Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

I'm going to go out on a limb here, Esteban and predict that's not the first time you used "nattering nabobs" in your writing. :) On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 4:27:06 PM UTC-7, Esteban wrote: > > Here's my take, happily referencing Grant's writing: > > http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

...or maybe the /_rake and trail_/ of carbon forks?! Pleeeze? On 10/2/2012 4:50 PM, cyclotourist wrote: Awesome discussion guys. Can we now move on to the merits of carbon fibre forks? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, dougP > wrote: So, if you're riding a bicycl

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Awesome discussion guys. Can we now move on to the merits of carbon fibre forks? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, dougP wrote: > So, if you're riding a bicycle sans helmet there may be some confusion > as to your identity? > > dougP > > On Oct 2, 10:02 am, Peter Morgano wrote: > > It was one of

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Here's my take, happily referencing Grant's writing: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/a-million-little-nannies Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:02:59 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > It was one of the reasons given here in NYC for mandating a helmet law, so > that

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

When I moved out of monticello we lived near High Point NJ for about 15 years, where the riding was about as you describe it. Pretty punishing back then on a 10 speed but I was young and didnt mind it, especially since my dad could keep up with me mile for mile and I had something to prove. I dont

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 15:57 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: > Hey, I grew up in Monticello, NY. My mom taught at the high school, we > moved out when I was around 8-9. Lived in beautiful Jeffersonville, > next to the cemetary. Good fishing country. My dad used to go hunting > up there with my grandfath

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Exactly Tim.Those findings in Minnesota jive with the stats I posted above.Biggest players in traumatic brain injuries, or TBIs as they're called, seem to be motor vehicles and firearms.Seems there is no shortage of stuff we can make laws about if we want to reduce the incidence of

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Hey, I grew up in Monticello, NY. My mom taught at the high school, we moved out when I was around 8-9. Lived in beautiful Jeffersonville, next to the cemetary. Good fishing country. My dad used to go hunting up there with my grandfather until he passed away. I imagine that would be good riding up

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Tue, 2012-10-02 at 13:46 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: > Bicycling is safe. The general perception of bicycling now is that it > is a brain injury waiting to happen. I am old enough to well remember > when that public perception changed: when plastic bike helmets hit > the market ca. 1975. Bicy

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Rex Kerr wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: >> >> >> Perhaps it would seem that way but the facts are otherwise. The Minnesota >> Department of Health report a few years ago found that pedestrian brain >> injuries far exceeded bike relat

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > Perhaps it would seem that way but the facts are otherwise. The Minnesota > Department of Health report a few years ago found that pedestrian brain > injuries far exceeded bike related brain injuries. So did brain injuries > from motor ve

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:03 PM, David Yu Greenblatt wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 07:53 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> >> > One doesn't spend much time worrying about head protection while >> > walking. >> >> Falls while walking sel

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

I honestly wouldn't have considered wearing a helmet before I had kids. Now I have to do it at least for example. I let my daughter ride up and down the hill without her helmet, but I still cringe when I see her coming down the hill at a clip. I've also seen her at 35 mph on hills, but that

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Yes, those stats seem on the mark to me. It would be interesting to unpack the "Falls" category, however. My guess is that very very few would involve healthy alert people falling down while walking or running or engaging in common daily activities. In my limited and anecdotal experience as a surge

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

According to the Pituitary Society, the causes of traumatic brain injury are: 39% Firearms 34% Vehicle Accidents 10% Falls 17% Other According to the national Brain Injury Association , the leading causes of brain

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The only time I got hit by a car was walking across the street, legally. Girl made a left and rolled me over the hood hard onto the ground. I didnt get up and blame myself for not wearing a helmet and/or other safety gear or for having the audacity to walk across the street, which clearly is just

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 07:53 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > One doesn't spend much time worrying about head protection while > > walking. > > Falls while walking seldom involve a head injury. > > I think Steve makes a good point here. It

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It was one of the reasons given here in NYC for mandating a helmet law, so that people could more easily "identify" cyclists. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > Huh? Been riding seriously for more than 30 years, and this is a first. > > –Eric N > Sent from my iPhone 5 > > On Oc

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Huh? Been riding seriously for more than 30 years, and this is a first. –Eric N Sent from my iPhone 5 On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Peter Morgano wrote: > I just hate when people say cyclists need to wear helmets so they can be > observed and "identified" -- You received this message because

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

For the record I always wear a helmet. I also go back to check to see if I locked the front door, pick the seat near the conductor on the subway, wait on the sidewalk for the light to change, etc. As a freedom loving liberal though I dont feel at all that my neurosis should be applied to society at

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

It would be great to be continually breaking the law whenever I rode my bicycle. As it is, I only get to break the law here and there when riding my bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the we

RE: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Yes - the question of whether society should or should not require helmet use involves some importantly different policy considerations than any given individual's decision whether to use one. For myself (as one who probably avoided more serious injury in a bad (self-induced) crash because of a

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:08 -0700, Joe Broach wrote: > > Brewster, I guess I rationalize it the other way around. In my sample > of one, I ride more carefully the (10%?) of the time I don't wear my > helmet. Specifically, I ride more slowly on quieter streets, leave > more escape room, and rarely

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:29:40 PM UTC-7, gep7...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> It is that only if you regard helmets as totally safe and ignore any >> tendency to take more risks when wearing one. > >On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > I've heard this statement beforea and a

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119262/ http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/08/walking-helmet-is-good-helmet.html But true, the statistic does not analyze the types of injuries, just the overall danger or risk; still, walking is pretty darn safe, so the risk to head in cycling can't be

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 07:53 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > One doesn't spend much time worrying about head protection while > walking. Falls while walking seldom involve a head injury. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To po

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Really, as far as I can tell. For me, the issue is: what is the actual, statistically determined risk for death or injury from cycling? If the statistics I've read are true -- the NYT article cites one putting cycling on a par with walking; another I've read claims cycling is less dangerous than w

Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

If you read the ny times article it touches on these kind of personal stories. The issue is that without taking away the stigma of helmet use and cyclists as being "the other" we will never get where Europe is. I fell going 35mph and a helmet probably saved me from more harm than I got but going do