The point of my post (point? point? we don't need no stinking point!) is
that experimentum trumps theoria every time.
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:54 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> For 15 years I have manfully resisted the "don't worry about tt, st angle
> and bar height compensate" message from Grant.
For 15 years I have manfully resisted the "don't worry about tt, st angle
and bar height compensate" message from Grant. I asked for a 56-57 cm c-c tt
on my customs and set them up with 8 cm stems and bars 4-5 cm below saddle;
very, very nice. Then I got, seriatim, a medium (17"!!) Monocog 29er wit
Whoops. It looks like the top of my post got bungled. Here is what
it should look like:
On May 5, 3:53 pm, Grant Petersen wrote:
> > It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells
> > frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you
> > need bars that co
On May 5, 3:53 pm, Grant Petersen wrote:
> > It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells
> > frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you
> > need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach.
>
Not here. I've read that article se
My Atlantis' primary mission is touring, and it's equipped with drop
bars, set about at seat height. I like drops for the variety of hand
positions and ability to sit fairly upright when on the tops as well
as getting low when bucking a headwind. The relationship of seat-
pedals-h'bars was based
> But again, it's just silly to think that Rivendells don't work well with
> drop bars and even lowish drop bars, just as it is silly to imply that
> lowish bars are only for racing.
Perhaps before calling me silly, you may have had the sense to look at
the original post and figure out my point.
on 5/5/10 7:08 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
>> You can disparage that as following "impractical race standards" all
>> you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works
>> better for me.
>
> Not disparaging anything. However, if you read through GP's Readers
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:32 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Can you find shirts and pants that fit you in the men's section at large
> chain stores? Then you are normal, no?
>
Shirts, if they are in the 'Tall' section. I find I can't keep them
tucked in if they are not.
and Pants if they are normali
Can you find shirts and pants that fit you in the men's section at large
chain stores? Then you are normal, no?
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:25 AM, PATRICK MOORE
> wrote:
> > Do you mean, "that is expected by Rivendell and designed for by
> Rive
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:25 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Do you mean, "that is expected by Rivendell and designed for by Rivendell"?
> IOW, what build does Grant have in mind when he designs his bikes?
> I'd guess the normal range.
Yes - but I don't know what 'normal' is. This is why I asked. :)
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:14 AM, PATRICK MOORE
> wrote:
> > And I have short arms for my height, so low bars aren't simply a means
> > of accommodating a weird build.
>
>
> Here's what I want to know. What is the size/proportion of legs/torso
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:14 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> And I have short arms for my height, so low bars aren't simply a means
> of accommodating a weird build.
Here's what I want to know. What is the size/proportion of legs/torso
arms/height that is expected and/or designed for?
I'd like to be
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > You can disparage that as following "impractical race standards" all
> > you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works
> > better for me.
>
> Not disparaging anything. However, if you read through GP's Readers
> he goe
That is what I did, as well as using shortish stems -- 8 cm. The bikes fit
and feel and handle perfectly.
The new Sam Hill is a 56 with a 59 tt and came with a 10 cm stem; I simply
kept the bars high -- about 1/2 inch above saddle versus 2" below for the
others -- tho' considerably lower than they
Perhaps... the PBH measurement emphasis is too strong? I've learned
over the years of hip and other injuries that top tube length and seat
tube angle are the most important bike dimensions to consider 1st. PBH
only tells you if you can straddle the top tube and how much seat post
will show. Of cou
> You can disparage that as following "impractical race standards" all
> you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works
> better for me.
Not disparaging anything. However, if you read through GP's Readers
he goes to great detail that he designed bikes for what he felt was a
m
In my experience, don't fear the long top tubes on Rivendells. I was
a bit apprehensive (at 5'9"+) about going from a 54-55 standard road
bike to a 57 Bleriot and 58 Saluki. They fit great and I didn't have
the bars all that high. Big bikes are comfy.
Ryan
On May 5, 5:08 pm, Bill Connell wrot
Indeed, page 20 of RR41 is where the Top Tube Ruse article is:
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/75/original_RR41_web.pdf
On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen wrote:
> > It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells
> > frames are not designed for drop bars. With the
I suppose one person's "impractical race standards" are another's
comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I
felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too
high.
You can disparage that as following "impractical race standards" all
you want, but the
Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to
stay away from impractical race standards?
On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas wrote:
> All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help
> with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the
> neut
All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help
with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the
neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play.
So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't
willing to adopt a higher bar
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