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That's perfect! On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:50 AM, WETH wrote: > From the current issue of the *New Yorker:* > > > On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: >> >> Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but this picture posted yesterday >> on a Crazyguyonabike journal I've b

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Totally. Let's all be Un-Unracers! Oh, wait...darnit! On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 2:52:14 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote: > > > > If you call yourself an Unracer doesn't that mean you still have some form > of preoccupation with racing? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed

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If you call yourself an Unracer doesn't that mean you still have some form of preoccupation with racing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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It's the standard Sugino XD 600. On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 9:59:33 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: > > What kind of crank is it? Some cranks with small BCD and large, stamped > rings can flex a lot. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@goog

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What kind of crank is it? Some cranks with small BCD and large, stamped rings can flex a lot. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > If it isn't the frame than I suppose it must be the Sugino crank. > Something's flexing

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If it isn't the frame than I suppose it must be the Sugino crank. Something's flexing. Matt On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:46:38 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/27/2015 01:14 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: > > "When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may a

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Hah Marc, that gave me a laugh. Reminds me of last summer, I was riding my Atlantis with a big ol basket down a smooth paved road, moderate pace. I came up alongside a guy riding a brand new Look carbon bike. It was by all means a thoroughbred race machine. We got to a pair of railway tracks at the

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rs-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anne Paulson > *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:35 PM > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor > > > > I often stop by the grocery store on the way home from a rid

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If I have a bike with a Wald basket, it's such a beater that I can safely park it unlocked outside. No, large saddlebags and, usually, panniers. When my daughter was very small -- 2 1/2 to 4 or so -- I'd walk from my house to the nearest Albertson's 1/4 mile away, Catie riding, first, a pneumatic

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legroups.com] On Behalf Of Goshen Peter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:29 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor Bazinga! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tire labels not lined u

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor Bazinga! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!?? DISAPPROVE On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrot

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@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor You use your bike as the shopping cart??? Hmm never thought of that. I guess the floors are concrete, at least at my grocer they are. Wald baskets? On Feb 26, 2015 8:41 PM, "Patrick Moore" wrote: You

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@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Paulson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:35 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor I often stop by the grocery store on the way home from a ride. If I don't have a lock with me,

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If the store manager complains, I wonder if they could be convinced that the bike is less intrusive than the store's own wheeled carts. Less wide and tires that are probably a tiny bit less likely to mark the floor. (Those swiveling shopping cart wheels are less in control and sometimes scrape s

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You use your bike as the shopping cart??? Hmm never thought of that. I guess the floors are concrete, at least at my grocer they are. Wald baskets? On Feb 26, 2015 8:41 PM, "Patrick Moore" wrote: > You must have walked in SPDs? And my Ram and '03 custom carry groceries > just fine, while being

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Man if they were going to name a bike after me, they could have at least made a tall enough frame. On Feb 27, 2015 1:26 AM, "David Yu Greenblatt" < david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote: > That Steve Peat fellow knows how to have fun on a bike. > > s24o in Scotland: > https://vimeo.com/67430580 > >

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On 02/26/2015 09:54 AM, Marc Irwin wrote: This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco Bars). A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why anybody would want a bike like that? I said, " I can take this to the grocery store, ride a metric centu

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On 02/27/2015 01:14 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: "When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may actually be doing you some good!" I cannot agree and feel compelled to reply because I think others could be misled. I'm no heavyweight (170 lbs.) and commute on a 2-TT 60c

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On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:36:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/26/2015 08:06 PM, Doug Williams wrote: > > Perfect Geir! > > > > Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes > or racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wr

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That Steve Peat fellow knows how to have fun on a bike. s24o in Scotland: https://vimeo.com/67430580 Going for a little spin with 3 of his pals on 650b bikes in France: https://vimeo.com/63027254 David G in San Diego > On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Oh I wouldn't be s

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"When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may actually be doing you some good!" I cannot agree and feel compelled to reply because I think others could be misled. I'm no heavyweight (170 lbs.) and commute on a 2-TT 60cm Hillborne. Granted I carry a commuters load in the rear but nothin

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I often stop by the grocery store on the way home from a ride. If I don't have a lock with me, I use the two wheeled grocery cart. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > >> On 02/26/2015 09:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: >> You must have walked in SPDs? And my R

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No problem keeping the beer cool. dougP On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: > > That Atlantis looks haaawt with those Nanoraptors! > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mark Reimer > wrote: > >> Anton, I got you! I'm not from around those parts. I'm m

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On 02/26/2015 09:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: You must have walked in SPDs? And my Ram and '03 custom carry groceries just fine, while being fun to ride unladen. As for theft, I usually wheel the bike through the aisles in place of a shopping cart. I didn't say it couldn't be done, obviously it

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You must have walked in SPDs? And my Ram and '03 custom carry groceries just fine, while being fun to ride unladen. As for theft, I usually wheel the bike through the aisles in place of a shopping cart. at least 3/4 of my riding is turning shopping and errand trips into cycling detours on such bik

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Sorry, Mark, we here in the northeast US call that a dusting. I'm afraid that doesn't compare at all to what we've been getting over here. This is how cyclists were rolling in the town next to mine the past couple weeks. No spandex here.

