Re: [sage-devel] Compilation failure of pari (ARM, gcc 4.6.2)

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le mercredi 08 février, Dr. David Kirkby a écrit: > On 02/ 8/12 10:18 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: > > Le samedi 04 février, Julien Puydt a écrit: > >> After I compile mp.c with only the -O switch, pari and the rest of > >> sage compiled correctly. > > > > Amusing remark : > > > > sage: float(maxima('1e

[sage-devel] A couple of patchbot questions

2012-02-08 Thread Kwankyu Lee
Hi, A couple of simple developer questions. Sorry... (1) I uploaded a new patch of the same name with the previous patch, but the patchbot doesn't seem to be triggered. I already tried "?kick", with no help. Is there other way to kick the patchbot? Do I need to upload the same patch with other

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/ 9/12 04:33 AM, William Stein wrote: There is: http://sagemath.org/doc/installation/source.html#environment-variables I am all for moving that list to README.txt. It's often confused me that it wasn't there. -- william I think its good to have it on the web page. If it's "move

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Jonathan Bober wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> >> After following this whole thread, I still have absolutely no idea >> what this "non-trivial project" even is.  What functionality is being >> proposed to add to the Sage buil

Re: [sage-devel] sage-1.0 was released just over 6 years ago

2012-02-08 Thread Iftikhar Burhanuddin
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:09 PM, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > Sage 1.0 was released for Sage Days 6, which was almost exactly 6 years ago: > >        http://sagemath.org/old/days1/ I believe you meant to write 'Sage Days 1', which brings back fond memories. I. > -- > William Stein > Professor

[sage-devel] PythonTeX coming soon...

2012-02-08 Thread kcrisman
See the following tex.stackexchange links for this interesting project. Kudos to Dan Drake (and the predecessor package and author) for having SageTeX inspire this, even if unknowingly. http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/40937/how-to-publish-a-package-that-includes-scripts-and-or-executables

[sage-devel] sage-1.0 was released just over 6 years ago

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
Hi, Sage 1.0 was released for Sage Days 6, which was almost exactly 6 years ago: http://sagemath.org/old/days1/ -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe fr

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread R. Andrew Ohana
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 16:26, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Robert Bradshaw > wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, William Stein wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Dr. David Kirkby >>> wrote: On 02/ 8/12 09:41 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: > > Le mar

Re: [sage-devel] GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread daly
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 00:12 +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 02/ 8/12 03:48 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does anybody want to help put together a GSoC application for Sage for 2012? > > > > http://code.google.com/soc/ > > > > The application deadline is March 9. > > > > So far, I

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread Jonathan Bober
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, William Stein wrote: > > After following this whole thread, I still have absolutely no idea > what this "non-trivial project" even is. What functionality is being > proposed to add to the Sage build system? > > -- William > > > I have been wondering the same thin

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, William Stein wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Dr. David Kirkby >> wrote: >>> On 02/ 8/12 09:41 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: Le mardi 7/2/2012, David Kirkby  a écrit : > > Unfortunately

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Dr. David Kirkby > wrote: >> On 02/ 8/12 09:41 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: >>> >>> Le mardi 7/2/2012, David Kirkby  a écrit : Unfortunately, from a developers point of view, it is not the easiest lan

Re: [sage-devel] GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 02/ 8/12 03:48 AM, William Stein wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Does anybody want to help put together a GSoC application for Sage for >> 2012? >> >>    http://code.google.com/soc/ >> >> The application deadline is March 9. >> >> So far, I think

Re: [sage-devel] GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/ 8/12 03:48 AM, William Stein wrote: Hi, Does anybody want to help put together a GSoC application for Sage for 2012? http://code.google.com/soc/ The application deadline is March 9. So far, I think we've applied 5 times to have Sage as a mentoring organizing, and been denied every

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 02/ 8/12 09:41 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: >> >> Le mardi 7/2/2012, David Kirkby  a écrit : >>> >>> Unfortunately, from a developers point of view, it is not the easiest >>> language to learn, and my experience of many Sage developers would

Re: [sage-devel] Purpose of SAGE64

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 02/ 8/12 09:11 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> On 2012-02-08 16:37, David Kirkby wrote: >>> >>> Unfortunately, due to what appears to be a bug with Pynac, importing a >>> lot of python modules, 64-bit binaries on Solaris do not run well.

