Murray,
I have a bunch of Brooks saddles. The newer ones "give" as you
described. Some of the older ones were like oak planks.
Cheers!
On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Murray Love wrote:
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris love
>
All of my B17's take about 3 to 5 thousand miles to make them give as
you described, and I weigh 210. I have bought 3 B17's Campion Specials
in the last 3 years and they are all planks. Your weight makes a big
difference on break in time. Also how much conditioners or oil were
put in the saddle, t
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love wrote:
>
> I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels to me like its
> saggy. When I press in the area of
On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Bill Connell wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love wrote:
>
> > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
> > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the saddle,
> > so I assumed it would be super tight, yet it feels
Is it the big rivet one or small rivet one. I had a new small rivet b17 a few
years back that was quite saggy pretty quick. It felt like the leather was just
not as thick and stiff.
Joe
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:02:23 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks Saddle question
> From: phi...@sonic.net
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Phil Bickford wrote:
>
> On Feb 18, 7:38 am, Bill Connell wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chris love wrote:
>>
>> > I just bought a used Brooks B17 and I'm curious how it should feel
>> > before I raise a stink. Seller claimed only 250 miles on the s
We have six Brooks saddles in our fleet and some are thinner leather
than others. Different cows I suppose!!
My Champion Flyer broke in within 50 miles, my first B17 took around
500 miles and the one on my single speed has well over 1000 miles and
is still hard as a rock but oddly its the most
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Joe Bartoe wrote:
> Is it the big rivet one or small rivet one. I had a new small rivet b17 a
> few years back that was quite saggy pretty quick. It felt like the leather
> was just not as thick and stiff.
>
> Joe
>
It really doesn't seem like there's an indepen
I really like BQ and look forward to every issue, but I too have
doubts about the tests. I own two products Jan has tested - the Ebisu
All Purpose frame and Paul's neo retros. I agree with everything Jan
wrote about the frame - it's great. But on the other hand I have
found the Paul's brakes to
The Brooks B-17 Champion Special on my Ram has 1,400 miles on it. It's still
about as firm as new, but plenty comfy. It has only been treated with
Proofhide a few times, as recommended. My weight hovers around 175-180. I
can't relate to the "saggy"-ness or the way leather saddles take on the
Quoting David Estes :
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Chris wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 7:52 am, Mike wrote:
>> > On Feb 17, 6:29 am, clyde canter wrote:
>> > Anyone following the Tour of California? It's been amazing to hear
>> > about how many "mechanicals" riders are having due to the wea
Just a note on the decals for someone who asked. Rivendell sells them
for $10.00. Here's the link:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/odds_and_ends?a=1&page=all#product=31-453
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I'm with you there. It's a great publication but the "real world
tests" are petty hokey-kind of like some high-school science fair
project. The fork deflection test was the best of all with the things
that looked like soda syrup cans used as weights. The roll test down
the little ramp was dumb
To be fair to Jan, while the tests are not perfect in the scientific sense,
they beat the pants off any of the so-called "tests" and "shoot-outs"
happing in the mainstream cycling rags, and those guys should actually have
more money to fund things like that. I wish more of those publications would
Ha! "Ordinary cyclists" call for the wife to bring the SUV, then drop
the bike off at the bike shop.
On Feb 18, 12:56 pm, palin...@his.com wrote:
> Quoting David Estes :
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Chris wrote:
>
> >> On Feb 17, 7:52 am, Mike wrote:
> >> > On Feb 17, 6:29 am, cl
Hey Patrick,
I have at least one and I think a pair of those bags. I bought them several
years back because there were "cool" and not expensive. They are still
sitting in the box. I would part with it/them for not much at all if you're
curious...
Doug
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:08 AM, PATRICK
I agree. BQ tests are worlds better than the big mag's tests, which
are generally preposterous (I have been a loyal Cyclingnews.com reader
since its inception, but its testing is useless--"super stiff" this
and "massively-oversized" that).
RGZ: I don't find the test designs in BQ lacking, actuall
I think that the leather used in Brooks saddles has definitely changed
over the years, with an emphasis on having a saddle that softens up
rather quickly. The first Brooks saddle that I owned, which came as
standard equipment on a 1977 Schwinn Deluxe Touring Paramount model (I
still have this bic
The panniers are great. I bought them for about fifty dollars on eBay,
and I know now they sell for much less but I don't mind, they are more
than worth it to me. They work very well, and hold enough for most day
trips to the market or in bad weather when you need a sizable change
of clothes inclu
I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer, B17,
B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type saddles
comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and Turbos, but my
problem has never been "hardness". The one Brooks I used on my commuter for
at least
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Joe Bernard
wrote:
>
> Ha! "Ordinary cyclists" call for the wife to bring the SUV, then drop
> the bike off at the bike shop.