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On 02/26/2015 08:06 PM, Doug Williams wrote: Perfect Geir! Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes or racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wrong with bike clothes for a long and/or hard ride. But bike shoes and jerseys in the grocery st

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100! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Doug Williams < salguod3791willi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Perfect Geir! > > > > Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes > or racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wrong with > bike clothes for a long and/or

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Perfect Geir! Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes or racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wrong with bike clothes for a long and/or hard ride. But bike shoes and jerseys in the grocery store are just…well…whatever. Again, I maintain

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How about the Ibex wool jersey, Patrick? They are very, very light, ss and rear pockets. I've yet to have a knit jersey that I could wear two rides in a row. I sweat like crazy and my wool stuff doesn't smell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Ow

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now that looks like a hella lota fun. Although I'd probably get the new Salsa Warbird... carbon bike that fits 45mm tires. Seems like most of my fun rides these days are like that ( a bit slower and drier though) and there should be beer at the end too! ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Thursday, Febr

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Bazinga! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!?? > > DISAPPROVE > > On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote: >> >> You mean like this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/ >> 37542512@N04/8566366471/in/set-721

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Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!?? DISAPPROVE On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote: > > You mean like this? > https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8566366471/in/set-72157624552118742 > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you

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: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED! On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, "Hugh Smitham" mailto:hughsmit...@gmail.com>> wrote: Well that should

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Oh, I know they're babies. That video didn't fool me. > On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > That snow looks to be about 28˚F or warmer. That's only minus whatever in C. > Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > >> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:55:23 PM UTC-7, Mark Reim

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That snow looks to be about 28˚F or warmer. That's only minus whatever in C. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:55:23 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that... > > http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/ > > On Th

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Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED! On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, "Hugh Smitham" wrote: > Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had > to stop half way through the video to ca

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Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had to stop half way through the video to catch my breath ;) Fun to watch. On Feb 26, 2015 2:55 PM, "Mark Reimer" wrote: > Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that... > > http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-vid

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Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that... http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh wrote: > It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus > whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fende

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It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote: > >

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The best comment on the subject yet On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Geir Bentzen wrote: > I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European > who has emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get > that riding a bike is something special. Something

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the second top tube is also a terriffic handle for portaging it up the stairs to BART On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:49:45 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/26/2015 03:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Brewster > > > > My Bombadil is quite stiff. Bikes that "plane" are really flex

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On 02/26/2015 03:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Brewster My Bombadil is quite stiff. Bikes that "plane" are really flexible. My Bombadil does not plane. My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard diameter top tube and downtube does plane. My Bombadil is very stout. I use it for camping and trail ri

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Craig Calfee is one of the few guys I'd trust to sell me a crabon fiber bike appropriate for my weight and intended usage. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second

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Brewster My Bombadil is quite stiff. Bikes that "plane" are really flexible. My Bombadil does not plane. My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard diameter top tube and downtube does plane. My Bombadil is very stout. I use it for camping and trail riding. At times, I am carrying most of the gea

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On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube. Brewster Fong thinks my > bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule. I think my bicycle is beautiful > and I love riding it. > > My Bomba >

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Annnd we have reached the dead of winter! From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:13 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter

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The only thing I dislike about my Atlantis is that it doesn't have a double top tube. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube. Brewster Fong thinks my > bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule. I think my bicycle is beautiful > and

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I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube. Brewster Fong thinks my bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule. I think my bicycle is beautiful and I love riding it. My Bomba Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong

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On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my > > buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out > > of, but the supposed

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Thanks. Oh well. My 2 Pearl Izumi summer jerseys stink as quickly as the others. Wool, OTOH, can go for 8 hours of riding without offending the nearby public (I sweat in winter, too). And yes, I do bathe daily -- my cotton shirts can go at least 2 full day wearings without being offensive. Moving

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This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco Bars). A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why anybody would want a bike like that? I said, " I can take this to the grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the Hi

