I guess (last being the important word) that the higher pressures of road
tires somehow help Stan's work in road tubes. At any rate, it didn't work
for me in fat tires at off road pressures.
Cuss and grin; cuss and grin -- that rather sums it up, no? (Instead of
pump and cuss.)
On Thu, Apr 24, 2
I'm using Stan's both in a tubeless MTB set up and in tubes on my
Quickbeam, among other road bikes, and it seems to work about the same way
in both. Hear a hiss from a puncture, cuss, stop and look for it--see a
little fountain of Stan's shooting out of the tire, spin tire, the hiss and
fountain
I understand the nature of the term "field-expedient", but in this case, the
field-expedient approach would be to use a tube!
I had Stan's sealant in the split-tube tubeless tires of my Moonlander for over
a year, including the past winter when our count of below-zero (F) days
numbered at leas
I do not think anyone is showing anyone the door or that anyone is purposefully
being offensive - however whenever someone says they have the right to speak
offensively this is my new default response: http://xkcd.com/1357/
I repeat: I do not think anyone is showing anyone the door or that anyon
Oh I know I can do it but with a new 100 year old house my schedule is full
of repairs for the foreseeable future and I would rather have the job done
at the lbs so I have one less project
On Apr 21, 2014 6:47 PM, "Bill Lindsay" wrote:
> There are TONS of really helpful videos online showing how
There are TONS of really helpful videos online showing how normal people
can implement tubeless on their own bike. Many of those videos document
the makeshift, pragmatic compromises one might need to make to get by with
what they have.
Sadly, NONE of those videos will be efficiently found by
Sweet, I will check out my local shops to see if any of them are with the
program. Thanks!
On Apr 21, 2014 5:17 PM, "Patrick Moore" wrote:
> Vaughn at Stevie's did my split tube conversion and apparently does this
> routinely where a Stan's liner won't work. From their website, linked off
> of Gy
Vaughn at Stevie's did my split tube conversion and apparently does this
routinely where a Stan's liner won't work. From their website, linked off
of Gypsy by Trade, Fat Tire Bicycles has specialized in split tube
conversions. Both ABQ shops so no use to you, but in general answer to your
question,
Agreed. But again, anyone know of a bike shop that has done the split tube
method or too much time for them to bother with?
On Apr 21, 2014 5:08 PM, "Patrick Moore" wrote:
> One last post on this: yes, we need to respect others' sense of offense.
> But one is entirely permitted to exercise one's
One last post on this: yes, we need to respect others' sense of offense.
But one is entirely permitted to exercise one's judgment on what manifests
excessive sensitivity on a given issue. I make no judgment at all about the
OP's character; perhaps and hopefully he is a far better human being than
I
I've had mixed results inside tubes. Tubeless set up is perfect, I've
sealed up after punctures by barbed wire. But in the tubes, sometimes works
fine, sometimes not. Most recently picked up about six goatheads and none
of them sealed. Prior to that, had a couple that did seal. So maybe 50/50
for m
It's up to all of us to try and use more appropriate terminology in life.
Saying it doesn't offend us is somewhat meaningless since we should be
concerned about the people it does offend. While the pc police can get a
bit out of control having lived down south for a long time I often hearrd
the ter
For me -- statistical sample of 1:
30 mm Parigi Roubaix, 60-65 psi, tubes. I did not try these tubeless.
Before: a goathead flat every 2 to 5 miles; used, literally, 20 patches in
one week.
After: no flat in 700 miles; Stan's still entirely liquid after 12 mos.
55 mm (as measured, 50 mm labele
Does Stans really work well inside tubes? Seems to me, to be effective, sealant
needs air to harden and seal. I know Stans works well in tubeless tires and
rims, I've tried it, but inside tubes I'm not so sure.
Richard
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I don't want to elaborate too much here, since this already stretches the
thread dangerously, but as a single father with far less money than my
daughter's mother, who is the principal custodian parent, I can't agree
that we are more oppressed than others in our country. Stop and frisk?
