[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

And the verdict: not for me. Initially it was fun. Felt very different from drop bars or flat/mtb bars. I had a good fit with a longer stem I used, was sized up by the shop and the fit was probably as good as it would get. First ride was 30 minutes and I made a couple of tweaks as my wrists

[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

Update: I'm swapping the bars on my Salsa Fargo. Going with the VO Granola. I can use them with stems I have on hand, just had to add brake levers, grips and a Sram Apex flat bar shifter. Need hew cables/housing anyway, so all-in-all the experiment won't break the bank. I'll report back in

[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

I ended up sticking with drop bars, but making some changes after a good conversation with my chiro and a few rides on the three bikes where I paid a lot of attention to where I had pain, and my posture on those rides. On the Roadini and Salsa, I was using 42cm bars (at the hoods hoods) with 12

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

I’m a similar rider in terms of age and issues. I just sold my last drop bar bike and the bars were very neutral and slightly above the saddle. I absolutely loved that bike but I just can’t ride drops at this point. All of my bikes now have swept bars and it makes a huge difference. I’m riding deep

[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

The symptoms the OP complains about are low energy and bad posture because of low energy. The three suggestions I'll toss into the hopper are: 1. there may be issues with your diet, 2. maybe 5x a week is too much. Maybe limit it to 3x a week strictly and see what that does. Finally 3. Maybe

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

***Reposting with a correction*** A few things to keep in mind: -Riding in an upright position will recruit different muscles in your legs and butt, you may feel it to be a bit harder to ride fast in this position. You will also catch more wind which can slow you down a bit. -You should keep in

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

A few things to keep in mind: -Riding in an upright position will recruit different muscles in your legs and butt, you may feel it to be a bit harder to ride fast in this position. You will also catch more wind which can slow you down a bit. -You should keep in mind the steering axis. If your s

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

If you don't have a cruiser-y / townie type bike for more laid back or utilitarian rides, and you have the space and ability to have another bike then I'd definitely recommend an additional bike for this. Though if you have a couple of aggressive drop bar bikes it's certainly possible to conver

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em comingTim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:“…off the bike?”- I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck; however, I notice my legs get tire

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes more t

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

@Jay, I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a bicyc

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

What Doug said, almost exactly x2.Long time Roadie here but transitioned to MTB about 15 years ago - now 69. Never had serious issues with properly fit road bike. But after a lot of MTB riding it never felt right again. However, I started having pretty serious hand/wrist issues with straight MTB ba

[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

When I bought my Clem Smith Jr it was a revelation in riding. I had ridden mostly drop bars for many years and like you I would have shoulder and neck pain after long rides. The Clem with Tosco bars and an upright riding position solved my aches and pains immediately. I also discovered I could

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

In your original post you refer to your "current bike" with Billie bars. Is that the Curtlo that you are selling over on the iBob list? If so, for the benefit of the commenters, you said that Curtlo was designed to emulate a Rambouillet. I've got two comments: First, I'm not crazy about y

[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Eddie, for what it's worth: when I bought an old Atlantis (that has the much more compact size and geometry than current Atlantis models) it had a Noodle drop bar on a medium length stem — a pretty standard Rivendell build. I couldn't ride it for more than a few miles without experiencing terri

[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 4:59:17 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote: My current bike has Billie bars installed on a very tall adjustable stem. Effective top tube on this bike is 59.5cm. Reach to both the rear portion at the grips and front portion at the curves seems quite comfortable. But wh

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Eddie, your initial post asking " how does shorter or longer stem effect steering?" has generated a a lot of interesting discussion about steering dynamics - but it seems that what you really want to get at is which size Roadini will work best for you with upright bars. You might start by taki

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Precisely.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 10, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:Garth opens up another can of worms with perception. Am I aware that there's a smidge of tiller effect on my custom and significantly more on Cheap Old Hybrid? Yes. Do I actually perceive this on rides? Nope. I like the b

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Doug, my guess is that headtube angle and trail on the Clem probably adds to steadier steering. Riv does not seem to publish trail numbers but as I understand it trail is key to steering characteristics. On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:47:46 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: > I do wonder if the long

