[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread IanA
What BB is installed? The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive side cup. These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but sometimes they will cause a click. Like Patrick Moore said, it could also simply be that the cup has worked loose. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:06:52 PM

[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread doc
Most likely you have to grease the pedals, however if they have the plastic reflector inserts, make sure that they haven't worn out and are now loose in their mounts; and while probably not applicable in your case, make sure the hard plastic end on your shoe laces aren't bouncing off the do

[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Anton Tutter
Deacon, I know you're sensitive to noises and I can imagine this is extra annoying to you. Are your pedals double-sided? Meaning, if clipless, can you clip in on either side of the pedal? (Moot point if you're using regular pedal platforms, they're by default double-sided) Make note of which

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Anton Tutter
Ha! I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm jotting this one down. Anton On Sunday, April 20, 2014 2:58:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 04/20/2014 11:04 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > I really dislike the term "ghetto tubeless". I have used and ge

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-21 Thread Ron Mc
Deac, as long as your neck is in a natural position, chin down, head back, shoulders relaxed, elbows bent - you have everything going for you. Using a few core muscles for balance and control, seems exactly where you want to be. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:46:05 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrot

[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Ron Mc
my buddy had a pedal bearing click, but I remember his being top dead center instead of bottom. On Monday, April 21, 2014 6:18:58 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: > > Deacon, I know you're sensitive to noises and I can imagine this is extra > annoying to you. > > Are your pedals double-sided? Me

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Dan Abelson
I had the issue with a cracked Shimano BB cup causing clicking. Dan Abelson On Apr 21, 2014 3:47 AM, "IanA" wrote: > What BB is installed? The Shimano ones often have a plastic non-drive > side cup. These do split and sometimes are just fine like that, but > sometimes they will cause a click.

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote: Ha! I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm jotting this one down. Absolutely. I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we actually had a class in Field Expedients. I recall them telling us about how to gap poin

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
My BB is a Tange 107, Sugino cranks. I'll be replacing the BB anyway in the next few weeks to a 113, which also involves the cranks getting worked on. I'm pretty sure I flipped the pedals, but not positive. Could be a saddle click, or a strap from the xs SaddleSack, which I have tucked in front

[RBW] Re: Handlebar Dilemma Solved

2014-04-21 Thread Ron Mc
Brewster, that last one has a Flintstones look to it. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:28:23 AM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:39:31 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/rick_bergstrom/13932180295/in/pool-bicycleasart >> Grin. >> >>

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Matthew J
You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working. Best part of Apollo 13 movie was the scene where the ground engineers take a box of what the astronauts had to work with and helped device a plan to sa

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Ron Mc
If you want to know repressed, be a father in divorce court. Single fathers are the most abused segment of modern society - in every court, in taxes, in custody - if you read our stated rights in divorce decrees, it literally states that we have the right to pay our our money. On Monday, Apr

[RBW] GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread WETH
Riv content: Two Rivendell-inspired riders, two Riv’d out Surly LHTs, a large Saddlesack, a platrack, and a Slickersack. This summer my wife and I are planning to ride the entire Great Allegheny Passage (GAP) trail (150 miles) from Pittsburgh, PA to Cumberland, MD with our 13 and 11 year ol

[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Fantastic! How far do your sons enjoy riding? My one suggestion is to let them pick the distance as much as possible (practical concerns like we have to reach food/water/camping as part of that decision). On the trails we've done that translated to 7-15 miles on trail, or 30 miles on road. With

Re: [RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread cyclotourist
The trail looks like a fantastic ride! Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Fantastic! How far do your sons enjoy riding? My one suggestion is to let > them pick the distance as much as possible (prac

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread WETH
Patrick, I was going to mention, in addition to all the other helpful and possible sources shared already, that it could be a strap. I have a strap from a Saddle Sack that clicks when it hits my fender and only when I pedal. It took me a while to diagnose the source of the sound. Good luck, Er

[RBW] Re: Albastache conversion Complete!