Back to "g
If you want to know repressed, be a father in divorce court. Single
fathers are the most abused segment of modern society - in every court, in
taxes, in custody - if you read our stated rights in divorce decrees, it
literally states that we have the right to pay our our money.
On Monday, Apr
You don't always have the benefit of proper tools and repair parts out
in the field, and sometimes lives depend on getting equipment working.
Best part of Apollo 13 movie was the scene where the ground engineers take
a box of what the astronauts had to work with and helped device a plan to
sa
On 04/21/2014 07:25 AM, Anton Tutter wrote:
Ha! I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm
jotting this one down.
Absolutely. I was an Ordnance Corps. officer many years ago, and we
actually had a class in Field Expedients. I recall them telling us
about how to gap poin
Ha! I love that. "Field-expedient" can be applied to anything! I'm jotting
this one down.
Anton
On Sunday, April 20, 2014 2:58:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/20/2014 11:04 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> > I really dislike the term "ghetto tubeless". I have used and ge
I did the "legit" Stan's method with two layers of the yellow plastic tape,
then the rubber strip with the valve. Big Apples would not mount up at all,
they just blew around from the compressor air. Marathon Supremes mounted
easily, as did Vee Rubber 2.2" Flying Vees. The mechanic said, "Those m
I wasn't present when they adapted the rims, but I understand that they
used tape to build up the rim bed so that the split inner tube liner would
be high enough to create an effective seal.
I gather that they used a *lot* of tape; so much that there was no weight
saved by jettisoning the 200-250g
I think we used a Stan's rim strip to cover the holes (Rabbit Hole Rims)
and then either one or two layers of Gorilla Tape over that. So far so
good, and they even re-inflated with a hand pump when I put more Stan's in.
I was going to go split-tube next if it didn't work... It seems like
fol
Relax, folks, there are appropriate terms to describe such improvisation.
"Jury-rigged" suggests improvisation in an emergency, as does
"MacGyvered." "Jerry-built" signifies "very shoddily constructed." The
two are often conflated to "Jerry-rigged," which means organized or
constructed in a
I'm with your suggestion Steve; "Field Expedient tubeless".
I'm all about the intellectual agility to know what you don't have, what
you want to do and coming up with a way to accomplish it anyway!
My raters used several terms to describe that process/product method when
in the service, all we
So there are two styles of Improvised Tubeless Conversion? The Split Tube
method, and the Gorilla Tape method? Those terms are actually descriptive.
I used a Stan's kit to turn non-tubeless rims and tires into a decent tubeless
setup. I'm a fan.
Philip
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Hi Anne,
I've been running Knards (29 X 3) on my Krampus tubeless for several months
with no problems. I used a couple layers of Gorilla Tape. I run them at 9
psi rear and 7 psi front with no problems and haven't had a flat yet. FWIW
they're lighter now, too, but I primarily did it for low ps
Thank you Jim. I've been struggling with the words to say regarding this phrase
and you explained it perfectly.
-Justin
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On 04/20/2014 11:04 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
I really dislike the term "ghetto tubeless". I have used and generally endorse
the method of this type of improvised tubeless conversion (with certain rims) and don't
see any reason to describe it with a racist term.
Perhaps "field
Och! Jim. This is precisely the divineness to which I was referring.
Sardonic grin. I am sorry I made my point ineptly. Thank you for informing
me that ghetto is on the list of never to use words.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:52:32 AM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Deacon Patrick, you are free to use whatever language you like. My perspective
is that the word "ghetto" used as an adjective in this way is demeaning, and
that we should think twice before casually using the term. In my youth, old
guys would have said "n_-rigged" , which had a similar conno
My point is this: Racism (an inherent evil) gives rise to a number of
"cures" which seem to me to perpetuate victimhood, among them the plethora
of words that get labeled as blanket racist words. There ought to be a far
more effective cure. Oh, wait. There is. Given us on Easter. Love and
compa
IMO these split-tube conversions don't save weight, but they provide a measure
of puncture resistance. More importantly, I feel that the ride quality is
enhanced because the lack of tube makes the tire effectively more supple.
