I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on television. But I was an interfaith
hospital chaplain for thirteen years and so got the opportunity to talk to
thousands of post surgical patients. My experience only confirms what has
already been written about back surgery. I can offer two clarifying
Own just about one of each, in NW CT.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 1, 2012, at 7:10 PM, "C.J. Filip" wrote:
> Or a Hilsen if I can sell the Atlantis.
>
> On Jun 27, 4:59 pm, "mikel66...@juno.com" wrote:
>> Atlantis, Ram, Saluki, 3 Herons between myself and a friend in Rhode Island
>> ___
I'm really thinning out the herd. What are you looking for?
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
> I can't believe I didn't jump
> on that zinn!! Any tall 26" mtbs lurking in your garage?
>
> The good news is I was out bike camping with my 3 year old son.
>
> - Ryan
>
Hey,
Does anyone have any history on this bike??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290737198501&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Looks pretty interesting. Interested in frame specs but can't find them on
the riv site.
Thanks,
Bruce
--
You received this message because you are su
Bruce - it's z-man's (from the list).
He posted something yesterday, just look a little further down (it's under
something about more bikes for tall riders).
On Monday, July 2, 2012 9:10:06 AM UTC-4, Bruce Baker wrote:
>
> Hey,
> Does anyone have any history on this bike??
>
> http://www.ebay.co
Thanks. Must have been bad vibes from my ex-wife and ex-bank account.
Noted the advice to clear cache, etc. Or perhaps it's traffic. At any
rate, loaded just now in sub 10.
Patrick "happy" Moore
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" grou
Found a home.
On Friday, June 29, 2012 8:12:13 AM UTC-5, Shifty wrote:
>
> It's marked "L" for left side. 1 lever only, intended to shift front
> derailleur. I made a 1 x 9 setup and this shifter is unused. $25 CONUS.
>
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou
As this topic morphs into repacking Grip Kings, I'll mention that ironically, I
just repacked mine two days ago to get rid of clicking!! I too, lubed and
tightened everything and suddenly the light bulb went on: maybe it's the
pedals! When I googled something like, clicking MKS pedals, I immedia
Hey, all,
I've been reading RBW Owners Bunch for a couple of weeks and this is my
first post.
I took the plunge and ordered a Rivendell, it arrived a couple of weeks
ago. A 54cm AHH with 650B wheels.
A bicycle has been part of my commute for the past 10 years or so. I have
several "typic
I was in a similar situation a few months ago while riding a 200k
brevet (hosted by the SFR in case anyone's interested). The dude's
bike had very little space around the rear triangle and 1 of his 24
spokes on his rear wheel broke. Fortunately for him, I'm fairly handy
in bicycle mechanics and had
I absolutely LOVE this bike! I went on a couple longer rides this weekend and
down to the farmers market. While I loved my Surly LHT, the Altantis us just so
much more enjoyable to ride. It also seems to climb better than the LHT. And
what a head turner! I have had more compliments on this bike
Thanks very much!
As interesting and entertaining to read as Grant's writing.
R. Sachs is the real deal.
-JimD
On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Evan wrote:
> Richard Sachs. It's like a serial autobiography, written in fragments, with
> reflections on frames, bikes, business, life:
>
> http://www.
Congrats on the new bike.
My explanation for how your bike rides is simple:
It's a Rivendell, they make great riding bikes!
That's the bottom line for explanations/answers when I'm asked about my custom
Riv.
-JimD
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Jimmy Hutch wrote:
> I'm amazed at how well the Riv
That's a beauty! You really went full Riv on that one - Moustache bars,
Grip Kings, a huge Saddle sack!
Welcome to the club.
-Pete in CT
On Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:23:48 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Hutch wrote:
>
> Hey, all,
>
> I've been reading RBW Owners Bunch for a couple of weeks and this is my
> fir
Just got mine. It's fantastic.
So good, in fact, that my wife actually approved for display indoors!
(It only made the cut for the den, not the living room, but that's better
than the garage..)
-Pete in CT
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:32:33 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> In anticipation of rece
Nice to see there will be one less 23mm fixie around brooklyn when I am
riding out there! Have fun with the AHH, it is a sweet ride.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Peter Pesce wrote:
> That's a beauty! You really went full Riv on that one - Moustache bars,
> Grip Kings, a huge Saddle sack!
>
>
Yes!!
-Original Message-
>From: The Cripler
>Sent: Jul 1, 2012 11:51 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!