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Patrick: The two Steves speak the truth. I generally get free jerseys from charity rides or pick some up from Long's when they're on sale. I've had some smell a little after a century in humid Wisconsin summer weather, but not badly. It may be that some of us generate more toxic sweat than o

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I'm another Steve in the DC Metro area and my experience from when I was riding regularly in the summer was similar to Steve P's. The shorts were ride once and wash, for anti fungal reasons, but jerseys did not necessarily need to be washed every time. I used mostly Pearl Isumi jerseys, in add

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On 02/26/2015 09:22 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: / Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ/ / / Andy: first, not at all a snark attack. I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15 minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No one

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* Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ* Andy: first, not at all a snark attack. I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15 minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No one I know of makes cotton knit jerseys. Can you recomm

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No, it was just a low-grade double, IIRC. This would have been some time around '97. On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 7:24:00 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/26/2015 04:10 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: > > Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person. To some extent, he *i

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On 02/26/2015 04:10 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person. To some extent, he /is/ trying to get people to drink his Kool-Aid because that's his market space. I well recall when he was selling an older Campy front derailer. It had an oversized clam

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this ^^ is the first thing that makes sense in this whole thread. There are all kinds of fish in this giant fishbowl. Some wear sandals and baggy shorts...that's not me. Lycra/wool shorts have a place for performance riding, On tour, some loose fitting over-shorts are more appropriate.C

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I can't remember who first stated it in this epic thread, but I'll agree that Grant's response was a little disingenuous-- Just Ride is definitely not a kumbaya, just-do-your-own-thing get along gang book. It says in many places that people who use clipless shoes, or wear lycra, or are more inte

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I wonder sometimes if the basic image of people getting railroaded into buying a race bike for general riding is still true, if it ever was. Grant compares his bikes to MCFRBs, but a more apt comparison is probably a... hybrid. Big clearances, upright positioning, fenders, racks, etc. And that's mo

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I pictured the children smacking their foreheads in embarrassment for their parents. Now that image makes me laugh. ~Hugh On Feb 25, 2015 5:01 PM, "Mark Reimer" wrote: > Haha I laughed out loud when picturing that > > > > On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Doug Williams wrote: > > There are many ride

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One thing I think is a factor in a lot of this, is socioeconomics. Maybe I'm wrong, or, maybe not where you are, but, at least for my neck of the woods. (my neck of the woods being, a non-urban center, small-town, car-centric region where everyone over 15 is expected to have a car or two

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Haha I laughed out loud when picturing that > On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Doug Williams wrote: > > There are many riders who can NOT conceive of going for a bike ride without > their clipless shoes, jersey, the whole kit. How sad! I mean...there isn't > anything wrong with wearing your kit

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There are many riders who can NOT conceive of going for a bike ride without their clipless shoes, jersey, the whole kit. How sad! I mean...there isn't anything wrong with wearing your kit to go on a serious bike ride. But for a short ride, you wind up spending more time dressing and undressing t

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One way to know your message has really gotten out there is when some people you don't know start to genuinely hate you, hahaha! On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > > Brewster Fong wrote: > > > Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs, >> h

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Brewster Fong wrote: Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs, > he still eats like a pig and that includes massive amounts of noodles, rice > and bread (hey, a guy's got to carbo load!)... > Kudos to him! I wish I had a 24 oz beer right now with which to drink

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On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:21:59 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: > > Guilty as charged. In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's > thoughts on cycling attire. I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts > every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride. > > But unlike som

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On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike got him hooked and we love it! Some of t

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On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote: > > The right tool for the job, and the humbleness to recognize when such are > necessary. > > Folks really do take themselves too seriously. > Agree! I love these types of threads! You see all sides. I'm from the camp that if

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The right tool for the job, and the humbleness to recognize when such are necessary. Folks really do take themselves too seriously. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: > > Why do you need

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I really think we're in the golden-age of awesome cycling right now! I believe that at this point, based on my personal anecdotal observations, so therefore 100% valid, a lot of riding is happening! And all kinds of people are riding all kinds of bikes wearing all kinds of things. So now that

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Well, not necessarily bike shop attire, but cycling-specific attire: less chafing, less binding, better coverage (I hate low-waisted pants that pull down, and short tops that pull up); less annoying flapping (windy, here); adapts well to changes in temperature, both external and internal; doesn't g

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I was in my early 40's when I returned to biking. The LBS in San Francisco didn't try to sell me a race bike, but it was clear that they thought if I didn't get a road/race bike, then I needed a Mountain Bike. I bought a Kona Fire Mountain and didn't really ride it much either in the Bay Area

