Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-09 Thread jfm2
> > John Summerfield wrote: > > I don't know which bash extensions caught me though. Perhaps those who > > care should identify errors and take it up with the bash developers. > > I would argue that ideally if bash is run as "/bin/sh" that nothing > beyond the POSIX "/bin/sh" specification sho

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-09 Thread Edward S. Marshall
On 9 Nov 2000, Brady Montz wrote: > I care, and I agree that /bin/sh shouldn't use bash extensions. Me too! I want bash available, since I like it as a login shell. This doesn't mean I need or want that range of functionality from a default /bin/sh. Extensions to that interface do nothing but cr

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-09 Thread Brady Montz
Matt Fahrner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Summerfield wrote: > > I don't know which bash extensions caught me though. Perhaps those who > > care should identify errors and take it up with the bash developers. > > I would argue that ideally if bash is run as "/bin/sh" that nothing > beyon

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-09 Thread Matt Fahrner
John Summerfield wrote: > I don't know which bash extensions caught me though. Perhaps those who > care should identify errors and take it up with the bash developers. I would argue that ideally if bash is run as "/bin/sh" that nothing beyond the POSIX "/bin/sh" specification should function, t

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread John Summerfield
> > Ok, but looking at the particular case that brought this up I don't > think it, as an example, does put Linux growth in jeopardy. Saying > "/bin/sh" is POSIX bourne shell only doesn't stop any advancements for > those who prefer bash. They can put "#! /bin/bash" on their shell > scripts to g

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread John Summerfield
> Can happen. In fact there are youngsters who pick BSDs because those > people who are a few years older are using Linux. This quintegenarian subscribed to a few FreeBSD lists. It's astonishing the about of mail on them. ___ Redhat-devel-list m

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread John Summerfield
> It is a pain in the to teach them not to podex ___ Redhat-devel-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-devel-list

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread JF Martinez
Matt Fahrner a écrit : > JF Martinez wrote: > > There is a thing you have to consider:and that is people coming to > > Unix are not the only Linux usersa nd also there are more than one > > hundred million people waiting to be "libearted" from Windows. > > Yes, I pray for them daily. > > > I fr

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread Stanislav Meduna
Hello, had I not reading this list for quite a long time, I would just say "Oh, another troll" :-) > I frankly don't want to acept a thing as standard just > because it is in Unix. No. I want to accept it, because it is in Single Unix Specification. You might think that the portability is nothi

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread Matt Fahrner
JF Martinez wrote: > There is a thing you have to consider:and that is people coming to > Unix are not the only Linux usersa nd also there are more than one > hundred million people waiting to be "libearted" from Windows. Yes, I pray for them daily. > I frankly don't want to acept a thing as

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread Thilo Mezger
John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> IMHO, it would be a very good idea to have a 100% posix-compliant /bin/ >> sh without any extensions. /bin/sh should *not* be symlinked to /bin/ >> bash. > Did you read the documentation? > Here's another fragment: >

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread JF Martinez
Matt Fahrner a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In other words: when standard Linux programs are superior to the > > Posix/Unix standard then to hell with POSIX and UNIX. It is now to > > them to adopt _our_ standards. > > Nothing personal, but I think this is a bad attitude. Not only is i

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread John Summerfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > IMHO, it would be a very good idea to have a 100% posix-compliant /bin/ > sh without any extensions. /bin/sh should *not* be symlinked to /bin/ > bash. Did you read the documentation? Here's another fragment: Major Differences From The SVR4.2 Bourne Shell

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-08 Thread Matt Fahrner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In other words: when standard Linux programs are superior to the > Posix/Unix standard then to hell with POSIX and UNIX. It is now to > them to adopt _our_ standards. Nothing personal, but I think this is a bad attitude. Not only is it exactly what we hate out of Micro

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-07 Thread jfm2
> > > IMHO, it would be a very good idea to have a 100% posix-compliant > > /bin/sh without any extensions. /bin/sh should *not* be symlinked > > to /bin/bash. > > bash(1): >If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the >startup behavior of historical versions of sh

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-07 Thread Matt Fahrner
Yes it tries to mimic the startup behavior, but that doesn't mean it limits its own functionality strictly to the POSIX bourne shell subset. I think Alan's comment that there should be a /bin/sh that behaves strictly to POSIX compliance has some merits, particularly to force coders to write portab

Re: bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-07 Thread Alan Shutko
Thilo Mezger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > IMHO, it would be a very good idea to have a 100% posix-compliant > /bin/sh without any extensions. /bin/sh should *not* be symlinked > to /bin/bash. bash(1): If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the startup behavior of

bashing /bin/sh

2000-11-07 Thread Thilo Mezger
Hi! There's a thread on the guinness list about sh/bash/bash2 and I just wanted to tell you my $0.02 of this /bin/sh vs. bash1/bash2 story. IMHO, it would be a very good idea to have a 100% posix-compliant /bin/sh without any extensions. /bin/sh should *not* be symlinked to /bin/bash. The rea