>
>I absolutely LOVE this bike! I went on a couple longer rides this weekend and
>down to the farmers
Perhaps for more niche audiences uneasy about the eventual effects of
modernism a l'outrance, but:
Kunstler: http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/07/hostage-racket.html Small
is beautiful because society is going to hell and small will shortly
be all we have left. Writing style makes BSNYC sound like Ja
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Perhaps for more niche audiences uneasy about the eventual effects of
> modernism a l'outrance, but:
>
> Kunstler: http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/07/hostage-racket.html Small
> is beautiful because society is going to hell and small will shor
I like Esteban Del Rio's:
http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners
I like JHK's commentary on urbanism and the American civic landscape -
which he often rides his bike through - a lot, but I too get bored with his
"The End is Nigh!" sandwich-boarding that has been going on for at least 13
years by my count - he was big on the Y2K computer catastrophe back in th
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Peter Pesce wrote:
> I like JHK's commentary on urbanism and the American civic landscape - which
> he often rides his bike through - a lot, but I too get bored with his "The
> End is Nigh!" sandwich-boarding that has been going on for at least 13 years
> by my cou
So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like
them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm
Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on
the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD
cag
Just curious, is the front shifter slipping or is the front derailuer just
rubbing?
If it only happens during hard efforts, it may be due to frame flex rather
than shifter slip. I'm assuming you are in the big ring and try to hammer
when the frame flexes away and effectively tries to stretch the l
I'm 6' 1" & 200 lbs, but I usually only stand up to crest short rollers
w/out downshifting. I sit on longer climbs. I have silver DT and BE with
9 speed cassettes. I don't get any slipping in the front, except every
once in a great, great while, when the D ring has worked loose. I do get
s
For what it's worth, I use bar-end Silver Shifters and get the
front-derailleur-rubbing-issue when out of the saddle climbing on my
Atlantis. I can look down and watch the frame flex as I do this if it's a
very steep hill. Sometimes I'll remember to pre-adjust the shifter lever
before I begin a cli
OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements." So
consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
couple of
Thanks guys (and all of you who have replied off-list.)!
I got a chance to ride with him and see the cockpit of his mtb.
Whew. Anything would be better. We're heading to Walnut Creek today,
so I imagine he'll have some specific questions soon!
- J
--
You received this message because yo
My bar-end shifters got moved to the DT on my 65 AHH. I don't have the part
your'e looking for. I do have DT shifters on a big-ish frame. Yeah, they're
a ways down there, especially since I switched to Alba bars, but I'm not a
frequent shifter so it's fine. My other bike has a busy cockpit so th
I use a triple and have often thought of going to a double, but then I get
on a 14% incline and don't feel like mashing up it so I shift to my granny
gear and realize I will always be a triple kind of guy.
I have to say my favorite inventions right now are the great 650b tires
out there. Pari
I have the same issue... Silver DT shifters that slip the FD when I power
up. My M.O. has been to adjust it when it slips/rubs. Most of my riding is
relatively short distance/time around town so it's rarely an issue. I can
imagine how it could become a nuisance on a longer ride. I've tried a
va
I know they arent new to the world but after doing MTBing for many years
the riser stem and bar combo were a revelation. The fact that you didnt
need to have your bars "slammed" to ride the acceptable way took a while to
foment in my brain but it has been a comfort revoution.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 a
Hi Chris,
I'm 56 and had a percutaneous (sp?) disectomy and lower lombar lamenectomy
done in 1987. I took two to three months out before doing anything to
strenous, except for mounting my bike on a trainer and riding for about 20
minutes a night for a few weeks until confident to take the bike
LED lights and dynamo hubs. The quality of system available today is
exponentially better than 10-15 years ago.
On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> nuanced relationship with technological
On Jul 2, 9:08 am, Scott Henry wrote:
> Just curious, is the front shifter slipping or is the front derailuer just
> rubbing?
> If it only happens during hard efforts, it may be due to frame flex rather
> than shifter slip. I'm assuming you are in the big ring and try to hammer
> when the frame f
+1 !!
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:48 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!
LED lights and dynamo hubs. The
Does this fall inside or outside of that 35 years? http://tinyurl.com/6qoelw3
Me: fixies!
Since ~ 1977? More or less in order of importance FOR ME, orders
subject to change at my whim"
Rivendells
Decent wired-on tires
Trickle-down, outstanding chromo etc. butted tubing
Mountain bikes
Cassett
Just got mine today. Love it. Beautiful stuff.
Also, since I waited for the surprise, I of course now wanted to see it on
the riv site and on the DLG site, and came across the description on the
DLG site of the poster, and loved it, wanted to share:
*In 1957 I was 12 years old. I had a paper
Mike
This is a very common issue with several very simple fixes. I apologize in
advance for a long post
As you know, there's a spring in the front derailer that wants to pull the
chain down to the small ring. The only thing stopping that from happening
is the friction in the shiftlever. If
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements." So
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
> in this unscientific
The huge-clearance, dual pivot, sidepull brake (like the Silver) that inspired the creation of the AHH.
