Eric That's interesting. I think you mean that as kind of a burn, because I'm pretty sure you disapprove of the RoadUno, which you are allowed to do. A few questions though: Do you have any guess about what fraction of people set up their 2003 Surly Karate Monkeys as single speeds? Do you think the 2003 Surly Karate Monkey was regarded as a single speed that incidentally had a hanger? Or do you think it was regarded as a mountain bike, with a single speed option?
Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 2:56:06 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: > The dropouts might be proprietary, but they're functionally identical to > those on a 2003 Surly Karate Monkey... though I doubt Riv's have the Surly > name cast in. > > Eric > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 2:09 PM Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use >> as the single speed signified by the name?" >> >> This is fascinating. An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard >> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible >> platforms to fixies. That individual doubles-down on that disregard by >> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie. That same individual then >> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that >> matters is their own opinion. And then, with extreme earnestness, argues >> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that >> bicycle. >> >> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that >> encode their specific intent in their name? If that list is empty, then >> why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your >> interpretation of its name? >> >> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a >> tensioner. I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner. I >> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated >> single-purpose tensioner hanger. >> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a >> solo left-side down tube shifter boss. I call that the intent that the >> build include a left side shifter. >> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings. I call >> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings. >> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno). >> Grant's build is not a single speed. Grant celebrates and encourages >> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner. I call that the >> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno. >> >> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a >> genius format. If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I >> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm >> O.L.D. I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge >> before the bike design was finished in its evolution. That's why I call my >> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo. Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine. >> >> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can >> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie. If that's what >> they decide to do, I hope they love it. I think people who want a single >> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno >> as a single speed. If that's what they do, I hope they love it. I think >> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone >> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical >> dropouts. I like the track ends. I like how they look, and I like that >> they are proprietary. I like that they look like a monster. I like the >> rack eyelet they present. I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve >> the wheel removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect >> fender treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts. I think >> the track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to >> go with the primary intent of the bike. I get it that some people hate the >> look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner. I'm >> sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their >> RoadUno, which they have every right to do. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell >>> fixed instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, >>> if you see what I (1) mean. >>> >>> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my >>> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set >>> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free. >>> >>> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use >>> as the single speed signified by the name? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or >>>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a >>>> freewheel? I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new >>>> RoadUno as a fixie*. Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up >>>> my new RoadUno as a fixie? >>>> >>> >>>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that >>>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts. >>>> >>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43108c02-30c9-4339-81a9-c8eab8737e32n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43108c02-30c9-4339-81a9-c8eab8737e32n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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