[RBW] Shifting Theory with a Wide/Low Double

2020-10-11 Thread Ben Mihovk
Hello! I did try a few searches for some discussion or an answer to this question and came up empty...but I'm sure someone will provide a link with everything I'm looking for! But here's my question...if I have the Clipper wide/low double (42/26) with a 9 speed cassette, am I "cross-chaining" a

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
Possible good news- silver shifters will go on those same thumb mounts on your Clementine, no need to do any grip/handlebar messiness. An easy swap for what you know and love. -Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubsc

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Drw
I don’t know those shifters well enough, but I’d be inclined to go with shifters that are meant for their job, and as I recall those weren’t. The front derailler (or at least most) should be in the little ring position naturally. Meaning you have to pull the cable to get it to leave that positi

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Joe Bernard
Ya know, all that esplainy stuff I did last night makes no sense in light of the fact you've been riding the Betz for years with no shifting issues. What was I thinking?? Yes, Silver bar-ends are miles better than those ridiculous SunRace thumbies. I'm thinking there's something wrong with the

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Leah Peterson
The refusal to shift in front is so touchy that I have to be on pancake-flat ground. Any threat of incline is a deal-breaker. I’ve been riding 6 years on these same paths on my friction-shifting Betty Foy and rarely have an issue. I don’t think it should be this touchy. I caught on pretty quick

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread esoterica etc
Oops, I just realized that I was making a joking reference to a recent thread that was on a DIFFERENT google group (iBOB). Boy, do I have egg on my face now. Carry on, carry on.. > On Aug 13, 2019, at 09:31, esoterica etc wrote: > > > Joe, I think a paude is what you do when you finally

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread esoterica etc
Joe, I think a paude is what you do when you finally come to the realization of what FFS means. ~Mark > On Aug 13, 2019, at 03:31, Joe Bernard wrote: > > *almost a pause. I have no idea what a paude is. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-13 Thread Joe Bernard
*almost a pause. I have no idea what a paude is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this

[RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-12 Thread Joe Bernard
The finicky stuff was the rear cuz those clicks did in fact act kinda indexy and would sometimes leave you stuck slightly between gears. Which won't make a lick of sense to you if you've always used friction, so we can yak later on the PM about all that madness. The front shouldn't be happenin

[RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

2019-08-12 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
I remember that there was talk about the shifters of the early Clems, and now I have a first gen Clementine and the shifting is giving me some issues. I took my bike to the mechanic for a tune-up and told him the front cog was reluctant to shift. He said the cable was a bit loose but he’d addres

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-16 Thread Patrick Moore
This may be only a remote possibility, but I've experienced iffy shifting and chain tracking when a single chain link was binding slightly. As to Silver levers not staying adjusted: I use a dollop of Loctite on the mounting/adjusting screw, and had no further problems with slipping. I do like the

[RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-16 Thread commutour
What rear derailleur are you using? I don't have an answer to your problem but am curious because I have had similar issues with my new to me Atlantis. I've now ridden it about 600 miles trying to get used to how it came to me. Shifting, particularly on the large cogs in back was very finicky

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-16 Thread ascpgh
I'm so used to 7-speed friction shifting on my Rambouillet that I seek rear derailleurs with less lateral play of the upper pulley wheel, currently a Suntour XC-Pro mid cage for that drivetrain. Others include other ST road/MTB units and a gem of a Mavic 841. You can replace the top pulley whee

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread Joe Bernard
Here's a question I didn't think of: Were you friction-shifting 8-speed before? I've been fine with 9-speed after getting used to it, but 8 is definitely more forgiving of having the pulleys slightly off center without catching an adjacent cog. These modern (by Rivvy standards) 9-speed cassettes

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread Ian A
No one has mentioned free movement of derailleur cable - just make sure it is not snagging or dragging at all. IanA On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 9:56:51 PM UTC-6, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote: > > Thanks, y'all! Sounds like I have some more fiddling to do. I'll report > back with my results! -

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread Tim O. (Portland, OR)
Thanks, y'all! Sounds like I have some more fiddling to do. I'll report back with my results! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread ascpgh
I second the look at hanger alignment if the smaller three cogs' shifting and operation is of "no leeway". You can buy a tool to gauge the alignment and the cold set adjustment of it (steel frame preferred) for what it would cost to have your LBS do it three or four times. If shifting is great

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread Joe Bernard
I know, but what he's describing as "almost no leeway" and "might need longer spindle" sounds like the similar-sized 3 cogs outboard of the hub. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop recei

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread Conway Bennett
I experienced the same issue. All things being, you could have a slightly bent derailleur hanger. It's a cheap and quick fix at the bike shop. They have the experience and appropriate tools, and would be grateful for the $15 they'll charge. -- You received this message because you are subsc

Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/15/2017 02:48 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: If by "lower gears" you mean the smaller cogs that are similar in size but those would be "higher gears" and the chain keeps catching on adjacent ones, then yes you might have an 8-speed chain. Hit the flashlight function on your phone and get a

[RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-14 Thread Joe Bernard
If by "lower gears" you mean the smaller cogs that are similar in size and the chain keeps catching on adjacent ones, then yes you might have an 8-speed chain. Hit the flashlight function on your phone and get a good look at the links, you should be able to find a model number with an 8 or 9 in

[RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

2017-06-14 Thread Tim O. (Portland, OR)
I just set up a new cassette, chain and chainrings, but now I'm having some issues shifting in my lower gears. There is almost no leeway between my bottom three gears so it's difficult(almost impossible) to line things up correctly without the chain jumping around. For context, I'm running a 9 s

Re: [RBW] Shifting problems with the S3X

2016-06-04 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks. I may have figured it out. The ist gear "click" on the lever is somewhat elusive, and it takes a subtle touch to get the lever to click into the 1st position and reach the detente. I think that the lever's internals may be a bit worn. The hub itself seems to be fine. If this latest adjust

Re: [RBW] Shifting problems with the S3X

2016-06-03 Thread Eric Norris
You're sure you have the cable properly tensioned (e.g., no slack in 3rd gear)? It sounds like the shift lever is rotated too far to get the hub into 1st gear, and slips back into the "normal" 1st position. Also, you're certain it's the correct shifter? You could try putting a friction lever on

[RBW] Shifting problems with the S3X

2016-06-03 Thread Patrick Moore
I can't get 1st gear to work on the hub. I can get 3d and 2nd to click into place, but when I get the cable tight enough for 1st to click, when I release the lever, the cable tension pulls the lever down away from the "click position", loosening the cable and allowing the gear to skip. Is this slo

Re: [RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-26 Thread BSWP
Thanks for all the replies! Not sure which bars I'll end up with on the new frame, but I know from experience that I need to test and experiment for a fair time, so the bar-end off the quill may be doing duty for a while. And this is well off into next year, as the frame is not yet designed, but

Re: [RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-26 Thread gunnara
Hi Got The Berthoud after riding with The original and The Mittermeyer. The Berthoud is just wonderful in every aspect. It can easily be reamed to 26mm so it fits on a noodles shim. http://wolff234.tumblr.com/image/82979201493 Best regards Gunnar -- You received this message because you are su

Re: [RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread Jim Bronson
I met someone on a 100k riding a Simpleone with the Berthoud setup, it was gorgeous and he was happy with the functionality. On Aug 24, 2014 10:24 PM, "BSWP" wrote: > I'm purt near serious about making up a new frame with a Rohloff IGH. > Looking at the myriad ways of mounting the shifter, I'm dr

Re: [RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-25 Thread David McCulloch
Andrew, I have a custom stem that has a clamp on the underside of the stem extension, essentially like the Thorn 55mm accessory bar and the Rodriguez Doohickey. It is a clamp brazed to the underside of the extension and is mtb bar diameter. I have a scrap piece of mtb bar and the stock Rohloff

[RBW] Shifting a Rohloff from the stem

2014-08-24 Thread BSWP
I'm purt near serious about making up a new frame with a Rohloff IGH. Looking at the myriad ways of mounting the shifter, I'm drawn to putting it on the quill stem, like shown here, #11, on someone's Atlantis: http://cyclingabout.com/index.php/2011/11/rohloff-hubs-with-drop-handlebars/ This see

Re: [RBW] Shifting

2013-11-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 11/16/2013 10:51 AM, Kellie Stapleton wrote: So the SunRace thumb shifters Rivendell sells should be compatible? Those are pure friction, right? If so, then maybe: some people are able to successfully friction shift 10 speed drivetrains. Many others find the spacing too close and have di

Re: [RBW] Shifting

2013-11-16 Thread cyclotourist
Hi Kellie, should be a fun bike set up. Any of the friction shifters would work, but the Vaya has a 10 speed cassette. I've found that friction shifting any more than eight gears isn't so much fun. If my bike I would get 10 speed bar ends or Paul Thumbies. On 11/16/13, Kellie Stapleton wrote: > S

Re: [RBW] Shifting

2013-11-16 Thread Kellie Stapleton
So the SunRace thumb shifters Rivendell sells should be compatible? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:43:37 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 11/16/2013 10:39 AM, Kellie Stapleton wrote: > > I have a Salsa Vaya which I'd like to make more Riv'ish as my daughter > > plans to take it on a 2 m

Re: [RBW] Shifting

2013-11-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 11/16/2013 10:39 AM, Kellie Stapleton wrote: I have a Salsa Vaya which I'd like to make more Riv'ish as my daughter plans to take it on a 2 month tour and wants upright bars. Currently is has drops with Sram Apex derailleurs and brifters. Can I convert to thumb shifters with a new handlebar?

