week flipped a switch
to *require* all developers with commit access to use
s involve the GitHub API, which I've used and is
actually really good.
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ry aberration deeply
embedded. Yet Luschny convinced me that we have all been wrong, and
that it's high time to change back to the correct definition before
the situation gets even worse. Therefore I changed the definition of
$B_1$ in all printings of The Art of Computer Programming..."
on and
> it indeed breaks some tests in sage/modular/modform:
I created all of the files listed below. My guess is that code for
computing q-expansions of Eisenstein series assume B(1) is what it is,
and one would just need to change that code by changing a sign
somewhere.
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example, I don't contribute to Sage anymore because the barrier to
entry via trac is too high. I contributed (and had accepted) a little
pull request yesterday to numpy **because** the barrier was so low.
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