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Paul and Jim: from what I observe around me in ABQ, NM, which is a cycling-enthusiast city, is that there are all kinds of riders riding all kinds of things, but I see more than a few fat middle aged people slowly riding carbon fiber racing bikes in tight lycra kit on the bike path. Now that may be

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Good to hear that's what's going on in Reno/Tahoe. But I've been a member of my club for 30 years, so I know the other members. They haven't got Fargos sitting in their garages. They're mostly afraid of dirt, and they cancel rides *if the roads are wet*. No, I am not making that up; they are afraid

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I don't live in Silicon Valley. However, in the Reno/Tahoe areas we have multiple club rides that are going to be made up of the types of kits/bikes you mention. But that is only a snapshot of the type of riding those people do. That may be the perfect set up for a fast road ride of 30-50 miles

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"It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive fields. Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with ourselves." Hear Hear On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: > Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to >

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"someone will explain to her that her bike is wrong" cue *forehead smacking into desk* On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite > wrote: > >> I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won. Anymore, while I >> can cert

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite wrote: > I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won. Anymore, while I > can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the > niche. Just like the "extreme" downhillers or whatever they are called. I > just don't see

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The body and the riding style must have some play in this as well. Presumably many of the loaded cycle touring Europeans one sees on the Eurovelo routes are riding multi-day. They probably do not ride a full 100+km every day and likely stop more frequently than someone attempting a timed ride

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Mark, I'm with you on this. In the Texas summer, cooling and evaporation is everything. Padding = insulation = chaffing. > Last summer I did three long rides in a row (180km, 130km and 110km back > to back) in the thinnest merino boxers and cotton shorts I could find. I > was next to nake

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I learned from Grant that seamless shorts/pants and a good saddle are more important than padding. I actually got more comfortable on my usual 20-40-mile rides when I switched to wool unpadded underwear and Swrve baggy shorts; tight, padded lycra didn't work well for me. I can't vouch for what

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I disagree with the previous statement. I've done many century rides in good quality (Assos) lyrca kit on a number of saddles. Usually around the 60 mile mark I'll start to get a bit sore. By the end of the ride, it's a constant dull ache. Doesn't matter if I use different brand of bibs/chamois

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

On 02/25/2015 10:30 AM, Will wrote: so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on bike? Clothes. Cycling shoes eliminate foot pressure, cycling shorts have padding and no seams to create pressure ridges. The following year with no changes other than clothing I d

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on bike? On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: > > Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just > > curious. I've been rid

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

some of the arguments above need clarification. Racing Crowd should be defined as the general trend of the industry. It actually doesn't include actual racers. Rather, it's a droves of cyclists who leave a bike shop with carbon and lycra, and an industry pushing them out the door that way.

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop attire? On Wednesday, F

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

> No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept it alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks along the way. For no reason. And I assure you that it has affected his > bottom line by marginalizing him. This appears to assume GP does what he

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Guilty as charged. In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's thoughts on cycling attire. I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride. But unlike some folks, I don't feel any pressure to conform to the Unracer philosophy. It's just mo

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: > > Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way 😉 Must be > winter. > On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, "'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch" < > rbw-owne...@googl

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won. Anymore, while I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the niche. Just like the "extreme" downhillers or whatever they are called. I just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also accept t

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way 😉 Must be winter. On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, "'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch" < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: >> >> pb, >> >> Hmmm...I'm glad that you fo

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: > > pb, > > Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, > No, I called three, and got three answers. I made three calls. I got three answers. I chose the three because they were representative of three major corpo

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:16:52 PM UTC-8, pb wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: >> >> Why? Why, over and over again? Because the racing philosophy has the >> mainstream and the LBS. And it's not what serves most causal riders best, >> an

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

My LBS literally scoffed when I asked if they sold any steel bikes. They said that steel is only on old and Walmart bikes. They had a nice all aluminum Stumpjumper, one of 3 bikes without a CF of suspension fork. So yeah I dont think grant is going all Nero on the bike biz but wants his somewhat ou

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

pb, Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all sorts of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so lightweight that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see VERY few articles and advertisemen

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: > > Why? Why, over and over again? Because the racing philosophy has the > mainstream and the LBS. And it's not what serves most causal riders best, > and I applaud Grant for calling them out for it. > We all have seen at

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Agreed, Jim. Grant's intention with Just Ride was to make an aggressive statement about the legitimacy of cycling that is not racing. He clearly felt that the benefits of this aggression outweighed the risk of alienating some individuals. I fully agree. Making a few people peeved about bike stu

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