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

I do wonder if the long wheelbase makes my Clem more stable in general. I hope you find the right setup for your bike. Doug On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 8:41 AM eddietheflay wrote: > Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two > years. I can do just fine but still notice

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two years. I can do just fine but still notice I am less steady when my hands are on the grips while descending at speed. Could be that I am so upright that my center of gravity compared to drop bars is making things a less st

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

I have never tried really high-mounted drop bars like these ones: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/05/drop-bar-diaries.html And for me that would be mostly about the aesthetics. Swept back bars look cooler and less weird that high-mounted drop bars. I wonder if the steering would "seem" signi

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Eddie, When I first rode a Clem with Bosco bars it was so different from drop bars below the saddle level that steering seemed odd. It took a few rides to settle in to the upright position and having the bars above the saddle and coming back toward me, if that makes sense. Like you though I was

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my head is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars. I guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach to the hoods on drop bars comfortable. On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a shallow drop bar. Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Garth opens up another can of worms with perception. Am I aware that there's a smidge of tiller effect on my custom and significantly more on Cheap Old Hybrid? Yes. Do I actually perceive this on rides? Nope. I like the bars and the bikes go and turn and stop and I haven't a care in the world,

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Well Eddie there are cans of worms and then there are #10 can of worms , and this is a whole case of them ! First off, the amount of sensitivity in steering inputs, that feeling, largely depends on the design of the frame. I've had two bike set up as identical as they can be with Albatross ba

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

So Joe I understand the concept of tiller as in the olden days a did a couple of years on bents. My more specific question is if a bike has a shorter top tube which requires more stem length to "reach" proper reach, then does some of the tiller affect get reduced? On Sunday, September 10, 2023

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Wow. All I can say is that the steering is not at all twitchy on either my Clem or Gus, both with Bosco’s. Clem has a 135 stem, Gus 100. It has been a long time since I rode drop bars but compared to my mtb’s with relatively straight bars with short stems, the Riv’s under steer a little bit. But ot

[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Of course it might be worse on your current bike than any Rivendell. I have an old/cheap Marin hybrid with Boscos and the nervous/tiller effect on that one is kinda ridiculous, Rivs don't act like that. On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > Your second question

[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

Your second question is, I think, where things stand. I've ridden lots of upright bars with varying stem lengths and there isn't much difference in steering feel, they all have a bit of what the recumbent folks call tiller effect. I try to buy frames that give me good reach to Boscos without ne

[RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

I guess another question would be can you expect steering to be twitchy when all your leverage it behind the steering axis instead of in front like you find on all drop bar bikes? On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote: > I am considering a Roadini and not sure if

[RBW] Re: Upright bars and romulus

Nice bike and nice bike photography Erl! On Thursday, 30 August 2018 02:29:57 UTC-7, WETH wrote: > > Dear Dennis, > > I have and really enjoy the ride: https://flic.kr/p/22KjYfJ > If you have further questions let me know. > More photos of the bike here: > https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N0

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright handlebar mod

Love those father/daughter stories. Exactly my feelings toward my 26 year old daughter:-))) Best to you both, Richard Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > > thanks Richard, she's a rock star, summa cum laude, NHS, nationally ranked > wrestler, 20 scholarship off

[RBW] Re: Upright handlebar mod

thanks Richard, she's a rock star, summa cum laude, NHS, nationally ranked wrestler, 20 scholarship offers - all the wrestling schools want her, plus Trinity, School of Mines - she's set on A&M, though She's my hero. a samp

[RBW] Re: Upright handlebar mod

Nice post Ron. The variety of content reminds me of one of Grant's Blahg posts. Congrats to your daughter too! Best, Richard On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:56:08 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > Thanks Ian - I'll try not to be a stranger, but I'm currently loaded down > with work, which is actuall

[RBW] Re: Upright handlebar mod

Thanks Ian - I'll try not to be a stranger, but I'm currently loaded down with work, which is actually better than having too much time to ride. On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 5:05:34 PM UTC-6, Ian A wrote: > > Great post, Ron. Good to see you back and posting again. Fabulous photos. > Looking