2014-04-21 Thread Jeremy Till
Sounds like you've clearly hit on a better fit for yourself, Patrick. That's awesome. I feel like I've come across that recently on my Long Haul Trucker with Albatross bars. I recently sold my only remaining drop bar bike and I don't miss it at all! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:46:05 PM UTC

[RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

2014-04-21 Thread Jeremy Till
Interesting; I had seen pictures of that bike in the Sea Otter coverage but hadn't put it together until just now that they were using the wheels in essentially a 29er (with 29er fork). In many ways, a similar intention to 650b road bike conversions, taking mass produced racy bike frames and g

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more: one day I heard a similar noise and discovered it was a too-long shoe lace end striking the left chainstay with its "aglet", the plastic wrap at the end of the lace. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > My BB is a Tange

[RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks for all the replies. So it looks as if a 3.0 won't fit on the stock FV1 fork, but I have been thinking of getting a new, lower trail fork Eric: any idea if the tire will fit in the rear of the FV1? The 650B idea is intriguing, but my experience is that additional circumference makes f

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Yes, I'm barefoot at 35˚F and up and have been on rides when I heard it, so barring toe nail tinging, I can eliminate foot/wear as the source. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:11 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I think you pedal barefoot, but just in case, one more:

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
I don't want to elaborate too much here, since this already stretches the thread dangerously, but as a single father with far less money than my daughter's mother, who is the principal custodian parent, I can't agree that we are more oppressed than others in our country. Stop and frisk? Back to "g

Re: [RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread Minh
> > Nice! The stretch from Confluence down to Cumberland (the start) is just > as nice, especially some of the higher railroad bridges. this will be a > good trip for the family, not too difficult either in terms of climbing or > terrain. > -- You received this message because you are subsc

[RBW] FS: Olive green Sackville BarSack + Nitto BarSack Rack

2014-04-21 Thread Tom Harrop
Hi list, I've had this handlebar rack and bag combo for a couple of years and only used it once or twice, so it's time to find it a new home. I would say the condition is 'like new' except for a small scuff m

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Ryan
Hi Patrick, The first thing I would try is a liberal application of grease to those pedals , if they're serviceable. I've had this problem with MKS pedalsexcellent pedals that they are...and fortunately , easily fixed by aforementioned application of grease. It's annoying all right, and I'

[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Mark Reimer
I understand, yet don't fully agree with the safety concerns of a carbon fork. If something jams in your wheel, you're likely going down regardless and your fork is likely going to be toast regardless. For the record, I have a Cervelo R3 (full carbon), Giant TCX (Aluminum/Carbon), did have a B

[RBW] FS: Barely Used Sam Hillborne 48 cm.

2014-04-21 Thread bp...@virginia.edu
I bought this in late 2012. Ridden less than 500 miles since. We have a house with no garage, no basement, no shed -- so bikes everywhere. Something has to go (the children are already gone and the dog is not negotiable) and my wife is getting a new city bike (all the others are mine). The

[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Mark Reimer
Ron, couldn't have said it better! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:51:51 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > Don't feel alone in watching bike racing. It's great. It's also great to > race. I know several people who used to ride, because they used to race. > Now they don't ride. It's a shame. Bikes s

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread blueride2
Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective, sealant needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless tires and rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group

[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread BenG
Check that all of your chainring screws/nuts are tight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To pos

Re: [RBW] Re: Drum Brakes and Dynomos

2014-04-21 Thread Zack B
Sram makes a dynamo hub that is specially designed to light up a low speeds: http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/d7-dynamo IIRC it tested as the slowest hub with lights off, but as the fastest with lights on. It is quite reasonably priced, too at $95: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
For me -- statistical sample of 1: 30 mm Parigi Roubaix, 60-65 psi, tubes. I did not try these tubeless. Before: a goathead flat every 2 to 5 miles; used, literally, 20 patches in one week. After: no flat in 700 miles; Stan's still entirely liquid after 12 mos. 55 mm (as measured, 50 mm labele

[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
I don't think most folks will argue that jamming something in a front fork is anything other than a serious issue. That is a reasonably rare occurrence (thank goodness) and one which most riders would have a difficult time recovering from. A better argument could be made for higher spoke coun

[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread ascpgh
What a fantastic trip and great idea to pre-run sections before bringing the kids along. I took my nephew from Pittsburgh to Ohiopyle for a long weekend of biking and white water rafting. He'd never imagined riding a hundred miles and only put ten together non-stop before. The key for keeping h

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
It's up to all of us to try and use more appropriate terminology in life. Saying it doesn't offend us is somewhat meaningless since we should be concerned about the people it does offend. While the pc police can get a bit out of control having lived down south for a long time I often hearrd the ter

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread cyclotourist
I've had mixed results inside tubes. Tubeless set up is perfect, I've sealed up after punctures by barbed wire. But in the tubes, sometimes works fine, sometimes not. Most recently picked up about six goatheads and none of them sealed. Prior to that, had a couple that did seal. So maybe 50/50 for m

