[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-22 Thread Alexander Vainshtein
Yingzhen, Lots of thanks! Regards, Sasha Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Yingzhen Qu Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2024 5:53:25 AM To: Alexander Vainshtein Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updat

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-22 Thread Yingzhen Qu
t; *From:* Yingzhen Qu > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2024 3:39 AM > *To:* rtgwg@ietf.org > *Subject:* [rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for the review and comments. > > Please see the updated charter below this email, hi

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-20 Thread Alexander Vainshtein
: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates Hi all, Thanks for the review and comments. Please see the updated charter below this email, highlighting the changes: Incubating new routing-related technologies by developing and discussing problem statements prior to reaching consensus, which can encourage

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
: Yingzhen Qu Sent: 20 November 2024 01:39 To: rtgwg@ietf.org Subject: [rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates Hi all, Thanks for the review and comments. Please see the updated charter below this email, highlighting the changes: Incubating new routing-related technologies by developing

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-19 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi all, Thanks for the review and comments. Please see the updated charter below this email, highlighting the changes: *I**ncubating new routing-related technologies by developing and discussing problem statements prior to reaching consensus, which can encourage proponents to request a BoF or rec

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-12 Thread Joel Halpern
My preference is to simply remove the requirements work, and focus on informational problem statements.  If the work is well enough understood to meaningfully do requirements, it is probably clear enough to dispatch.  And the dispatch destination can decide whether there is a need for a require

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-12 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi Joel, The requirements meant to be high level function requirements, e.g. covering certain use cases, instead of protocol extension requirements. Should this be considered as part of the problem statement? But I agree with your point of deferring detail protocol requirements to working groups

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-12 Thread Joel Halpern
I wonder if the dispatch and incubation function would be clearer if RTGWG allowed for work on problem statements, but explicitly deferred requirements development to wherever the work is dispatched?  If the expertise is e.g. in IDR, SPRING, LSR, it seems they should do the requirements develop

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-12 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi Sasha, Adrian and Greg, Thanks for the comments. Totally agree that the WG can't decide the creation of a new WG, it really meant to say recommendation of a BoF or to the ADs about creation of a WG. The following text is from the current charter. RTGWG has been doing dispatch and incubation wo

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-12 Thread Greg Mirsky
Procrastinators (like me) are saved from writing more words, as others may be the first to formulate it more clearly. Thank you, Adrian! I was trying to put my finger on that "consensus determination of the new WG formation" as it seems not to be within the powers of a WG. I like the latter formula

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
I agree that this is a whole lot better. Thanks. I think, however, that RTGWG doesn’t determine consensus (or not) for the creation of a working group. Working groups are created by ADs according to arcane science. We could have “consensus to ask the ADs to form a new working group” and we

[rtgwg] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Charter updates

2024-11-11 Thread Alexander Vainshtein
Yingzhen and all, From my POV the latest proposed text: Incubating new routing-related technologies by developing and discussing problem statements and requirements documents, prior to determining whether there is consensus or not for the creation of a new working group. If the working group agr