[RBW] Shifting

2013-11-16 Thread Kellie Stapleton
I have a Salsa Vaya which I'd like to make more Riv'ish as my daughter plans to take it on a 2 month tour and wants upright bars. Currently is has drops with Sram Apex derailleurs and brifters. Can I convert to thumb shifters with a new handlebar? Of course I'd need new brake levers too. -- Yo

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Several hours of riding --- dirt? Possible On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Jim M. wrote: > On Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:31:17 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> #1: Dirty chain catching on bottom of the smaller (the proper term, ahem, >> for us periti, is "chainring" or "ring", he said

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
Also, sometimes a new cable can slip out of some guides under the bottom bracket. This too might cause a sudden slackness. Michael On Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:45:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > The only other thing I can think of is either cable stretch, which is > normal on a new set

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
The only other thing I can think of is either cable stretch, which is normal on a new setup,but usually takes more than a couple of rides, or a little slip at the derailler. I'm not familiar with the thumb shifters but would suggest putting each shifter - derailler in the loosest position and

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Peter Morgano
I agree with Jim, when I get shifting issues the first thing I check is cables, especially on a new bike. The cable could have half been in a ferrule and bedded itself down or whatnot. Sounds like the front DR is pushing the chain over which indicates you have a lack of tension on the front DR. O

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Jim M.
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:31:17 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > #1: Dirty chain catching on bottom of the smaller (the proper term, ahem, > for us periti, is "chainring" or "ring", he said snootily) so that the > bottom run of the chain is brought up to, or sucked to, the top to lodge in

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
#1: Dirty chain catching on bottom of the smaller (the proper term, ahem, for us periti, is "chainring" or "ring", he said snootily) so that the bottom run of the chain is brought up to, or sucked to, the top to lodge in the derailleur? #2: You managed to loosen the front derailleur shift lever's

[RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Johnny Alien
OK so I just got my new Hillborne this week. It is completely friction and I am using the IRD thumbshifters with the Deore rear derailer and the CX front derailer. It has a Sugino double crankset. On day one it worked wonderful and the shifting with the IRD thumbshifters was great. I did a

[RBW] shifting a 9 speed cassette with a 7 speed barcon?

2013-06-20 Thread Philip Williamson
I just put a Suntour Cyclone derailleur and a 9 speed cluster on my Gravel Roadster, which had been a singlespeed. http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/9089710197/ I'm trying to shift it with a Shimano 7 speed barcon, and I'm only getting 6 speeds out of it in friction. Is there a modi

[RBW] Shifting on my Roadeo

2011-12-09 Thread dpco
This is probably not a big deal to many of you, but the shifting on my Roadeo frameset is a lot better than my bikes with shorter chainstays. I use a TA Zephyr 48-34 crank with a 12-25 cassette, with Campy Centaur components. All the mechanical parts related to the drivetrain seem to last much

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues with TA Pro 5 Vis cranks/rings

2010-06-19 Thread David Faller
Not to sound pedantic, but this might be a matter of using a FD that is designed for use with triples vs. doubles. The angle of lift required for triples is slightly steeper, the arc and length of the FD cage is larger, and the range of motion is wider. Cage width vis a vis chain width certai

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues with TA Pro 5 Vis cranks/rings

2010-06-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I shifted a 9 sp chain over a 44/30 TA with an old Deore fd using Power Ratchets and had no problems except for the somewhat slow upshift. (In fact, I earlier ran a 26/46 with no problem except a very slow upshift.) I don't recall throwing the chain, but then for the sake of best Q with adequate ch

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues with TA Pro 5 Vis cranks/rings

2010-06-18 Thread Gino Zahnd
I have TA cranks on both my Saluki and Bleriot, and I use the FSA Gossamer derailer on both. It works smoothly. I highly recommend it. Bleriot setup is 42x26 for town and the local dirt. Saluki is a wide-range double: 46x28 for loaded touring. I've also used the FSA/TA setup with a 48x36, and the

Re: [RBW] Shifting issues with TA Pro 5 Vis cranks/rings

2010-06-18 Thread James Valiensi
Chris, I've been using a TA Pro Vis w/ 33/47 rings and a Campy 9-speed Centaur front derailleur for a long time with no shifting troubles. I could never get a Shimano FD to work with the TA cranksets no matter what gears used. The Campy 9-speed FD's have a good shape for moving the chain and the

[RBW] Shifting issues with TA Pro 5 Vis cranks/rings

2010-06-18 Thread XO-1.org Rough Riders
Hi: I've never gotten suitable shifting with a TA Pro 5 Vis crankset with 32/46 rings. This is mated with Shimano 9-speed on the rear (11x34) and bar-end shifters (Shimano 9 also). First I had it set up with a Suntour Superbe Pro front derailleur and it wanted to overshift once every 25 to 50 shif