Re: [RBW] Cheviot's poppy picture

2014-04-21 Thread cyclotourist
Here's some poppy action from Saturday's ride: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/13979190203/in/set-72157644237967063/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/13979191223/in/set-72157644237967063 Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Mon, Apr

Re: [RBW] Cheviot's poppy picture

2014-04-21 Thread Hugh Smitham
Nicely done. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Here's some poppy action from Saturday's ride: > > > https://www.flickr.com/photos

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell poster by David Lance Goines $50 shipped

2014-04-21 Thread joe kelly
sold On Thursday, April 3, 2014 3:25:34 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote: > > hi > i have an unused DLG poster of child with bike. it has the process > explanation paperwork and the original box from rivendell. > thanks for your time > joe kelly > columbus ohio > -- You received this message because y

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
One last post on this: yes, we need to respect others' sense of offense. But one is entirely permitted to exercise one's judgment on what manifests excessive sensitivity on a given issue. I make no judgment at all about the OP's character; perhaps and hopefully he is a far better human being than I

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
Agreed. But again, anyone know of a bike shop that has done the split tube method or too much time for them to bother with? On Apr 21, 2014 5:08 PM, "Patrick Moore" wrote: > One last post on this: yes, we need to respect others' sense of offense. > But one is entirely permitted to exercise one's

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Vaughn at Stevie's did my split tube conversion and apparently does this routinely where a Stan's liner won't work. From their website, linked off of Gypsy by Trade, Fat Tire Bicycles has specialized in split tube conversions. Both ABQ shops so no use to you, but in general answer to your question,

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Tom M
You may want to check the chain length. The two times I've had similar problems, that's been the source. --Tom On Monday, April 21, 2014 2:24:46 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > The first thing I would try is a liberal application of grease to those > pedals , if they're serviceable.

[RBW] Happy Springtime Folks!

2014-04-21 Thread Chris Chen
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/13937989426/ -- "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai

Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Brewster Fong
On Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:40:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > > I personally sneer, and do so with great glee and spite, at stupid light > racing frames sold to fat middle aged men who buy them because they want to > pretend they are pro racers, or because they are too ignorant to know

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
Sweet, I will check out my local shops to see if any of them are with the program. Thanks! On Apr 21, 2014 5:17 PM, "Patrick Moore" wrote: > Vaughn at Stevie's did my split tube conversion and apparently does this > routinely where a Stan's liner won't work. From their website, linked off > of Gy

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
Aglet reference made my day! On Apr 21, 2014 5:39 PM, "Tom M" wrote: > You may want to check the chain length. The two times I've had similar > problems, that's been the source. > --Tom > > On Monday, April 21, 2014 2:24:46 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> The first thing I would try

Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Patrick Moore
OK, OK, I don't really want to sneer at anyone. Overspoke as usual. What I mean is that buying a bike just to --oh hell, if someone buys a bike and kit to look like a fat Wiggins or whoever is the current idol, then more power to him; even more if he rides it hard. Years ago I heard of a manager at

Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Eric Norris
There are a whole bunch of bronies out there who just got really peeved at you. www.whatisabrony.com --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > OK, OK, I don't really want to sneer at anyone. Overspoke as u

[RBW] Re: Pedal Stroke "Click"

2014-04-21 Thread John L
The last such click I successfully diagnosed was coming from my knee. It got better. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:06:52 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > My bike has a click/ping/ting sound that happens at the same place in the > pedal stroke (as my right foot nears the bottom of the stroke).

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Bill Lindsay
There are TONS of really helpful videos online showing how normal people can implement tubeless on their own bike. Many of those videos document the makeshift, pragmatic compromises one might need to make to get by with what they have. Sadly, NONE of those videos will be efficiently found by

[RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

2014-04-21 Thread jandrews_nyc
Just a short ride around Prospect Park but so far, they are feeling good. Fast, Cushy, Grippy but somehow they want to move forward I'm really happy I bought them, but I can't believe I spent that much on tires…hopefully they will last awhile.

