Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan 2 volt temp sensor

2012-10-10 Thread John DeBoever
or just sticking it to the top of the red case? And if we can remove the top what do we re-glue it with? thanks, jay peltz power On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:14 PM, John DeBoever wrote: Tom, Trojan IND line are 2V single cell batteries, in dual containers. John bers.re-wrenches.org<http://b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan 2 volt L-16s

2012-10-09 Thread John DeBoever
Tom, Trojan IND line are 2V single cell batteries, in dual containers. John Travelling On Oct 9, 2012, at 20:05, "Tom Duffy" wrote: > William > > You apparently misunderstood my poorly worded question I am sorry, I meant... > "why can't they make a big 1110 AH 2 volt... like Surrette does"

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan 2 volt L-16s

2012-10-08 Thread John DeBoever
Bob, Trojan is launching the single-point watering system for the 2v single cells Trojan IND Line. John On Oct 8, 2012, at 18:05, "bob ellison" mailto:reelli...@gmail.com>> wrote: I too like the big single cells. I have used many of the Deka 1360 AH 2 volt cells with good results over the ye

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan 2 volt L-16s

2012-10-08 Thread John DeBoever
William, It is not recommended to replace one bad unit by a new one in a 1 year-old battery bank. That will definitely unbalance the strings. Modern solar chargers and inverter-chargers typically have settings adjustable to reset to handle a previously 48V battery bank configuration into a 46

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan 2 volt L-16s

2012-10-08 Thread John DeBoever
William, Wrenches, Thank you for asking. Indeed the Trojan Premium L16RE-2V is a monoblock flooded lead-acid battery. The cells inside the monoblock are configured in parallel with internal interconnects that are factory-welded and typically offer lower resistance disparity compared to ex

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L-16 SG Readings- Did Something Change?

2012-09-04 Thread John DeBoever
ms using the products that we sell. We take great pride in getting to know our products so that we can recommend the best for our customers. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> [ mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L-16 SG Readings- Did Something Change?

2012-09-04 Thread John DeBoever
g to know our products so that we can recommend the best for our customers. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of John DeBoever Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:05 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L-16 SG Re

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L-16 SG Readings- Did Something Change?

2012-08-31 Thread John DeBoever
Sequoya, Wrenches, Thank you for your patience on this, as I had no easy Internet connection. Below are the clarifications requested. ü Trojan Premium L16RE-B datasheet can be found here: http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/datasheets/L16REB_TrojanRE_Data_Sheets.pdf ü Trojan Premium line

Re: [RE-wrenches] High L16 voltage situation

2012-07-17 Thread John DeBoever
GM jumper to the controller which does lower absorb and float voltage to Morningstars published settings with the one controller I attempted it with. Nathan Jones -- On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:41 PM CDT John DeBoever wrote: >Nathan, > > > >Maybe the d

Re: [RE-wrenches] High L16 voltage situation

2012-07-17 Thread John DeBoever
Nathan, Maybe the devil is in the details... Maybe the controller is confused and "sees" a 24V system... Just thinking... Kindly clarify few points: o At which voltage the PV array is configured? 2x PV modules in parallel 12V or 2x PV modules in series? o Does the SunSaver Morningstar

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-13 Thread John DeBoever
Wrenches, Forcing a lead acid battery to cycle for the fun of it reduces its cycle life. In a nutshell, lead acid batteries have “five lives”, each varying depending their specific intrinsic technology attributes developed by the battery OEM: o Cycle life o Corrosion life o Stratificati

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-10 Thread John DeBoever
om> On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:19 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com<mailto:toddc...@finestplanet.com> wrote: and the difference betaeen the L16RE-A & L16RE-B is? todd On Monday, July 9, 2012 12:53pm, "John DeBoever" mailto:jdeboe...@trojanbattery.com>> said: Jason, Wrenches,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread John DeBoever
.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of toddc...@finestplanet.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:19 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience and the difference betaeen the L16RE-A & L16RE-B is? todd On Monday, July 9, 2012 12:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread John DeBoever
Dick, Yes, correct, partial state of charge. John On Jul 9, 2012, at 18:45, "Richard L Ratico" wrote: > John, > > Thanks for that clarification. One question: What is PSOC? Partial State Of > Charge? > > Dick Ratico > Solarwind Electric > > > --- You wrote: > Jason, Wrenches, > > Thank

