I’ll also add that I have IGH bikes, I have single speeds, I have
multiple-geared bikes using derailleur shifting (both index and friction),
but I really don’t see any as “elegant” or some more elegant than others.
Maybe compared to automobiles, they are, but that’s not the definition
implied h
That seems an accurate summary to me, Bill, but this medium always puzzles
me by its sharing of opinions without agreeing on terminology. You might
guess I’m a pointy headed academic, which would be correct.
Neal Lerner
Brookline MA
On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 3:51:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay
Neal
Nobody gave a shared definition for elegant. It's just opinions being
shared. Patrick Moore just shared the opinion that IGH bikes are far more
elegant than derailleur bikes. I responded that in my opinion, IGH bikes
and derailleur bikes are equivalently elegant but an IGH bike is "max
Well, I must have missed the shared definition of what “elegant” means.
Seems the implication is that elegant is equivalent to simple or paired
down, e.g., devoid of the complications of derailleurs and gear clusters or
simple to maintain and service in Bill’s examples of cartridge BBs and belt
The silence is very nice, most of the time, but when I ride my commuter
with IGH and belt in the rain, I get a bit of wet belt squeak. It's not
intolerable, but it's not silent either.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 2:50 PM ian m wrote:
> Belt drive is extremely practical for people who don't *care *fo
We were expressing our opinions of elegance. I think there's significant
appeal across the board when there is a bike part X that replaces bike part
Y and does the same job with a lot less required maintenance. The example
most of us have experienced is the sealed BB unit. Introduced in the
Belt drive is extremely practical for people who don't *care *for
drivetrain maintenance. I maintain all my (and wife's) bikes and am
overjoyed with the IGH and belt drive on my Omnium cargo.
Not to mention the beautiful silence that accompanies riding with it.
On Friday, September 13, 2024 at
Belts would likely be well received if more bikes were built to accommodate
them.
A belt with an IGH be extremely practical for people who don’t maintain
their bikes.
Children’s bikes, commuter bikes and occasional use bikes that get stored
outside would benefit.
MHO
Ray
On Friday, Septembe
"elegant IMO"
Elegance certainly is in the eye of the beholder. Even if you think your
derailleur-equipped bike(s) are inelegant, I think they are equivalently
elegant to your IGH bike(s). I think they are all valid and equivalently
elegant ways to realize a build.
Pushing it to the limit
To be fair every road bike is a Roaduno. You pedal one gear at a time!
On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 9:00:02 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'd agree with the above sentiments that the name was settled on before
> the final iteration of the bike. If the bike was named after the final
>
I'd agree with the above sentiments that the name was settled on before the
final iteration of the bike. If the bike was named after the final design
was complete, I think 'RoaDuo' would be fitting
Brian
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 6:52:56 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Yes to the IGH
Yes to the IGH; far more elegant IMO than a FD and a chain tensioner not to
mention the multiple chainrings. But the defect of IGHs is the choice of
ratios, drag -- if you choose a wider-range, more-ratios hub the internal
friction increases, and if you choose the lowest drag options (several
tests
"I think an internal real hub like a sturmey-archer 3 speed with a compact
double crank and paul tensioner would be an incredible build"
That definitely would be a cool build.
BL in EC
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 12:19:13 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright
wrote:
> I absolutely fell in love
I absolutely fell in love with the early Karate Monkey. I have owned
several set up as fixed gears. I had purchased one with gears on it - and
it was absolutely the most annoying setup between the discs and derailer
and eventually stripped it down. I appreciated the idea though. I much
preferre
Eric,
I can only guess why the horizontal ends weren’t angled but my guess is the
gear changes are intended to be at the crank, hence the shifter boss and
derailer hanger.
I don’t know if brake position allows for the difference a 2 speed
freewheel offers or not.
Ray
On Thursday, September 1
I don’t disapprove of the Roaduno, just its brakes.
I had a later 2009 KM, and ran it both geared and single speed. And from
what I’ve seen on Surly forums, that was very typical. It was a bike made
to be tinkered with, like most Surlys of that era.
What really confounds me about the Roaduno’s dr
Eric
That's interesting. I think you mean that as kind of a burn, because I'm
pretty sure you disapprove of the RoadUno, which you are allowed to do. A
few questions though: Do you have any guess about what fraction of people
set up their 2003 Surly Karate Monkeys as single speeds? Do you th
The dropouts might be proprietary, but they're functionally identical to
those on a 2003 Surly Karate Monkey... though I doubt Riv's have the Surly
name cast in.
Eric
On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 2:09 PM Bill Lindsay wrote:
> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use
I said: "I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge
before the bike design was finished in its evolution"
then Edwin said: "I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed,
named it a Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what other cool/not usual ways
can I set this up
Hahaha, I love this conversation.
I agree with Bill Lindsay on almost anything he writes except for his
argument that the primary use of a bike named the Roaduno is as a two speed!
What I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed, named it a
Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what othe
"Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use
as the single speed signified by the name?"
This is fascinating. An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard for
bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible
platforms to fixies. That indivi
Edwin
I do own a fixie, and it is a Crust. It's the original offering Crust
Florida Man. It lives in my office in Michigan, and it's right at home
there in Western Wayne County. A fixie would be a disaster for me in the
SF East Bay.
BL in EC
On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 9:08:29 AM
Bill,
I have set my Roaduno up as a fixie for a couple of reasons, but only one
may apply to you: to experience a bike in a very simple form! Pedal
forward, your bike moves forward, pedal backward, your bike moves backward,
resist the forward movement of your pedals, the bike slows.
I can't sa
The main reason I bought a Roaduno was the track ends ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm loving it as a singlespeed (especially after adjusting the gear ratio).
I was pleased to see bikesnob defend the caliper brakes; this is another
feature I like about this bike that others seemingly weren't too keen on.
-tio "*
I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed
instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if
you see what I (1) mean.
I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my
question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got o
Bill,
If the Roaduno had been made with vertical dropouts then anyone wanting to
run it as a single speed would need to run a chain tensioner or use an
eccentric hub.
At that point I think a lot of people would just try running a single gear
on an existing bike.
The simplicity of not needing a
I think the tether is a good idea. Sure, if you're super careful and never
overload the rack and always tighten the bolts you should be fine. But it's
still a rack falling on a front wheel and over you go. I'll take the extra
safety precaution.
Joe Bernard
Clearlake CA
On Tuesday, September
"With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559
Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30
mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I
generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem."
It's true t
Aha, got it. My fixed gear road custom has a large bb drop (forget exactly
what, but with the fixed gear it was designed to use tires as small as 24
real inches in diameter -- 559 X 23 mm -- and Grant was careful to ask me
about the narrowest tires I planned to use.
Regarding previous threads on t
Riv is concerned the bottom bracket drop (80mm IIRC) is too low for a fixed
gear—pedal strike concern.
I would run it fixed without hesitation.
Eric
On Tuesday, September 10, 2024, Patrick Moore wrote:
> I learn more about Riv from Bike Snob than from their website, tho' that
> would easily be
I have never, and will never tether my racks with a “safety strap”.
Maybe I like to live dangerously, but also maybe I understand that tightening
bolts and not overloading racks is important too.
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I learn more about Riv from Bike Snob than from their website, tho' that
would easily be fixed if Grant posted more often.
Weiss has devoted a large part of several recent posts to his new Roaduno.
He mentioned these suggestions, from Rivendell, today.
First, "don't use your Roaduno as a fixed ge
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