-Original Message- From: "Allingham II, Thomas J" Sent: Jul 2, 2012 10:50 AM To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'" Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!
+1 !!
Fro
Rivendell's new fork, the one with the awesome crown and double eyelet drop
out. It came on my SimpleOne. Amazing!
Dave Nawrocki
Fort Collins, CO
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-
Not that I've ever needed it, but I always carry a kevlar spoke with
me on all of my bikes...
Toshi
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from
Hey William, I appreciate the response. There's clearly good
information here. The one thing is, this isn't generally an issue when
using BE shifters and has never been a problem with Shimano BE
shifters. Later this week I'll have my Surly CC back on the road and
that has Shimano BE shifters on it.
Thanks for the suggestions William. Just for fun I ran down to the garage
and filed a "smidge" off the bolt that holds the shift lever to the DT boss
and was able to get the lever significantly tighter. I did a few laps up
and down the hill in front of my house and no FD slippage.
Funny coinci
I didn't start cycling as an adult until well past the MTB boom years, so
wide-range and compact gearing have always existed to me... I'd not want to
time-travel back to being limited to square taper cranks, threaded headsets, or
cantilever brakes, but I can live with any of these on an otherwis
I've been much happier with DA downtube shifters than Silvers. But
with barcons the Silvers are great.
Ryan
On Jul 2, 8:24 am, Mike wrote:
> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like
> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm
> Hilsen o
I'm a big fan of those new-fangled road bikes with 36-50 compact cranks,
good tire clearance, and rack/fender eyelets. Which Grant invented. In
1992. Bridgestone XO-1.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, July 2, 2012 12:38:00 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
> I didn't start cyc
I wonder if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame *with
the exact same dimensions*, *in both steel and CF* for about the same price
which would you choose ?
For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the
size and dimensions I prefer do not exis
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
>
> I wonder if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame
> with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the
> same price which would you choose ?
Steel, without question. I have no interest whatever in carbon
Having owned both I would never go back to CF, sold my look KG96 a while
ago to someone who really really wanted it and was glad to see it go.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if everyone had the choice
Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to
consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant.
Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium
rather than CF simply because ti's durability is a given while at
least many question the
I've just learned what I can make of much of that scrap strip leather
I bought last winter from Tandy. Excellent!
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
My favorite "new" cycling innovation: Surly Junk Strap.
--
"Push back against the age as hard as it pushes again
Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it would
be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost sense though.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to
> consider that five or si
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:09 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to
> consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant.
> Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium
> rather than CF simply beca
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:28 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it
> would be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost
> sense though.
And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are
there?
--
You
Not with the clearance for 42s, that is a pipe dream for sure
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:28 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it
> > would be a tempting proposition, not sure it
On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:35:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are
> there?
>
>
> My proposition was a hypothetical Steve . the dimensions of the bikes
> "could" be identical ... no matter if it's a Bomba, Atlantis,
Steel for me. I chuckle every time I read an ad or review about some carbon
bike that has "achieved" a comfortable ride.
I love the way steel bikes look, and feel. I even love the little "ping"
they make when something taps a tube.
If I had all the money in the world to spend on one bike it woul
Yeah Patrick , I've never ridden or owned a CF frame so any information is
"second hand" ... lol. The "feel" of a CF may have a lot to do with the
geometry used also and you don't really know where a person is coming
from in saying it feels "dead". You really can't compare steel and CF
d
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 13:47 -0700, Garth wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:35:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like
> that, are
> there?
>
>
> My proposition w
I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With the
size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty easily and
that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a bike down to 15
lbs won't make me like biking anymore than I already do, it won't make th
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:04 -0700, RJM wrote:
> I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With
> the size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty
> easily and that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a
> bike down to 15 lbs won't make me like
Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own
prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! Just
becasue so and so says it was this or that . It may be true for them...
but is it true for me ? And if your favourite frame *could be* 5 pounds
light
Garth-
I think the point to be gleaned from the responses to your hypothetical is
that many people feel that duplicating the geometry of a given bike in a
different material does *not* make it the same bike, only lighter. A bike
is more than the sum of the geometry angles plus weight. For many p
Own just one. That's enough.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AKh3uJJVEjMJ.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@go
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:23 -0700, Garth wrote:
>
> Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own
> prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about !
> Just becasue so and so says it was this or that . It may be true for
> them... but is it true for me ?
Interesting discussion -- the RBWlist equivalent of discussing angels
dancing on the points of pins, but interesting. (Actually, the
possibly legendary discussion of angels on pins is interesting to in
that it really bears on the different meanings -- and modes -- of
"presence:" presence of locatio
Steve If everyone on earth stopped using their imagination there
would be no more life. Life IS imagination .
