Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Sindelar
I had done this a few times in the distant past, and also had done it in recent years on my own previous battery bank (four strings of S-530s - yes, I know; it was in anticipation of future plans to upgrade to 48V, and two strings wouldn't have been enough). It work

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread dan
Good thread. Thanks. In my experience, it all boils down to the customer. I've seen one temp. set up with like 12 strings (for a concert). but they were recharged and sold individually within a few weeks.. I've also seen a single string (Teledyne aircraft batteries) fail in less than a year.. they

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread Christopher Warfel
I recently purchased one and it has been useful. It can also be used to find poorly insulated buildings, air leaks etc. I have been told that in some states, fire departments will make their thermal imaging cameras available to qualified people for conducting these types of surveys. Chris On 6

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread boB Gudgel
On 6/1/2011 10:43 AM, Michael Welch wrote: Every now and then I see reference on this list to the need for thermal detection. Here is an interesting, inexpensive piece of equipment that could be used for finding hot (loose or corroded) connections, hot batteries, hot PV cells in modules, and e

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison, Why a single string?

2011-06-01 Thread boB Gudgel
On 6/1/2011 8:41 AM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote: Hi boB, We know that current will flow through the lowest resistive path. In a perfect world, the resistance from end to end of a battery string will be identical. Real world conditions show that one or more cells have a

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread Bill Loesch
Hi Michael, With all due respect, do the reference "idiot lights" do that much for you? I have always thought a thermal camera/viewer/FLIR/etc. would be great but so would a used car. My digital IR thermometer at several orders of magnitude difference in price has served me well, if tediously, to

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread Michael Welch
Every now and then I see reference on this list to the need for thermal detection. Here is an interesting, inexpensive piece of equipment that could be used for finding hot (loose or corroded) connections, hot batteries, hot PV cells in modules, and even poorly insulated spots, its original inte

[RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison, Why a single string?

2011-06-01 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hi boB, We know that current will flow through the lowest resistive path. In a perfect world, the resistance from end to end of a battery string will be identical. Real world conditions show that one or more cells have a slightly higher internal resistance. Add to that the imperfect terminal cr

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread toddcory
Does it make any difference to do as boB recently suggested and inter-connect the strings? So in other words, if you have two parallel strings, what happens if you parallel each battery in one string with the battery in the other string? Has anyone tried this? It might help insure more balance

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread Darryl Thayer
If one cell gets a higher internal loss than the others is hogs the charging current and will over charge its string partners.  It is a problem of the temperature of all cells in all parallel strings having the same thermal environment, so they all have the same voltage.  (the case of one of 4 p

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread James Surrette
Hi boB, I would say maintenance is a large issue - especially when dealing with L-16's or the like, as the number of cells & connections gets large, i.e. 1000-1200AH @ 48VDC is three (3) strings, 24 batteries and 72 cells. Will a client water 24 cells...maybe - 72?? However, from Tech Supp

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24 volt Battery Bank comparison

2011-06-01 Thread boB Gudgel
On 5/31/2011 11:25 PM, Tom Elliot wrote: Bob, I totally understand the concern about multiple strings *if the strings are connected across the battery bank* as had always been the tradition in off-grid installations. My own experience with such a bank in my system showed why when I had a sin