Sums up my thoughts on this kind of topic in a much more articulate manner.  I 
might have to steal it : pick.

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 4:33:21 AM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
> These kinds of discussions confuse race with culture.  The purported paucity 
> of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial phenomenon.  Race is 
> genetic and affects physical characteristics, culture is learned.  We're not 
> born cyclists, we have to learn it.  
> 
> 
> So there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
> have other things.  Their things aren't my things, and they're not trying to 
> get me involved in their things because they're their things and they don't 
> care that they're not my things, too.  Sociology PhD's working for 
> universities can get grant money to study these kinds of disparities and 
> publish the results and we can all read 'em with interest, but it doesn't 
> change the fact that different cultures gravitate to different things, and 
> there's nothing wrong with it.  It's just the way it is, and it's interesting 
> to know it and acknowledge it, but there's no need to "fix" it.  I know this 
> bothers Grant (there's my Riv content!), and he can have his issue with it 
> but I don't share his concern.  I'm not offended by his concern over it and I 
> don't think any less of him for it.  
> 
> 
> When I lived in California in the 90's I learned that 90% of the donut shops 
> in that state were owned by Cambodians.  Almost all of the women working in 
> manicure shops are from Vietnam.  Most NBA and NFL players are black, but few 
> hockey players, race car drivers, or professional golfers are.  In the 
> absence of limits, a large fraction of the students at top-tier US 
> universities are Asian.  These concentrations are way out of whack with the 
> groups' representation in the general population.  Why is it like that?  
> 'Cause it is, that's why, and it's fine.  Nobody's being shut out, except 
> maybe the non-Asians who can't get into the supposed "elite" universities 
> 'cause too many slots are taken up by the Asians, but the Asians get those 
> slots because they've earned them through hard work, which is a cultural 
> advantage they have over whites and blacks and Hispanics.  
> 
> 
> Really, there's much ado about nothing here.  Like Patrick, I've been kinda 
> fascinated by the concentration of certain races and nationalities in certain 
> professions ever since I learned about those California Cambodians---but as 
> an observer, not as someone who thinks it's evidence of something we need to 
> fix.   
> 
> 
> Finally, there's nothing wrong or offensive about Patrick's post.  What flows 
> to the keyboard starts in the mind, and Patrick doesn't think in a way that 
> would let him post something offensive.  So....chill.  No need for anyone to 
> get their panties in a twist over this.  
> 
> 
> Dave
> Boston/Indy

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