I'm pretty sure it's meant affectionately/ironically.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Friday, July 6, 2012 5:37:58 PM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote:
> Sad when a $1400 bike is referred to as a "beater".
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:24:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
>>
>> Just got an email from Riv HQ, ther
Sad when a $1400 bike is referred to as a "beater".
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:24:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
>
> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly
> affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> Shipping is going up $1 too. I think i'll live.
>
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Dropout-style is up to Keven and Brian--as are many-most-maybe all of the
other stuff. Fixie fanatics will feel perturbed if it has verticals, and
yet the arguments for verticals are good, too---. I will look things over,
and have coached K and B minorly in frame design stuff--how to determine
No need to apologize, hope everyone stays safe today.
On Jul 4, 2012 6:56 PM, "James Warren" wrote:
> I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing.
>
> Happy 4th of July, everyone.
>
> -Jim W.
>
> P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego.
> It was Hillbornian. De
I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing.
Happy 4th of July, everyone.
-Jim W.
P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego. It
was Hillbornian. Details to follow.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Haha, it was just a f
I've developed a problem w/ horizontals on one of my bikes. Never had a
problem before or with other bikes, but it's pretty frustrating and
possibly going to be an expensive fix. I foolishly ordered horizontal when
I had it built thinking I wanted the option of riding it SS. Mistakes were
made, les
Haha, it was just a funny comment to me since it came off so patronizing.
We all have our perfect bike in our mind and doubtful we would all agree on
the same thing but it is fun to "discuss" our difference in opinions.
On Jul 4, 2012 4:50 PM, "newenglandbike" wrote:
>
> "I like how anyone who
"I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. "you have
eccentric hubs" Let us eat cake!"
LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical
dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options,
both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppr
People PLEASE. If Grant wants to snag some Surly/SOMA buyers with a cheaper
Rivendell sold as a complete derailer bike, he's gonna use verticals like
they do. If any Riv were a candidate for "eccentric dropouts", it would be
the HS/Rosco/Bosco, which is not intended to have a front derailer. Thi
I'm a giant fan of fixed gear bikes, but I'm tired of horizontal dropouts.
If a bike is made for derailleurs, vertical makes more sense. I might
prefer verticals all around, and use an eccentric ENO hub. Most of my
aspirational bikes come with Phil eccentric bottom brackets to get the
advantage
The question stands.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>> * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap,
>> uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a
>> (gawd-DAMN
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> * Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap,
> uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a
> (gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!!
>
You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with
I used an ENO on my first (1994) Riv custom and found that the brake
bridge was low enough that my 32 mm tire would rub the fender under
said bridge unless I took the trouble to rotate the hub *downward*
when uptaking chain slack -- an operation that I personally judge to
be 25.97865473% harder tha
I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. "you have
eccentric hubs" Let us eat cake!
On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, "James Warren" wrote:
> I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard
> of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioni
I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of
some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with
horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain.
- Jim W.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:
> 20 years
+1 for no problems with horiz. dropouts and QRs. I certainly haven't
had any issues with slippage on my quickbeam with the stock Suzue QR hub,
and I've really stomped on the pedals sometimes. BUT, I do like
vertical dropouts nonetheless, since they are just that much easier when
you're
>From the e-mail, it sounds as if this will be for complete builds only but
if Rivendell offered a frameset I might be interested. I would consider
paying a small premium over a Surly or Soma for a Rivendell. I'm building
up an older frame with a nice selection of parts so a complete bike isn'
20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops,
never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240
and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice,
especially if they want to get a broad audience.
On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, "PATR
Steve: First, no one who is competent ever had more than 1/2 second's
drawback putting a derailleur wheel into horizontal dropouts. Second,
as to the argument from who is to suffer for others' convenience, that
is surely a double edged sword and reduces to "I want" versus "they
want."
As to the av
I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about
buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be
deprived of the cheapest Rivendell?
Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of
horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one w
I would embrace horizontal dropouts too. I've never had an issue with one
since the 70's ... ever . Vertical I have had issues.