[RBW] Re: Upright Bars

Ha, Ha, indeed. I'm betting that's a security person on a bike right behind him. You can see an arm and a bit of the bike. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving e

[RBW] Re: Upright Bars

I'll bet that the cordon of French secret service vehicles will keep him safe from any traffic, at least. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Upright Bars

Looks like my riding position! Love the scarf! Tres chic and so French. I second your suggestion on the helmet. Thanks for posting this Eric. Regards, Richard On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 12:06:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote: > > Here’s how French President Macron deals with backswept upright ba

[RBW] Re: Upright road riders tell me your fit setup please.

1. Flat, mostly. Windy. Occasional hill. 2. Clem, Bosco, 100mm stem 2 again. Commuting and other vehicular cycling up to 60 miles a day on occasion 3. The angle of my saddle basically forms a continuous line going into the bars, so, bars a bit above saddle and ends of bars about even with saddle

[RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

Jim, This is a photo of my drop bars wrapped in Yellow tape and coated in a garnet shellac. The tops got darker over time and I personally think they look very nice. This is a photo

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

I see your pics now Conway. Interesting how you have those MTB bar-end posts mounted frontwards. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Conway Bennett wrote: > I jut wrapped up this same project on my QB. No pun intended but now realize > what I typed. I added photos to the newbaum's flickr group c

[RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

My roll lives in the garage. My wife and kids would kick me out of the house if I tried to bring that hemp twine indoors. I call it hemp twine. They all call it "Stinky String". My roll lives in the garage. On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:52:02 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: > > I followed

[RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

I followed the Riv video for trimming with twine and it worked beautifully. The way they make the end disappear is slick. I bought two rolls of it and barely put a dent in one roll. We now keep one roll in the kitchen and one in the garage. It's great for other things like tying back the le

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

The link to the Newbaum's Flickr group is: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1891921@N20/ On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Conway Bennett wrote: > I jut wrapped up this same project on my QB. No pun intended but now realize > what I typed. I added photos to the newbaum's flickr group cause I never

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

I jut wrapped up this same project on my QB. No pun intended but now realize what I typed. I added photos to the newbaum's flickr group cause I never sorted out the whole image thing here. Basically I used a bunch of scrap tape. You can see the B&A with Amber shellac. Levers are basic sram

[RBW] Re: Upright bar build question - shellacked cloth tape to match cork grips

That looks like yellow tape with a single coat of amber shellac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.co

[RBW] Re: Upright!

Riding sensibly helps a lot on both issues. The guys on the racing bikes in full race garb look really out of place. Sort of like driving a Ferrari down to the local coffee house for a cappucino. dougP On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:12:52 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: > > GH!! NO helme

[RBW] Re: Upright!

GH!! NO helmets, no spandex...how did the survive?? On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:02:30 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: > > Not upright and a bit more commercial (but its Brooks, so that is > acceptable, right?) but fun video nonetheless. Whoever was running the > camera did a great job. >

[RBW] Re: Upright!

Not upright and a bit more commercial (but its Brooks, so that is acceptable, right?) but fun video nonetheless. Whoever was running the camera did a great job. Note the two riders make good time Land's End to John O'Groats without dedicated bike clothes or helmets. I need to do this ride and

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

I am fat. It's OK. It's just a word, like short, or blonde. :) On Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:42:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > And here's more: > http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140815-rise-of-the-short-haul-truckers > > It would be great for cyclists generally if big boys (Sorry! Big

[RBW] Re: Upright!

