Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches
Seems confusing that the AHJ is requiring a disconnect for AC wiring, not specific to which or both panel types, and then a dc disconnect with no code reference.  Was trying to convey a reasonable, safe approach.  A lot of bad information from fire department solar consultants making a lot of m

Re: [RE-wrenches] Brand X equipment?

2023-01-28 Thread Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
Bruce Good morning, just reread your email. For some reason I thought you were asking about their batteries which have been great and pricing fair. We have yet to install any of the EG4,6000 or 6500. Know several installers that have and they are tough little work horses but not to be comp

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread Jeremy Rodriguez via RE-wrenches
 2020 Code Language: 480.7 DC Disconnect Methods. (A) Disconnecting Means. A disconnecting means shall be provided for all ungrounded conductors derived from a stationary battery system with a voltage over 60 volts dc. A disconnecting means shall be readily accessible and located within sigh

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches
A dc-rated shunt trip breaker @ 250A (Blue Planet / OB Radian cabinet breaker) would do the trick if they exist. The trip device could be mounted outside. On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 3:55 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Glenn: > > > > As I wrote, a DC d

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Jeremy: Thanks for posting the code references for those that had never looked them up. Chris: What do you mean by “a disconnect for AC wiring, not specific to which or both panel types”? All: Code references are handy when receiving edicts from building officials, but not required,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread William Bryce via RE-wrenches
All One thing that no one is talking about is what happens to the MPPT charge controllers when the Battery Disconnect trips when the charge controllers are under full load. Many will blow up. Try turning off the battery breaker on a SolaArk when the charge controllers are maxed, and see if you ge

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread jay via RE-wrenches
HI William B, That is a good point. And even beyond the potential CC damage, since your now potentially powering the inverter it could actually stay alive ( I’ve seen this happen ) or it can cause a voltage spike from the CC which can damage the inverter which I”ve also seen. I don’t know w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Esteemed wrenches: Well if my house is on fire and the entry of fire responders is delayed for lack of a disconnect, I choose having the disconnect. I can worry about the charge controllers later. Others may prioritize their charge controller over their homes… Put a cable-tie lock in the closed

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread James Jarvis via RE-wrenches
It would be nice if the decision was up to the owner / occupant of the property. I, for one, do not want any random person to be able to turn off my house or business with the flick of a switch. I feel strongly that there is far too much fear mongering in NEC with relation to renewable energy. -Ja

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
James: Your on-grid home or business already has a quick and efficient means of disconnecting power by a random person: If you have a non-CT meter it’s a matter of clipping the meter tag and pulling the meter. If there is a CT meter, there will be a switch to flip. Fortunately off-grid homes do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread Brian Mehalic via RE-wrenches
Every single house I’ve looked at in my town has a breaker panel with a main service disconnect on the outside of the house already. So in many cases we are well beyond worrying about someone “flicking your switch!”In fact, in addition to the emergency disconnect requirement for stationary standby

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread James Jarvis via RE-wrenches
Brian and William, With all due respect, I think your geographical location of California may be limiting in your understanding of the implications of local power security. Where I am in Minnesota and where I work in Alaska, loss of power and backup power can have very expensive consequences. Whe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread Brian Mehalic via RE-wrenches
Easy buddy. First off you are wrong about where I live. And secondly your whining about being cold will win you no sympathy; old folks die in heat waves when the air conditioning fails! And if it such a big deal to you then don’t just complain - get involved in the process, since I’m sure your idea

Re: [RE-wrenches] Remote battery disconnects

2023-01-28 Thread Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches
My design for one customer was to have one initiator for the PV and inverter, and a separate one for the battery initiator. And, to put up a plaque giving instructions to turn off the PV and inverter first, then the battery. Brad On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches < re