I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha.  "you have
eccentric hubs"  Let us eat cake!
On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, "James Warren" <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard
> of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning
> with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain.
>
> - Jim W.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops,
> never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240
> and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice,
> especially if they want to get a broad audience.
> On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, "PATRICK MOORE" <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about
>> buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be
>> deprived of the cheapest Rivendell?
>>
>> Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of
>> horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an
>> ENO and one with replacement 1010s.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Heartily agreed, steve.
>> >
>> > -sv
>> >
>> > On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, "Steve Palincsar" <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
>> >> > +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
>> >>
>> >> Why?  They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of
>> >> derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur
>> drive
>> >> train.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >         I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course)
>> >> >         spends high
>> >> >         $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own,
>> >> >         along
>> >> >         with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at
>> >> >         least to
>> >> >         judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at
>> >> >         my (as
>> >> >         rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's
>> house.
>> >> >
>> >> >         I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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