Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jay, My logic about raising the end amps is that it would shorten the amount of time spent at gassing voltage in absorption by allowing the controller to shift to float a bit sooner. It's an idea, and I'm not sure whether it's a good one -- a compromise to reduce the time

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lightning Strike Fries Array

2015-05-22 Thread Gary Bassett
We had the fortunate luck of having lightning strikes a two Schuco ground mount arrays one with Schuco 180's the other one was with Schuco 230's. In both cases there were damaged diodes on a few there was visable damage to the junction box due to heat. For the most part it required testing of al

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Allan; This is an interesting thread, as all of us ( I think) have gone heavier on the solar arrays and lighter on the battery banks based on economics. I too have noticed higher gassing and more water consumption, and I too have adjusted set points down slightly to account for this. I th

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread frenergy
Hey Jay, From what I've heard form battery manus, the C rates likely even in a well PV-ed system still will not produce C-rates high enough to approach a high or "longevity reducing" internal battery temp, assuming a typical bulk, absorb, float cycle. Of course, battery environmental l

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread Dan Fink
Bill; The Whizbang can mount on the main shunt, and has an included mounting option that lets you piggyback the wires from another amp-hourt meter on it. I have mine with a magnum ME-BMK piggybacked on it. Dan Fink Buckville Energy IREC Certified Instructor™ for: ~ PV Installation Professional ~ S

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery set points with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread Steve Higgins
Hey guys… I’ve attached a white paper link that I’ve been working on(below)… This white paper has to do with Rolls Batteries and starting set points… The WP is prerelease and frankly I’m done looking at it as I need to move on to the next. I don’t think that I’ll ever be accused of being a wr

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
In addition, when someone leaves the system for long periods of time, the ending amps can help BUT that is not the same as giving them a good de-sulfating Absorb cycle once in a while. This is where it is nice to give them a good Absorb for some hours without the ending amps but only every s

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Bill; If the battery is in an insulated box indoors, it definitely can over heat. Also if ambient temps get into the 90s, the additional heat from charging can push the battery into the danger zone. In hot desert or tropical climates, it may actually be difficult to keep the battery belo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lightning Strike Fries Array

2015-05-22 Thread Gary Willett
Wayne, et al: I also recommend that you perform a Megger test on the DC Source Circuit conductors before recommissioning the system. There could be wiring faults caused by the lightning strike that may go undetected. It's also possible that an undetected ground fault might have occurred duri

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
On 5/22/2015 12:56 PM, Ray Walters wrote: Hi Bill; If the battery is in an insulated box indoors, it definitely can over heat. Also if ambient temps get into the 90s, the additional heat from charging can push the battery into the danger zone. In hot desert or tropical climates, it may actu

[RE-wrenches] Discrepency between inverter kWH reading and solar production meter

2015-05-22 Thread Kevin Eigel
I recently installed a Solaredge 7600 inverter and two feet away from it installed a GE 210 solar kWh utility grade meter. Over the course of three months the kWh production measured by the inverter is more than 200 kWh greater then the production showing on the GE meter. I changed out the GE mete

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread Ray Walters
I thought I'd post some info on Battery Temp from a few manus: HUP Solar One: do not exceed 105 F Full River AGMs: max recommended operating temp 104F and from Trojan: for every 10C increase in temperature the reaction rate doubles. Thus, a month of operation at 35C is equivalent to 2 months a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Discrepency between inverter kWH reading and solar production meter

2015-05-22 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
Hi: The difference is in the accuracy of revenue grade versus inverter KWh meters. Revenue grade is typically much more accurate. Beyond that, even if the accuracy of both was really good at lets say +/- 0.5%, you could still get a 1% overall difference in readings as one could be +0.5% and o

Re: [RE-wrenches] Discrepency between inverter kWH reading andsolar production meter

2015-05-22 Thread frenergy
Hopefully there tech department can shed some light on this for you, however, it would certainly be to SolarEdge's benefit to appear to be producing more power than it really is, well, unless, H .. Bill - Original Message - From: jarmo.venalai...@schneider-electric.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread frenergy
This is good stuff, enlightening...but begs another small? detail that has obvious big ramifications. Where o where does the BTS get placed to best read the actual "temperature of the battery"? It's too big to fit on many terminals especially once cabled, it's certainly not very accurate when

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread jay peltz
Hi Ray, Cold isn't a problem. It reduces capacity and yes they could freeze, but it doesn't shorten life ( I mean besides the freezing part) in fact cooler batteries last longer. But hot is a problem. Those max temps are not the same thing as reduced life from running at a hotter temperature. A

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread jay peltz
agreed. Again, maybe Steve has an view of the builder, but having it on the post is pretty close. Maybe there is a white paper on temp sensor locations pros/cons? jay On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:08 PM, frenergy wrote: > This is good stuff, enlightening...but begs another small? detail that

Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger arrays

2015-05-22 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
On 5/22/2015 6:43 PM, jay peltz wrote: agreed. Again, maybe Steve has an view of the builder, but having it on the post is pretty close. If it's the typical flat type of BTS, wedged right between two batteries will give a good average temperature of the two of them. boB Maybe there