Re: [sage-devel] Compilation failure of pari (ARM, gcc 4.6.2)

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 02/ 8/12 10:18 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: >> >> Le samedi 04 février, Julien Puydt a écrit: >>> >>> After I compile mp.c with only the -O switch, pari and the rest of >>> sage compiled correctly. >> >> >> Amusing remark : >> >> sage: float(

Re: [sage-devel] Compilation failure of pari (ARM, gcc 4.6.2)

2012-02-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/ 8/12 10:18 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: Le samedi 04 février, Julien Puydt a écrit: After I compile mp.c with only the -O switch, pari and the rest of sage compiled correctly. Amusing remark : sage: float(maxima('1e+17')) 1e+17 One problem down... It's a shame others came up... Snark on #

Re: [sage-devel] Purpose of SAGE64

2012-02-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/ 8/12 09:11 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: On 2012-02-08 16:37, David Kirkby wrote: Unfortunately, due to what appears to be a bug with Pynac, importing a lot of python modules, 64-bit binaries on Solaris do not run well. So, if I understand you correctly, Sage *builds* but it doesn't actually

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 02/ 8/12 09:41 AM, Julien Puydt wrote: Le mardi 7/2/2012, David Kirkby a écrit : Unfortunately, from a developers point of view, it is not the easiest language to learn, and my experience of many Sage developers would suggest they will not be over keen on studying the details of .autoconf I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] The failed numerical tests only show the tests are bad!

2012-02-08 Thread Jonathan Bober
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:23:08 -0800 (PST), > Jason a écrit : > > One benefit of programs like matlab and mathematica is that not only > > do they bring together many different functions with a common syntax, > > but that they (presumably) have s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/08/12 16:13, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2012-02-08 18:40, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: >> In some packages, we already have some "dependencies" section. >> I guess this could be used (or put somewhere else in the spkg) and >> then used by Sage (and not the spkg-install script itself, just as >> w

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-02-08 18:40, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > In some packages, we already have some "dependencies" section. > I guess this could be used (or put somewhere else in the spkg) and > then used by Sage (and not the spkg-install script itself, just as > what is done with SAGE_CHECK variable and spgk-c

Re: [sage-devel] Purpose of SAGE64

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-02-08 16:37, David Kirkby wrote: > Unfortunately, due to what appears to be a bug with Pynac, importing a > lot of python modules, 64-bit binaries on Solaris do not run well. So, if I understand you correctly, Sage *builds* but it doesn't actually work properly? I actually meant "builds an

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Harald Schilly
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 20:43, Christopher Swenson wrote: > There should be a section along the lines of "vouchers from Google and other > large organizations". yes, there is in deed such a section. thanks for your support :) H -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Swenson wrote: > I thought I would not that, to whomever is going to write the application, > be sure to list me down as a Google supporter, since I think it would be > great to have a Sage GSoC project.  There should be a section along the > lines of "

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Christopher Swenson
I thought I would not that, to whomever is going to write the application, be sure to list me down as a Google supporter, since I think it would be great to have a Sage GSoC project. There should be a section along the lines of "vouchers from Google and other large organizations". If I had a bit

Re: [sage-devel] Compilation failure of pari (ARM, gcc 4.6.2)

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le samedi 04 février, Julien Puydt a écrit: > After I compile mp.c with only the -O switch, pari and the rest of > sage compiled correctly. Amusing remark : sage: float(maxima('1e+17')) 1e+17 One problem down... It's a shame others came up... Snark on #sagemath -- To post to this group, send

Re: [sage-devel] Re: log messages

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Keshav Kini wrote: > Sorry, I managed to activate some button on Google Groups accidentally and > prematurely post the above message... > > +100. Our main problem with Mercurial is that we are not *using* it. We are > just using Mercurial as a way for Jeroen to gene

[sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
In some packages, we already have some "dependencies" section. I guess this could be used (or put somewhere else in the spkg) and then used by Sage (and not the spkg-install script itself, just as what is done with SAGE_CHECK variable and spgk-check script) to check for dependencies. On 8 fév, 18:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le mercredi 08 février, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit: >> On 2012-02-08 04:23, Julien Puydt wrote: >> > Le 8/2/2012, Keshav Kini a écrit : >> > >> >> Upstream configure scripts tend to check for dependencies by just >> >> testing if it can use them.

Re: [sage-devel] Purpose of SAGE64

2012-02-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 February 2012 12:57, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Does anyone here have a system on which > * building without setting SAGE64 works > * building with SAGE64=yes works > * the result in both cases is actually different > > Yes > The whole SAGE64 thing seems like a huge hack. I tend to agree

Re: [sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 02/07/2012 11:20 PM, kcrisman wrote: I hesitate to say I would be a good mentor, but there are a lot of things in symbolics and graphics that would be appropriate for this that I'd like to try with some of my students. Especially piecewise functions and such. Continuing nontrivial Geogebra

[sage-devel] Purpose of SAGE64

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
Does anyone here have a system on which * building without setting SAGE64 works * building with SAGE64=yes works * the result in both cases is actually different The whole SAGE64 thing seems like a huge hack. I'm also afraid that it isn't tested much. -- To post to this group, send an email

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-02-08 04:47, Julien Puydt wrote: > No, you don't have spkg/standard/deps for this, as spkg/standard/deps > is for *mandatory* packages, and the discussion was about *optional* > packages ;-) Maybe the best solution then is to add logic to install optional packages to spkg/standard/deps? -

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le mercredi 08 février, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit: > On 2012-02-08 04:23, Julien Puydt wrote: > > Le 8/2/2012, Keshav Kini a écrit : > > > >> Upstream configure scripts tend to check for dependencies by just > >> testing if it can use them. I guess what is meant here is that > >> spkg-install could

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-02-08 04:23, Julien Puydt wrote: > Le 8/2/2012, Keshav Kini a écrit : > >> Upstream configure scripts tend to check for dependencies by just >> testing if it can use them. I guess what is meant here is that >> spkg-install could check whether certain SPKGs had been installed >> into the S

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?

2012-02-08 Thread Harald Schilly
On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:18:35 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > Something like this... > thx. done! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, vis

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 8/2/2012, Keshav Kini a écrit : > Upstream configure scripts tend to check for dependencies by just > testing if it can use them. I guess what is meant here is that > spkg-install could check whether certain SPKGs had been installed > into the Sage installation. Also, upstream might not be awa

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [ARM] The failed numerical tests only show the tests are bad!

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:23:08 -0800 (PST), Jason a écrit : > One benefit of programs like matlab and mathematica is that not only > do they bring together many different functions with a common syntax, > but that they (presumably) have standardized precision and accuracy > control. So coming up with

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?

2012-02-08 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Hi Harald, On 8 February 2012 19:00, Harald Schilly wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:12:22 AM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> as a courtesy to the new users, one at least should put a big warning on >> the download page of this buggy download >> (*mirrorsname*/sage/osx/intel/index

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-02-08 01:29, John H Palmieri wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 7, 2012 3:06:14 PM UTC-8, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > > I came across the following in the Sage Developer guide: > >- If your package depends on another package, say boehmgc, then you > should check that thi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Keshav Kini
BTW I would also point out that all these dependency problems are basically solved in Burcin's `lmonade` repackaging of Sage, in case anyone reading this is not aware of that excellent project. .. lmonade_: http://www.lmona.de/ -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To po

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2012-02-08 12:22, Keshav Kini wrote: > Upstream configure scripts tend to check for dependencies by just > testing if it can use them. I guess what is meant here is that > spkg-install could check whether certain SPKGs had been installed into > the Sage installation. The upstream configure scri

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Keshav Kini
Upstream configure scripts tend to check for dependencies by just testing if it can use them. I guess what is meant here is that spkg-install could check whether certain SPKGs had been installed into the Sage installation. Also, upstream might not be aware of certain dependencies it might gain b

Re: [sage-devel] [ARM] The failed numerical tests only show the tests are bad!

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:13:10 -0800, Jonathan Bober a écrit : > See http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12449 > > I made a patch to change the way that sage evaluates symbolic > functions for basic python types, and at the same time changed RDF to > just use math.gamma() instead of gsl's gam

Re: [sage-devel] Re: spkg dependency checking

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 7/2/2012, John H Palmieri a écrit : > This is relevant for optional packages, so maybe it should say: > > If your package depends on an optional package, say ..., then you > should > > As Dima points out, Simon King's group cohomology package does > something like this. > > Is the 'de

Re: [sage-devel] use "./configure; make" for Sage?

2012-02-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Le mardi 7/2/2012, David Kirkby a écrit : > Unfortunately, from a developers point of view, it is not the easiest > language to learn, and my experience of many Sage developers would > suggest they will not be over keen on studying the details > of .autoconf I can't exactly blame them either. If

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Harald Schilly
I've started to write a GSOC 2012 application on the day we got rejected in 2011. Whoever wants to help, i'll add you to the google docs document. I'm fine with any contributions or even submitting this as the "notebook" and not sage itself. I also got some feedback from the last submissions di

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?

2012-02-08 Thread Harald Schilly
On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:12:22 AM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > as a courtesy to the new users, one at least should put a big warning on > the download page of this buggy download > (*mirrorsname*/sage/osx/intel/index.html) > And tell them to use the Terminal (i.e. non '-app' file) v

Re: [sage-devel] GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Martin, On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Martin Albrecht wrote: > c) M1RI, that's the code Tom wrote for dense linear algebra over GF(3) - > GF(7). As far as I understand it, it's a bunch of Sage worksheets at the > moment, i.e. a proof of concept. Where are these Sage worksheets? -- Regards

[sage-devel] Re: [ARM] The failed numerical tests only show the tests are bad!

2012-02-08 Thread Jason
One benefit of programs like matlab and mathematica is that not only do they bring together many different functions with a common syntax, but that they (presumably) have standardized precision and accuracy control. So coming up with a standard in this area is important. I think such a standard cou

[sage-devel] Re: GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread mmarco
> Continuing nontrivial Geogebra integration could > be another very appropriate one. > > - kcrisman Big +1 to that. > > * webwork/sage integration > I would also add integration with moodle (maybe that would include ldap?) There is also some mathematical stuff that i would like to see in Sage

Re: [sage-devel] GSOC 2012

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Albrecht
Hi, I could be tempted to mentor as well, but the group of potential beneficiaries of the stuff I have in mind is much smaller than notebook stuff or the Android app. Anyway, here it goes: a) Dense linear algebra over extension fields. I'm meeting Burcin tomorrow to work on this, so we'll have