So *that's* what real racing demands: uxorial tech support!
Patrick "yes, it's correct, I looked it up" Moore
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On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 16:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer,
> B17, B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type
> saddles comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and
> Turbos, but my problem has never be
Break-in for my Brooks saddles isn't an issue. I have them on almost
all of my bikes, and they have been (with one exception) comfortable
right out of the box. They get *more* comfortable as they get more
use (the saddle on my Quickbeam has the most miles in it, and it
supremely comfy).
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
> Hey Patrick,
>
> I have at least one and I think a pair of those bags. I bought them
> several years back because there were "cool" and not expensive. They are
> still sitting in the box. I would part with it/them for not much at all if
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Benji wrote:
>
> The panniers are great. I bought them for about fifty dollars on eBay,
> and I know now they sell for much less but I don't mind, they are more
> than worth it to me. They work very well, and hold enough for most day
> trips to the market or in ba
on 2/18/09 3:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
> How many of y'all find that the oft-described breaking in makes a big
> difference in a Brooks type saddle? Or -- as so many of you have described
> your breaking in process, let me ask: how many of you found Brookses and ilk
> comf
Doesn't history tell us that Campagnola invented the quick release after his
frustration with wing nuts? Perhaps some new spark of genius may occur if
the riders did have to look after their own service work.
"Let's see now, tonight I have to charge up the i-Pod, cell phone & shifter
batteries
You've got a really cool bike that’s distinctive for about 1/2 of what you'd
pay for a production touring bike (e.g., Trek 520). Plus of course your
time & trouble but call it sweat equity. You done good!
dougP
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I hear a lot about "breaking in" a Brooks and I've used: Ideal, Flyer, B17,
> B17N, and Pro. Now I've never found Brooks and Brooks-type saddles
> comfortable, or, at least, as comfortable as Flites and Turbos, but my
> problem has never bee
Mine were all comfy from the start and way better than any synthetic,
foam type ones I tried. Once I got the bar height thing right I've
had very few comfort issues. Only when I have used gel shorts has my
backside been uncomfortable (it bunches up). Of course rides over 50
miles start to bother
On Feb 18, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Andrew Karre wrote:
> RGZ: I don't find the test designs in BQ lacking, actually. The wind
> tunnel test was excellent and I know some people I respect are dubious
> about the tire test, but it makes a lot more sense to me than a steel
> drum. Where I have quibbles i
Woa.
Now in color.
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/73/original_RR41_color.pdf
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM, John at Rivendell wrote:
>
> Read more, and it, here-
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/112
>
>
> >
>
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You receiv
I have several Brooks saddles, a B17 Champ Special, a B15, a B66, and
a Champ flyer. Despite having the same shape as the B17/15, the Flyer
was always a problem for me. It had a 'hump' down the middle that put
too much pressure on my soft tissues. Tilting it forward just made me
slide forward a
For Sale, one WoolyWarm Sweater-Jersey LS Derby Tweed, size Men's
Medium. In as-new condition, I've worn this on (at most) three short
rides and washed once (cold/gentle w/Ivory Snow, then air-dried; no
detected shrinkage). Absolutely no holes, tears, snags, loose seams,
missing buttons, moth ho
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Bill M. wrote:
>
>
>
> I spent an hour or so alternating between riding around the block and
> rather indelicately poking at myself through the saddle, and trimming
> the slot where I felt contact.
I'm sorry, but this just has to be a Monty Python skit! (Starring
Looks great!
On Feb 16, 8:43 pm, Benji wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've worked pretty hard, with very little money, to take an old frame
> and make it look new.
>
> I'm curious to see what you all think, let me know.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/benjib/
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I've got different versions of B-17's on 6 of my 7 bikes. Never had
an issue with breaking in. I do think the newer ones are much more
likely to sag than the older ones. Today I rode my 72 PX-10 with a
B-17 of the same era and the leather on that thing is thick and rock
hard...still very comfo
Love the color. Love the instant accessiblilty. Can't read it for
more than 5 minutessorry tried...will gladly buy the paper version
when it's available.
On Feb 18, 7:51 pm, Chris Halasz wrote:
> Woa.
>
> Now in color.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/73/original_RR41_color.pdf
>
I just printed it out on a black and white laser printer and put in a
three-ring binder.
Rene
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