You are correct, all production Quickbeams were Panasonic. The original
prototype Mark Abele showed me may have been Toyo-built.
On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 3:06:30 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
> Hmm I thought that Quickbeams were built by Panasonic; then thought maybe
> I confused them with Simp
Hmm I thought that Quickbeams were built by Panasonic; then thought maybe I
confused them with SimpleOnes; couldn't find anything on who built those,
initially ...but I didn't do a deep dive. Chroniclers of the Rivendell
timeline will know
So...I googled and landed on St. Sheldon. But...maybe T
This is such an interesting discussion and I appreciate the thread.
We have three Toyo-built Rivs in our household, a couple of Waterford-built
Rivs, and one built in Taiwan (presumably by Maxway? is that the only
Taiwanese builder Riv has used?). Rivendell has super high standards and
expecta
Hi Christian -
Actually, Toyo frames have a 3 degree upslope in the top tube from back to
front. Not easy to see, but visible if you look carefully.
I have a creamsicle Ram and a green Quickbeam. Both Toyo built. Also have a
custom and a Roadeo built by Mark Nobilette. And a Hubbuhubbuh presuma
I think a lot of the elevated appreciation of Toyo built frames has more to
do with the classic designs of the era more than the actual factory.
On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:17:22 AM UTC-5 Christian Santa wrote:
> If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the below
If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the below
YouTube link I happened to come across as I researched this topic several
weeks ago. It's not directly Rivendell related, but they do mention how
they used to build other brands and how they've evolved. It's an
interesti
I do not have the fastidiousness of circumstance or habit to keep my bikes
that nice.
Not that I abuse them, I definitely think I'm a bike owner that keeps bikes
a long time but depend on them to deliver what I expect and sometimes the
margins blur.
Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Monday, Nov
To the unaccounted elevation of Toyo-built versus others, they were still a
mass maker, just smaller volume and able to solve the economic formula of
the moment given all the variables. You can bet Grant knows about exchange
rates and the implications of even an economic choice of wholesale cost
The Toyo article is in Reader #31.
https://notfine.com/rivendell/
I can see how I romanticized my recollection of it. I don't think they're
the ones who reserved certain tasks for elder artisans. They're a company
like many, who train employees in their methods and culture, and hope
they'll
I have a Toyo built Romulus, a Bleriot which I believe was made by Maxway,
a Riv custom built by Curt Goodrich, and an Appaloosa which I guess is
probably made by Maxway as well. I can't really differentiate the quality
of the lugwork and paint between the three factory-built frames, it's fine
The Toyo frame Rivs are different, but IMO, this is mostly due to the
design of the era. They are two different bikes, but again, this is MOSTLY
because of design, and not the manufacturer. I have a 2002 Atlantis and a
newer one with the swoopy tube and longer stays, and they are two different
PS: the current Atlantis design rides better than mine. But it's just a
bike, after all. I wouldn't stress about who built it if it's a Rivendell.
dougP
On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 3:27:54 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
> I bought my Atlantis in '03. One time, another Atlantis owner asked if
> mine
I bought my Atlantis in '03. One time, another Atlantis owner asked if mine
had "roundy lugs or pointy lugs". Don't know if that IDs the builder. I
figure if it's good enough for Grant it's good enough for me. 20+ years of
loaded touring in all sorts of conditions & sometimes minimal maintenance
To Mathias' note I would suggest that Richard Sachs, Mark Nobillette and
Joe Starck were the most notable early builders.. along with but ahead of
Waterford. But I suggest that mostly because doing so illustrates a
point: that there's a lot of subjective measure as to what or whos is
"bette
Thanks all for your explanations. That clears it up for me.
On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
As covered, Toyo was used to build Rivendell batch frames for a period when
it was more cost-effective than building stateside at Waterford, but a
couple years later e
As covered, Toyo was used to build Rivendell batch frames for a period when
it was more cost-effective than building stateside at Waterford, but a
couple years later exchange rates made it not as economically viable to
have frames made in Japan anymore so they started working with Maxway in
Tai
Toyo was the early frame builder for Rivendell. They are a Japanese company
with a long history of building frames.
Somewhere in a Riv Reader there is an article on them. You may be able to
find some information on Jim's site http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/
As for better, well of course they a
I'm a Riv spectator rather than owner, but I think I can answer this one:
In its earlier days, Rivendell had non-custom bicycles built en masse -- a
'masse' being maybe a dozen of one size, at most -- by small high-quality
builders, the most prominent being Waterford in WI and Toyo in Japan.
G
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