Re: [RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

2014-04-21 Thread Eric Norris
Having recently purchased both two sets of GB Hetres and a pair-plus-a-spare of the Compass Tires "Stampede Pass," I echo this comment 100%. I certainly hope they last a long, long time. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:55 PM, j

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
Oh I know I can do it but with a new 100 year old house my schedule is full of repairs for the foreseeable future and I would rather have the job done at the lbs so I have one less project On Apr 21, 2014 6:47 PM, "Bill Lindsay" wrote: > There are TONS of really helpful videos online showing how

[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Hechmer
Mark, I fully agree that carbon forks and frames are stronger than many on this list understand. It is also true that carbon and steel forks can survive some front end crashes and that some crashes will destroy any fork. However I am not aware of any manufacture who will guarantee a carbon fo

Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity

2014-04-21 Thread justinaugust
I do not think anyone is showing anyone the door or that anyone is purposefully being offensive - however whenever someone says they have the right to speak offensively this is my new default response: http://xkcd.com/1357/ I repeat: I do not think anyone is showing anyone the door or that anyon

[RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread eflayer
No matter how you fat you are, if you have never had the experience of comparing doing a climb on a 17 lb carbon bike and 22 + lb full steel (Rivendell), I suggest you give it a try and then get back to the group about your opinion of which you prefer. No doubt steel will hold up better through

Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
I rode full suspension aluminum on single track yesterday and man it was fun! Not a bike I would own nor a ride I do often but it's always nice to get outside the bubble every now and then. On Apr 21, 2014 8:16 PM, "eflayer" wrote: > No matter how you fat you are, if you have never had the experi

Re: [RBW] Re: Barlow Pass - using it, liking it

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Morgano
Ooh, prospect Park is in bloom already? I used to live on 15th and park, the ride there is nice, but a bit too many people who really don't know how to ride with other cyclists unfortunately. On Apr 21, 2014 6:55 PM, "jandrews_nyc" wrote: > Just a short ride around Prospect Park but so far, they

Re: [RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

2014-04-21 Thread Eric Daume
I'm guessing it would not fit on the rear of a Fargo. My Niner had pretty exceptional tire clearance, and it didn't workably fit there. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. So it looks as if a 3.0 won't fit on the stock > FV1 fork, but I have been

Re: [RBW] Re: Knard width -- questions for users

2014-04-21 Thread Anne Paulson
I'm pretty sure that a Knard doesn't fit on the rear of the Fargo. It's not just the frame width that's an issue. The Knard is so wide it can interfere with the chain on a bike not designed for it. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > I'm guessing it would not fit on the rear of

[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread WETH
Dear Patrick, last summer they did 30 plus miles on paved trails and roads. They are a year older, stronger, and more opinionated now! We are toying with 5 days for the trip with the following mileage days: 37 miles, 25 mileS, 27 miles, 20 miles, 44 miles (mostly downhill into Cumberland). We

[RBW] Re: GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
I look forward to hearing how it goes and the photos! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@goo

Re: [RBW] Re: Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.

2014-04-21 Thread Jim Bronson
or invisible delamination... On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > Mark, I fully agree that carbon forks and frames are stronger than many on > this list understand. It is also true that carbon and steel forks can > survive some front end crashes and that some crashes will

Re: [RBW] Anyone Using Magnic Lights?

2014-04-21 Thread Eric Norris
P.S. See my video report on the Magnic taillight here (the taillight portion starts at 1:13): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDZcSgucXfE --Eric N On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:45 PM, William! wrote: > Can anyone comment on mounting a rear Magnic light with a rack/panniers? I > run a standard dyn

[RBW] Reviews/Experience Desired - Kucharik Six Panel Wool Shorts

2014-04-21 Thread Corwin
Anybody ever bought and worn these shorts: http://www.kucharikclothing.com/wool-short-6-panel-p-446.html ? I've always ridden with "Andiamo skins" type underwear under thin cotton shorts. So far, no problems - but I think I'm avoiding chafing and other problems based mostly on luck. My saddle

Re: [RBW] Reviews/Experience Desired - Kucharik Six Panel Wool Shorts

2014-04-21 Thread cyclotourist
Kucharik makes good stuff. Can't speak to this particular model, as I have their Traditional shorts http://www.kucharikclothing.com/wool-shorts-traditional-p-347.html On those, sizing is true. They don't over heat me. I'd prefer chamios to the synth pad in there, but really no problems with what I

[RBW] Re: FS: Olive green Sackville BarSack + Nitto BarSack Rack

2014-04-21 Thread Bruce Smitham
Hi Tom, I'm interested in the bag.and rack combo. Can you send me a photo and I'll probably take it. Let me know if you can do a little better and I'll paypal you ASAP. You can email me at: bsmit...@jlohr.com thanks, Bruce On Monday, April 21, 2014 11:07:30 AM UTC-7, Tom Harrop wrote: > > Hi li