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On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 13:22 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Bah, horizontal drops worked well for decades and the give the option
> to go SS or internal, why not have options? Setting a wheel straight
> in a dropout takes about 30 seconds.
Horizontal dropouts NEVER worked "well." They worked lous
Bah, horizontal drops worked well for decades and the give the option to go
SS or internal, why not have options? Setting a wheel straight in a
dropout takes about 30 seconds.
On Jul 4, 2012 1:19 PM, "James Warren" wrote:
> Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler bike, and you never
>
I admire the desire for sure but I am scratching my head ...
First even if that can build a prototype for $1400 the real bike
will be more like $1600-1800. I base this on the their history of
introducing frames at a price but they go up very quickly. Look at the
Atlantis and Bo
Heartily agreed, steve.
-sv
On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, "Steve Palincsar" wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
>
> Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of
> derailleur drive trains, and this bi
Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler bike, and you never have to
worry about wheel slippage when using QR.
-Jim W.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
>> +1 on all that, especially hori
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of
derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive
train.
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRI
On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Manuel Acosta
wrote:
> Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the
> ground?
Manny:
You can't ride a Riv to the ground; they're just too tough. You can
wear out a lot of parts, tear up the paint pretty bad; dent it
here'n'there, but as to seri
$1400 isn't a huge premium over the CrossCheck and Long Haul Trucker completes,
which I would suggest are eating away at the bottom of the Rivendell market.
The LHT is SO common here in Philly, built up straight from Surly. I think the
are a lot of folks who could be upsold a couple hundred dol
+1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high
> $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along
> with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/servic
I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high
$ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along
with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to
judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as
rare as possible) trips
Unfortunately everyone cant own a Rivendell, it is a bit of a luxury item
but one that is beautiful and functional. So unlike a set of earrings or a
new watch you can actually do something with a 2k Rivendell. This new
project will at least lower that cost restriction but it will still be
"insane"
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to
> the ground?
>
>
Well, yeah. Which is why some aspects of this development make me scratch
my head.
"Cheap"? $1,400 ain't cheap if you're an hourly-wage w
I agree with Jim that a lot of the year is in prototyping. Especially if Grant
is working with tubes and/or lugs he's not so accustomed to, he'll want to
build up a couple and make sure they are still Rivs. The last thing he needs is
to have a bike out there that doesn't live up to the name, no
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 23:51 -0700, pb wrote:
>
> Ah, I don't think it would take $20,000,000 to bring a bike to
> market. I suspect that manufacturers in Taiwan are much more nimble
> than that, and I suspect that parts manufacturers will be happy to
> make sales.
The Kogswell P/R came to market
On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:51 PM, pb wrote:
Riv has had historic alliances with Merry Sales (if I recall correctly
-- weren't they the folks who distributed the Bleriot? Or was it
QBP?), as well as with Soma. Any of those could be very helpful in
lining up suppliers and supplies.
QBP handled the
On Jul 3, 10:19 pm, charlie wrote:
> It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000
> in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a
> company takes time to get something into production.everything from
> financing, parts vendors, product
I think you're close Peter. Soma's Stanyan comes in around the $700 mark
and they're using Tange. Velo-Orange also has a lugged frame retailing
around $700, although they've been on sale forever. The recent post
mentions tubing that's not as nice as other bikes so I imagine there's some
wiggle
It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000
in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a
company takes time to get something into production.everything from
financing, parts vendors, production availability, company debt (back
to f
On Jul 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be
> possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the
> are having 1k frames made in China or something like that.
Lessee...
Riv and Soma have a relationship
Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the
ground?
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>
> Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
> which development I would welcome.
Best comment ever.
But yes. Totally interested.
- Ryan
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:59:03 PM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>
> Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
> w
Agree with Joe on the minimalist detail approach; keep it low
profile. Using generic, non-group parts, it could be done. You just
ride it for a while & after a year upgrade whatever is tired. Wheels
will of necessity be machine built, no label hoops. We'll probably
see very simple lugs, as on t
Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
which development I would welcome.
:-)
pb
On Jul 3, 3:24 pm, Zack wrote:
> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly
> affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> Shipping is going up $1
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