This really makes me miss my Dutch bike. On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:24:51 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3smPA17D8M > > Sweet video, but the average uprightness quotient is a quamtum (new > metric) measure above anything on the Rivendell site. > > I notice

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

No, *in re.* The effect as such (note the qualifier) is non-existent, strictly speaking, except insofar as it is caused, that is, under the influence (fluo/fluere) of the cause. The cause itself, of course, is unmodified by the production of the effect. The Taoist term for this universal reality is

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

And I shall parse it indeed !! ; Why Yes, what a wonderful point to make Patrick ! Cause and effect *are* One (in consciousness) ! :) So everything that is "happening" externally, IS what is going on within. Yes, externals "act" as causes . . . and that is a most perfect term to use

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

First, your "means" is not an effect, if you are using the word in any ordinary sense. Second, sure they are! I know it from seeing it in myself! A single instance to the contrary serves to disprove a universal assertion. What you say is not entirely without sense; yes, there are dispositions to

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

Well Patrick . .. I would be being me if I did not be me . . lol. The cars, the people and the structure of America and every country and city are but the *means(effect)* of expression of one's "state of being conscious, their choice of moods", they are not the *cause* of anything of themsel

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

One more thought, based on my own experience: One great benefit of cycling (or walking, or public transportation) in place of driving is that one is far less likely to be impatient, worried, anxious, angry because other drivers "get in your way". I think this impatience and anger is caused by the h

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

And here's more: http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140815-rise-of-the-short-haul-truckers It would be great for cyclists generally if big boys (Sorry! Big girls! Sorry! You're not fat!) identified with the cycling world, simply because (I believe) the one biggest cause of cycling safety is mere gen

[RBW] Re: Upright!

While I find an upright position like most of those distinctly not-for-me-thank-you , I do love the spirited culture of the place . Too bad it's in Europe, where it's too cold, too wet and too cloudy for my liking , darn it ! I like this one too, it really shows the mass bike culture of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

Yes. Everyone is very natural. Chicago is seeing a large increase in cyclists the past few years. But many new and old appear to treat cycling as an event. They plan for it, dress for it, often drive somewhere to do it. No complaints. I am glad to see cycling going mainstream. It will

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright!

What particularly struck me was the variety of riders -- all ages, all sexes, all kinds of dress, obviously taking riding as much for granted as we do our cars. I very briefly rode a real Dutch Gazelle and I was struck by how -- what's the opposite of "unwieldy" -- "wieldy"? -- it was. It felt a l

[RBW] Re: Upright!

Cool video. Those racks better be strong. A lot of adults hitching rides! On Friday, August 15, 2014 7:06:33 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote: > > In all those riders, I only noticed 3 sets of drop bars and only 2 riders > in lycra. And now I understand why the Europeans have standards for > racks. I'l

[RBW] Re: Upright!

In all those riders, I only noticed 3 sets of drop bars and only 2 riders in lycra. And now I understand why the Europeans have standards for racks. I'll wager Tubus et al specifically warn against using a rack for carrying passengers but it looks pretty commonly done. H.maybe all th

[RBW] Re: Upright Riding Saddles.

One caveat about the B68 is that the width tends to push you forward on the saddle relative to a B17. Not a big deal, but if your B17-to-bar distance is just right, the 68 will feel as if you scooted forward a centimeter too close. It's not noticeable until you get to pedaling and realize the ba

[RBW] Re: Upright Riding Saddles.

what Weth said - grab it while you can... On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:09:41 AM UTC-5, WETH wrote: > > Another vote for the Brooks B68. I have one and both of my sons ride > them. The B68 is hard to find. I have purchased my last two from Public > Bikes http://publicbikes.com/p/Brooks-B68-Sea

[RBW] Re: Upright Riding Saddles.

Another vote for the Brooks B68. I have one and both of my sons ride them. The B68 is hard to find. I have purchased my last two from Public Bikes http://publicbikes.com/p/Brooks-B68-Seat They still seem to have some black ones in stock at closeout prices. On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:07:

[RBW] Re: Upright Riding Saddles.

I had the same problem with an already WELL broken in b17. I went to a less broken in b17 narrow, which I didn't think would work because it was narrow, but it's what I had. It worked well after it was broken in, possibly because of the angles used while breaking it in. If you don't think the B

[RBW] Re: Upright Riding Saddles.

I use a B68 which has seen duty on several uprighty bikes I've owned. It's wide, flat and comfy as a couch even before break-in. Riv only sells the sprung B67 version, which may be overkill for your application. I've heard the springless 68 is out of production now, but I'm sure you can find one