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So you think "ghetto" is anti-semetic???
Patrick "racist-ish-ally mixed (maylay/chinese/spanish/english/scotch
(heheheh) irish and probably other woodpile additions, with jokes for all
of them" Moore, who has taken an eternal vow never, ever to be excessively
earnest.
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 9:0
Yeah, low pressure is no problem.
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 9:43 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
> That's the easy way to do it! :-)
>
> Unless you want the low pressure and puncture protection though. If you
> don't flat a lot, then no big deal. And you already probably can run them
> at pretty low press
That's the easy way to do it! :-)
Unless you want the low pressure and puncture protection though. If you
don't flat a lot, then no big deal. And you already probably can run them
at pretty low pressure due to their volume.
For me, low pressure doesn't matter much. But like Patrick, the puncture
I should probably just switch from tubes that weigh 410 grams each to tubes
that weigh less, then.
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 9:21 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
> Anne, tubeless set ups aren't really for saving weight. Their main
> benefits are riding at lower pressure w/out pinchflatting (similar to
> t
On Apr 20, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> "Ghetto" is a racist term now? I've always understood it to be a reference to
> the economics of a neighborhood. For it to be racist do we not have to be
> applying a very narrow point of reference at any time and place in history?
> And t
Anne, tubeless set ups aren't really for saving weight. Their main benefits
are riding at lower pressure w/out pinchflatting (similar to tubulars) and
more importantly (for me) puncture protection. There's usually a minor
weight savings, but it's minimal at best.
Cheers,
David
"it isn't a contest
The term "ghetto" is used by many as a coded racial term. In any case, the
word's history is not exactly positive for various groups of oppressed people
who've been relegated to living in ghettos. For us to use it as a term for any
improvised or haphazard mechanical solution on our expensive bic
Ooh, thanks.
I was hoping I'd save more weight than 50 grams, though. Seems like I could
use a split tube that was a lot lighter than the one pound plus 29 x 3
tubes I have in the bike now. But maybe I should just try putting a lighter
tube into the tire and see how that works out.
On Sun, Apr 2
Anne, I was under the impression that the Stans simply goes into the tube,
and gets installed the same as it otherwise would. Thus, I'm not following
your split tube description.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:24:01 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> OK, so the split tube meth
"Ghetto" is a racist term now? I've always understood it to be a reference
to the economics of a neighborhood. For it to be racist do we not have to
be applying a very narrow point of reference at any time and place in
history? And the people who live in ghettos absolutely get creative in
achie
http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/02/fat-tire-tubeless-conversions.html?m=1
For a 29x3, 4-6 fl oz of Stan's or Caffelatex.
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OK, so the split tube method (I don't like the other term either), how
should I do it, for a 29 x 3 tire? Get a 26 x 2 tube, stretch in on the
rim, split it? Then install the tire so that the edges of the tube are
sticking out on the outside? Then inflate the tire, hoping that it doesn't
leak air,
I really dislike the term "ghetto tubeless". I have used and generally endorse
the method of this type of improvised tubeless conversion (with certain rims)
and don't see any reason to describe it with a racist term.
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Thanks, Patrick. I'm thinking about trying ghetto-tubeless with my Knards
on my new bike. Or regular tubeless, maybe.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
> This might be useful to some. This month marks a full year of Stan's in
> the 700CX28 tubes inside the Parigi Roubaix on
Leaving the goatheads on the wheels is the worst thing to do, as that just
distributes them far and wide. Pull them out and nuke them from orbit. It's
the only way to be sure.
Cheers,
David
"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
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