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Experience

2012-07-09 Thread John DeBoever
Jason, Wrenches, Thank you for your patience and positive statements on Trojan Battery Company. Last week was a busy and I was away from my desk most of the time with limited access to Internet. Both the Premium "RE" versions L16RE-A and L16RE-B, and, the Signature L16P & L16H are great deep-

Re: [RE-wrenches] Hot Trojan Batteries

2012-04-13 Thread John DeBoever
is not referring to a maximum rate of 10-15% of 16.25 amps, but 10-15% of the 325aH capacity. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> [ mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of John D

Re: [RE-wrenches] Charge Rate (Hot Trojan Batteries)

2012-04-03 Thread John DeBoever
om<mailto:al...@positiveenergysolar.com> NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc. 3201 Calle Marie Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 www.positiveenergysolar.com<http://ww

Re: [RE-wrenches] Hot Trojan Batteries

2012-04-02 Thread John DeBoever
e-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org<mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] On Behalf Of John DeBoever Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:14 PM To: allso...@scswifi.net<mailto:allso...@scswifi.net&g

Re: [RE-wrenches] Hot Trojan Batteries

2012-04-02 Thread John DeBoever
Jeremy, Wrenches, 165°F is definitely too high and you should stop immediately any charge to avoid further major problems. I recommend you contact our Trojan Tech Support for help at http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/Tech_Support/Tech_Support.html?tab=0#TabbedPanels1#top Below are few perspec

Re: [RE-wrenches] cycling flooded batteries is not necessary

2012-02-21 Thread John DeBoever
Wrenches, Sorry for late answer as I was/am busy in meetings. I will recap as follows: In a nut shell, Todd made a great point: equalizing and cycling are two different necessary steps in a full charge of a flooded lead acid battery. “Floating applications” means exactly that: they stay in flo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB

2012-02-17 Thread John DeBoever
Correct link for Trojan Premium T-105RE: See here: http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/datasheets/T105RE_TrojanRE_Data_Sheets.pdf From: John DeBoever Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:50 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: RE: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB Wrenches, Jason, I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB

2012-02-17 Thread John DeBoever
Jason Lerner Waldron Power and Light Co. On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:48 AM, John DeBoever wrote: Jason, Deep-Cycle require thick plate. Higher current require plate surface. In a same format case, for the same weight, you can either have few thick plates or a higher number of thinner plates.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Quantity of L-16 in a string

2012-02-16 Thread John DeBoever
Wrenches, Dana, Battery banks can be configured with parallel strings, each string consisting of the number of units to meet the 12V, 24V or 48V battery bank voltage required by the design. The recommended maximum number of strings in parallel is 4. The lesser number of string in parallel will

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB

2012-02-16 Thread John DeBoever
Jason, Deep-Cycle require thick plate. Higher current require plate surface. In a same format case, for the same weight, you can either have few thick plates or a higher number of thinner plates. Trojan true deep cycle flooded batteries feature thicker plates and a resulting lower capacity t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB

2012-02-16 Thread John DeBoever
eaving any deep cycle flooded battery at a constant float voltage for months or years at a time. Do you have test data that will help me overcome my skepticism? Thank you, Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems (928) 342-9103 On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:09 AM, John DeBoever wrote: Wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB

2012-02-16 Thread John DeBoever
Wrenches, Todd, Trojan Battery manufactures only true deep-cycling lead-acid batteries, from our 4 factories, based in the USA. Periodic cycling is not a requirement or benefit in achieving longer flooded lead acid deep-cycle battery life. There are some valid reasons to prefer flooded lead-aci

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interstate L-16 vs Trojan L-16REB

2012-02-16 Thread John DeBoever
Wrenches, Drake, Trojan Premium lineL16RE-A, L16RE-B and L16RE-2V are optimized for renewable energy applications. They offer 1,600 cycles @ 50% DOD @ 77F. For details info, see here: http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/PDF/Premium_Trojan_ProductLineSheet.pdf Trojan Signature line L16P and L16H, wi

Re: [RE-wrenches] wrenches] Battery Off Gassing and CO Detectors

2012-02-03 Thread John DeBoever
Very risky proposition... Battery room/enclosure shall be well ventilated. Any fan system shall have a normally open position in case of fan failure, with adequate natural air flow. John From: Kent Osterberg [mailto:k...@coveoregon.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 01:35 PM To: RE-wrenches Su

