I'm a geeky chinese guy, started cycling early nineties when I was really
out of shape. Heard about mtb's, bought a bike and started pedaling.
People of color are "being shut out"? Interested in biking? Buy a bike and
start pedaling. Nothing is preventing anyone from doing that.
On Friday,
I'm a geeky chinese guy, started cycling early nineties when I was really
out of shape. Heard about mtb's, bought a bike and started pedaling. I
don't think any people of color are "being shut out". Who exactly is
shutting them out and how are they doing it?
On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 7:02:
Foiled again! Drats.
On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 8:31:41 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
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> Hi Mark,
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> I have no clue where you’re going with this, or what your point is, or
> what your agenda is—because you obviously have one—but have fun with it.
> If you’re trying to get my ire up or goad m
I would say what I said. The implication that all races have equal opportunity
to do whatever they want, and there's no societal barriers that make certain
people feel shut out of certain activities, is ridiculous. You don't see a
prevalence of African-Americans involved in cycling because it's
Dave, your assertion that "nobody is being shut out" is ridiculous. The
implication is that society is all cool for everybody, and we all as cultures
just happen to choose different things. That's something a white person would
think, and literally no one else.
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Hi Mark,
I have no clue where you’re going with this, or what your point is, or what
your agenda is—because you obviously have one—but have fun with it. If
you’re trying to get my ire up or goad me into some kind of
pseudo-intellectual debate on whatever it is you're talking about, then
you’
sounds like the average organized cycling event solo experience...
On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 10:40:02 PM UTC-7, Wilson Wilson wrote:
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> This year I have plotted out to participate in cycling events versus
> showing up as a volunteer Which even then I am still the lone Black
> guy. Here
On 6/12/19 2:35 PM, Wilson Wilson wrote:
I made a long winded response which deleted verses posted. Here is the short version. I have found
this amusing to read. Historically, when there are people who are viewed as " in need"
those making issue are White. The mindset comes from the years of g
I made a long winded response which deleted verses posted. Here is the short
version. I have found this amusing to read. Historically, when there are people
who are viewed as " in need" those making issue are White. The mindset comes
from the years of good and bad experience. There is a study wh
Well Dave, I thought you added a bit more than, cultural differences,and
people confuse them, that's it. You went on to add that they have their
thing and you have yours and what's the big deal--"*different cultures
gravitate to different things, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's
just t
Hi Mark,
My stance is that differences attributed to race are often differences in
culture. That's it. They're cultural differences, not racial differences.
You peeled a couple of layers away from that to tease out some specific
factors that might *create* cultural differences, and I don't d
I thought it was clear since I quoted the text that I was responding to one
particular post on the thread. I was just pointing out that "black culture" in
the US was formed partly in response to the culture and other circumstances
around it.
When I lived in NYC, I was involved in several cycli
I'm also interested in a discussion of race in cycling, but I don't have
the time at the moment to lay out my thoughts in an effective manner, so
I'll just post some links that might be helpful:
http://www.aquickbrownfox.com/
The website of Ayesha McGowan, a black woman who is a pro road racer
And my observation that at least in Southern Maryland, there are plenty
of black cyclists, but that in general they're most often found in
groups that are largely made up of other black cyclists, that's to be
dismissed as "anecdotal" and it's just chopped liver, right?
On 6/12/19 6:53 AM, 'Mar
Dave Small wrote:
*"**The purported paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a
racial phenomenonSo there aren't many black cyclists---so what? It's
not their thing. They have other things. Their things aren't my things,
and they're not trying to get me involved in their th
Sums up my thoughts on this kind of topic in a much more articulate manner. I
might have to steal it : pick.
On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 4:33:21 AM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
> These kinds of discussions confuse race with culture. The purported paucity
> of black cyclists is a cultural phenomen
Hello Patrick,
No harm, no foul. Of course I can be and am open to the conversation. It
struck me as putting microscope on something that for me seemed to separate
rather than bring together. Not you doing that necessarily but the article
focused on the club's blackness.
I prefer the lens to u
These kinds of discussions confuse race with culture. The purported
paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial
phenomenon. Race is genetic and affects physical characteristics, culture
is learned. We're not born cyclists, we have to learn it.
So there aren't many blac
Eddie: I posted my last post in some anger. I don't think it was entirely
unjustified, but besides justification there is also manners. I don't want
the topic to become *excessively* uncomfortable; though often a bit of
discomfort is good for each of us. That is certainly true of me.
All: As I sai
I'm mixed race and grew up in Asia and Africa. I live in a multiracial
state and married a woman from another race, My beautiful daughter is
Chinese Filipina English Scotts Irish with a black stepfather,
I find the different races, and cultures fascinating, and I confess to
having no scruples abo
If you're referring to my observations about the cycling scene in metro
DC / Southern Maryland, first let's not be so quick to dismiss as
"anecdotal". It's unnecessary and doesn't help. There's been no
statistical or experimental evidence provided in this discussion and my
observations of the
Also not to pick a fight or anything but citing anecdotal evidence (albeit cool
and good and positive and I’m happy all that’s happening evidence) as proof
that there isn’t a cultural, hierarchical, documented problem is
overgeneralization.
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On 6/9/19 9:31 PM, Drw wrote:
I agree. Nobody is calling anyone out. I think Patrick’s post is probably
purposefully without too much description of intent, because it’s hard to not
step in something controversial. Though I admit I don’t quite see the point
he’s making or asking, my belief i
I agree. Nobody is calling anyone out. I think Patrick’s post is probably
purposefully without too much description of intent, because it’s hard to not
step in something controversial. Though I admit I don’t quite see the point
he’s making or asking, my belief is that it comes from a genuine and
it's complicated, i admit:
here are two points of view:
https://medium.com/@journojoshua/we-should-stop-saying-people-of-color-when-we-mean-black-people-29c2b18e6267
https://www.afro.com/commentary-black-or-african-american/
On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 9:05:00 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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I don’t think anyone is calling anyone out. People need to be able to talk
about race. As long as it’s done in a self aware and thoughtful way, I think
it’s a positive thing. Saying race doesn’t matter is, generally speaking, a
viewpoint that’s easily held when you are a member of the dominant r
Black people are just people. Why call them out based on the color of their
skin? We don't do that for stupid people, but maybe we should. I do find
this topic disgusting. Just to let ya know.
On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 9:05:00 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> I anticipate that some people may
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