Hmm I thought that Quickbeams were built by Panasonic; then thought maybe I confused them with SimpleOnes; couldn't find anything on who built those, initially ...but I didn't do a deep dive. Chroniclers of the Rivendell timeline will know
So...I googled and landed on St. Sheldon. But...maybe Toyo did build them as well https://www.sheldonbrown.com/org/quickbeam-index.html And off-topic...I stumbled on Riv's 2025 frame/bike schedule as of Nov 5, 2024 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_2025_Production_Schedule_1162024.png?v=1730926979 from https://www.rivbike.com/ scroll down to *how do I get one?* On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-6 Corwin Zechar wrote: > Hi Christian - > > Actually, Toyo frames have a 3 degree upslope in the top tube from back to > front. Not easy to see, but visible if you look carefully. > > I have a creamsicle Ram and a green Quickbeam. Both Toyo built. Also have > a custom and a Roadeo built by Mark Nobilette. And a Hubbuhubbuh presumably > built by Maxway. Each bike is different, but similar in critical ways. Each > bike is rock solid stable and descends incredibly well. When descending, > the bikes follow a line effortlessly and are easy to control. > > My Quickbeam is outfitted with a Platrack and Platsack, and frequently > hold loads north of 15-20 lbs. Whatever the load, the bike handles and > rides flawlessly. The Ram rides like a dream. Accelerating instantly and > descending as if we are free of the constraints of aerodynamics and > physics. The custom disappears out from under me when I ride. I only sense > the struggle of steep climbs and the screaming speed of descents. Instant > acceleration and near instant stops. > > I prefer Toyo frames over the more recent designs (Appaloosa, Platypus, > Clem, etc.) only because I employ a compact posture. My distaste for > upright posture is probably the only place where Grant and I diverge. This > is not to say I don't support riding with an upright posture. My stoker > loves riding upright. Our Hubbuhubbuh has Albastache for the captain and > Bosco bars for the stoker. And I rode thousands of miles on the Cunningham > tandem, outfitted with Bosco bars front and back. > > I agree that differences between Toyo/Waterford frames and more recent > Maxway frames made for Rivendell have lots more to do with the design of > the bike/frame than any subtle characteristics attributed to the people who > built the frames. > > Regards, > > > Corwin > > On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 8:17:22 AM UTC-8 Christian Santa wrote: > >> If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the >> below YouTube link I happened to come across as I researched this topic >> several weeks ago. It's not directly Rivendell related, but they do mention >> how they used to build other brands and how they've evolved. It's an >> interesting watch if you're a visual type of person and a fellow Toyo owner >> like myself. >> >> https://youtu.be/EajhYjSUxaU?si=8f4OFH9yBvd5yk2Q >> >> -Christian Santa >> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 7:15:58 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote: >> >>> The Toyo article is in Reader #31. >>> >>> https://notfine.com/rivendell/ >>> >>> I can see how I romanticized my recollection of it. I don't think >>> they're the ones who reserved certain tasks for elder artisans. They're a >>> company like many, who train employees in their methods and culture, and >>> hope they'll be around to continue in the future. >>> >>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 11:41:12 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote: >>> >>>> I have a Toyo built Romulus, a Bleriot which I believe was made by >>>> Maxway, a Riv custom built by Curt Goodrich, and an Appaloosa which I >>>> guess >>>> is probably made by Maxway as well. I can't really differentiate the >>>> quality of the lugwork and paint between the three factory-built frames, >>>> it's fine on all of them, as is the handling. The custom feels the nicest, >>>> particularly over indifferent road surfaces, but then the tubing sizes and >>>> gauges were chosen to suit a rider of my 63Kg weight, whereas the factory >>>> frames have to be built to potentially cope with much heavier riders - >>>> when >>>> I had the custom built, I also specified that it wouldn't be loaded with >>>> anything more than required for day tours, so it didn't have to be built >>>> to >>>> potentially cope with carrying a heavy touring load. >>>> >>>> Nick Payne >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/453a3e9e-2885-4ede-a3a0-f1a49c7ea1d4n%40googlegroups.com.