Where does anything come from ? Bicycles? Cars ? Buildings? etc. etc.
Someone had to imagine them into being . They were not dropped off to us
by a band of cycling al
good shape. mounting straps not included (thats i how got it). patch not sewn
on but included (thats also how i got it). see pic. $45 shipped
mike goldman
warwick,r.i.
FREE Credit Score Trial!
Credit Scores & Monitoring Service. 30-day F
I carry both the Park Tool SW-0 Spoke Wrench tool (0.127" nipples) and
a FiberFix kevlar emergency replacement spoke. In the few instances
that I've broken a spoken, however, it was sufficient to remove the
spoke with a spoke wrench and continue riding for a moderate distance
home (obviously, the
I recently bought a 56 AHH frame from Peter, and I have to agree its a
wonderful bike. My current setup is much less "full riv" than yours. A
bit closer to a late 70's race bike. I took my first ride outside the
neighborhood last weekend and found myself thinking "I have got to get
myself one of th
42/52 and 13-23 eh? I recall 44/52 and a 14-18 straight block.
Of course after 30+ years and a relocation, now I'm thinking about
28/44 and a 12-36.
On Jul 2, 9:43 am, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> nuanced relationship with techn
You guys are all correct with your observations
1. Silvers don't slip in Barend configuration. Correct. This has two
reasons. A. The receptacle (boss) into which the D-ring threads is way
deeper, so it's impossible to bottom out. B. More cable and housing means
more flex (stretch) can so
My favorite? Might be the larger sized frame Surly LHT available with 26"
wheels. Am able to realize what I had been trying to get my bikes to do
back in the mid 1980's. Somewhat wide tires, with long chainstays and drop
bars.
And yes, an Atlantis will do the same thing, but frame sizes above 5
I want more than enough
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:00 PM, malarz wrote:
> Own just one. That's enough.
>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/
I got myself a set, courtesy of Scot. Thanks man! The list provides:)
Headed out to the garage to try 'em out.
Rob in Seattle
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.goo
I want to thank all of those who shared their personal experience. As
a result I don't feel so alone and have some hope and good points to
follow. My spinal cord got nicked in procedure and had to be sewn
up. This wrinkle limits my physical activity in the short run.
Tomorrow I will get the sta
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 15:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> As I said ... it's all our choice of beliefs ... everything. The only
> thing that stops us from creating a 50 mpg 50 hp truck, a 3lb.
> Bomabadil frame, or whatever we imagine Is not allowing our
> imagination to imagine the possibility.
S
I had a discectomy in high school -
I strongly urge you to be rigorous in following your PT routine. I didn't
follow mine, and have had troubles off and on since then.
Best of luck to you, and take it slow. You don't want to be screwing with
your back.
--
You received this message becaus
Someone here buy this (not mine) quick--whatta deal!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Road-Frame-Joe-Starck-built-Joe-Bell-paint-/251099407862?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item3a76b0e5f6#ht_1262wt_66
Ryan
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" gr
FWIW, I still remember how in my pre-Rivendell life I had a steel Gunnar
cyclocross bike that naturally came with a steel fork. Since at the time I
believed carbon was better (but somehow loved how the Gunnar rode more than
my high-end Specialized Roubaix), I ordered a carbon fork right away (and
r
I'm relatively new to cycling (started back in 2008) and luckily I got off
to a good start by focusing on low gearing, big tires, and being
comfortable on the bike. In terms of developments that I like, I'm really
digging the decaleurs that Velo-Orange introduced a couple of years back. I
took
Has anyone seen Mystery Bike with paint on it yet? The Blug updates dropped
off when Grant went on his book tour.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW
Owners Bunch" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://
The combination of comfortably shaped brake levers (Tektro, Campy, SRAM)
and compact (short, shallow, non-anatomic bend) drop bars with flat ramps.
Clipless pedals are right up there too.
Bill
Stockton, CA
On Monday, July 2, 2012 9:43:13 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> OK, admittedly a bit
I've got a new to me bike coming out of the shop this week with
new...yes you guessed it...down tube silvers. I had some Silver bar-
enders ready to go but changed my mind at the last minute. The bar-
end shifters on my Bleriot have been flawless for 5 years. Hopefully
the down-tubers do the tri
I agree with Steve, and share his wholehearted disinterest in CF.
Riding a bike, for me, has nothing to do with eking out every milligram of
performance. A customer lady asked me last week if I was a "racer". My
response was an entirely unplanned and unrehearsed: "Nope, I ride my bike
for tran
Appears to have a Joe Bell paint job. Very nice. I am tempted - but this
frame does not differ significantly from my custom. Hard to justify the
expense. But I agree - this is a fantastic deal!
Corwin
On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:25:18 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:
>
> Someone here buy this (not mine) q
88 matches
Mail list logo