Re: [RE-wrenches] BPS warranty claims

2012-01-16 Thread John DeBoever
From: Marco Mangelsdorf [mailto:ma...@pvthawaii.com] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 07:07 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] BPS warranty claims My old, usual channels to get warranty coverage from BP Solar appear to have dried up with messages like this. Dear Customer, Customer Se

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread John DeBoever
nt is practically nil. Am I missing something or did you mean to say during the acceptance and equalization mode? Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jan 6, 2012, at 9:00 AM, John DeBoever wrote: Kent, Thank you for pointing at the units. Please note that: * You are looking for

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread John DeBoever
that per charge cycle? per hour? per minute? per cell? Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. www.bluemountainsolar.com<http://www.bluemountainsolar.com> On 1/5/2012 4:18 PM, John DeBoever wrote: Hello Wrenches, Here are some very general guidelines on the subject for considerat

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units

2011-11-05 Thread John DeBoever
can handle? (it can't be 80 X 600?) todd On Friday, November 4, 2011 4:12pm, "John DeBoever" said: > Schneider Electric just launched their MPPT 80-600, which is a 80A , up to > 600 V. > > John > Trojan Battery Company > > - Origina

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units

2011-11-04 Thread John DeBoever
Schneider Electric just launched their MPPT 80-600, which is a 80A , up to 600 V. John Trojan Battery Company - Original Message - From: Carl Emerson [mailto:freepo...@freepower.co.nz] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 07:08 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT un

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage Regulator

2011-11-04 Thread John DeBoever
Jeremy, I understand that your application wants the wireless communication load to operate at 24VDC with a voltage tolerance of +-4V (15%). Since your battery bank will operate between voltages larger than +-15%, you will need typically 22-30V/24V DC/DC converter with max 15% voltage tolera

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery cycle life, US Battery

2011-09-19 Thread John DeBoever
Hi Ron, The recommended maximum number of strings in parallel in a lead acid battery bank is 4. Each string consist of the number of units required to meet the battery bank voltage (12V, 24V or 48V). Higher than 4 strings in parallel is not recommended as the risk of unbalanced charge between

Re: [RE-wrenches] unique battery bank design question

2011-09-01 Thread John DeBoever
Mac, Never tap a battery bank off various voltages. This will result into unbalanced battery units, thus confusing the charger, resulting into unbalance charge, boiling ones and sulfating others occurring, killing the battery fast... When facing various loads with various operating voltage 12V,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread John DeBoever
ls voltage. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:36 AM, John DeBoever wrote: Darryl, Lead acid battery typically recommended bulk charge is 10-15% of C20 for the flooded lead acid and 20 -25% of C20 for the sealed valve regulated lead acid. Depending the appli

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread John DeBoever
Darryl, Lead acid battery typically recommended bulk charge is 10-15% of C20 for the flooded lead acid and 20 -25% of C20 for the sealed valve regulated lead acid. Depending the application and the environment, these rates could be optimized, on a case by case basis. As the battery voltage rai

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan RE Series Tech question

2011-08-03 Thread John DeBoever
mailto:jdeboe...@trojanbattery.com> NEW WEBSITE - http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/ [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CB52C7.9D20C090] From: John DeBoever Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:22 AM To: 'RE-wrenches'

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan RE Series Tech question

2011-08-03 Thread John DeBoever
Alan, You are correct that on some solar controllers, a current set point, combined with a set time will allow the solar controller to "recognize" end of the absorption-regulation-acceptance phase. Since the energy source is PV, the current available from the PV array varies during the course o

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan RE Series Tech question

2011-08-03 Thread John DeBoever
Hello David, I thought I would share with the Wrenches the below answer from our Tech Support. Rgds, John From: Tom Lowder Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:17 AM To: d...@independentpowerllc.com Cc: John DeBoever; Dean Middleton; Stacey Delzeit Subject: Questions on RE product Dave, Hi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan RE Series Tech question

2011-08-02 Thread John DeBoever
Hello David, You are correct, Ronald Parades is not working with us anymore. Our Technical Support is provided by Stacey and Tom, both of whom have their contact number here: http://www.trojanbatteryre.com/Tech_Support/Tech_Support.html?tab=0#TabbedPanels1#top Phone Trojan telephone tech suppor