Foiled again! Drats. On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 8:31:41 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I have no clue where you’re going with this, or what your point is, or > what your agenda is—because you obviously have one—but have fun with it. > If you’re trying to get my ire up or goad me into some kind of > pseudo-intellectual debate on whatever it is you're talking about, then > you’ve failed. > > Dave > Boston/Indy > > > On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: >> >> Well Dave, I thought you added a bit more than, cultural differences,and >> people confuse them, that's it. You went on to add that they have their >> thing and you have yours and what's the big deal--"*different cultures >> gravitate to different things, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's >> just the way it is.*" >> >> It comes off as though, hey, everyone had an equal chance at this >> smorgasbord of different activities, and blacks gravitated to x, y, and z, >> not a, b, or c, because of black culture. Cool, no problem, just the way it >> is. >> >> Except not exactly, right. Some activities were "easier" to break the >> racial barrier in, some, not so "easy." To my ears your statement is >> cavalier. To say that I "peeled layers to tease out some specific factors" >> is a bit disingenuous, making it sound like semantic contortions were >> necessary to make some fairly obvious points. Any meaningful discussions of >> race are going to mostly encompass "culture," not genetic differences >> between races. >> >> No, you did not say black people don't like riding bikes. You said *"So >> there aren't many black cyclists---so what? It's not their thing. They >> have other things."* >> >> You mentioned Grant's "issue" with this, but said you don't share his >> concern. Grant is a public person who runs a company that presents a >> certain image to the world. So he is in a different position. He is also >> someone who tries to incorporate his beliefs into his business. It's a >> tricky thing to try to tackle the issues around race in this regard, >> perhaps most so when you happen to be a white guy, and it may be >> ill-advised and he has certainly drawn flack for his ruminations on catalog >> shots and reparations. >> >> But it's one of the ways to start some dialog, despite possible false >> starts or receiving ire. When I was publishing my cycling magazine in the >> 1990s, I thought about this a bit. I had some variety on my cover and in >> my content that skewed in favor of under-represented cyclists--i.e, anyone >> who was not a youngish white guy**. I never kept score, it happened mostly >> organically as good stories presented themselves, but looking back, the >> count ended up 4 white guys (two of the same guy, local legend Mike >> McCarthy) 5 white females, 4 black guys (including Messenger 29, a comic >> character) 1 black girl (M29s daughter, Kyla, also a comic character), a >> white male-female couple, 2 Hispanic guys (on one cover) and possibly 1 >> transgender person (which I was clueless about until someone told me later) >> and one crowd melting pot shot from the 5 Boro Tour. >> >> *****(For the record, I don't have angst or guilt over being a white >> guy, and the little I've heard about reparations doesn't sound like a good >> idea or very feasible on a number of fronts)* >> >> >> *Some photos of the covers and a few inside pages here: >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKsMN2sx6wgPPvjJ6 >> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKsMN2sx6wgPPvjJ6>* >> >> >>>>
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