On 5/22/2015 6:43 PM, jay peltz wrote:
agreed.
Again, maybe Steve has an view of the builder, but having it on the post is pretty close.



If it's the typical flat type of BTS, wedged right between two batteries will give a good
average temperature of the two of them.

boB





Maybe there is a white paper on temp sensor locations pros/cons?

jay




On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:08 PM, frenergy <frene...@psln.com <mailto:frene...@psln.com>> wrote:

    This is good stuff, enlightening...but begs another small? detail
    that has obvious big ramifications. Where o where does the BTS get
    placed to best read the actual "temperature of the battery"?  It's
    too big to fit on many terminals especially once cabled, it's
    certainly not very accurate when stuck to the outer case of a dual
    cased Surrette and probably only somewhat more accurate when stuck
    to an L-16 top. Aren't we looking for electrolyte temps?
            Many times the BTS doesn't survive its original location
    after a few years of battery acid. Rather than "insulated" from
    the surface its been assigned to with 2-sided tape, it seems like
    it should be in direct contact with that surface with a dab of
    thermal grease between.  Or, couldn't a wrench be trusted to drill
    a 1/4" hole in the top of a representative cell and insert an acid
    proof sensor into the electrolyte with a formed snap-in plug
    (rubber, silicone, nylon??) behind it on the lead, to seal it
    where it enters the battery case?
            Just saying, if we really need (and I think we do)
    accurate battery temp for temp regulation and battery health, what
    we're using now is substandard.
    Bill
    Feather River Solar Electric

        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* Ray Walters <mailto:r...@solarray.com>
        *To:* RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
        *Sent:* Friday, May 22, 2015 3:33 PM
        *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] FLA battery setpoints with larger
        arrays

        I thought I'd post some info on Battery Temp from a few manus:
        HUP Solar One: do not exceed 105 F
        Full River AGMs: max recommended operating temp 104F
        and from Trojan:  for every 10C increase in temperature the
        reaction rate doubles.  Thus, a month of operation at 35C is
        equivalent to 2 months at 25C.  Heat is the enemy of ALL lead
        acid batteries.  Even small increases in temperature will have
        a major influence on battery life.
        Their T105 RE battery has a max operating temperature of 113 F

        I think more batteries are hitting high temperatures than we
        may realize.  This info from Trojan that a battery at 95F
        (35C) will only last half its rated life (at 25C) is very
        concerning.
        Once again, thanks Bob and Midnite for giving us a tool to
        combat over temperature of batteries.  We always knew cold was
        a problem, now I'm realizing heat could be just as important.

        R.Ray Walters
        CTO, Solarray, Inc
        Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
        Licensed Master Electrician
        Solar De

--
Jay Peltz
Peltz Power
jay.pe...@gmail.com <mailto:jay.pe...@gmail.com>



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