> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:40:39 +
> From: all...@cybaea.com
> To: muenchen@gmail.com
> CC: frien...@yorku.ca; had...@rice.edu; r-h...@stat.math.ethz.ch
> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata, Statistica,
Not R, but just to get the data (format is month year,week,count) to
compare with your students' output:
perl -MLWP::UserAgent -e 'my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new(); my $l =
$ua->request(HTTP::Request->new(GET =>
qq{http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/sas-l.html}))->content(); while
( $l =~ m{h
On 3/22/2011 5:15 PM, Hadley Wickham wrote:
I don't doubt that R may be the "most popular" in terms of discussion group
traffic, but you should be aware that the traffic for SAS comprises two
separate lists that used to be mirrored, but are no longer linked
Usenet -- news://comp.soft-sys.sas (
> I don't doubt that R may be the "most popular" in terms of discussion group
> traffic, but you should be aware that the traffic for SAS comprises two
> separate lists that used to be mirrored, but are no longer linked
> Usenet -- news://comp.soft-sys.sas (what you counted)
> listserve -- "SAS-L
On 3/22/2011 6:37 AM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) wrote:
Greetings,
I've just put out the latest version of "The Popularity of Data Analysis
Software" at http://r4stats.com/popularity. This update includes complete data for
2010, the addition of number of blogs for each software, more coverage of
given up on!
Bob
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On Behalf Of Joris Meys
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:56 PM
To: Dario Solari
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
Nice idea, but quite
On 26 Giu, 17:19, Allan Engelhardt wrote:
> On 26/06/10 16:07, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) wrote:
>
> > I've been trying to make sense of Google Scholar searches. I'm obviously
> > missing something basic. Here are two searches onwww.google.com:
>
> > sas - gets 68M hits
> > sas OR spss - gets 74.3M
Friday, June 25, 2010 10:10 PM
> >To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
> >Cc: Dario Solari; r-help@r-project.org
> >Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
> >
> >>>I had taken the opposite tack with Google Trends by subtracting
> >> keywords
> >
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On Behalf Of Joris Meys
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:56 PM
To: Dario Solari
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
Nice idea, but qui
>-Original Message-
>From: Joris Meys [mailto:jorism...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:10 PM
>To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>Cc: Dario Solari; r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>>>I had taken the oppos
; rid
>>of.
>>
>>Thanks for getting me back on a topic that I had given up on!
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
>>[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>>>On Behalf Of Joris Meys
>>
> -Original Message-
> From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
> On Behalf Of Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:39 AM
> To: Liviu Andronic
> Cc: r-help@r-project.org
> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity o
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:08 PM
>To: Joris Meys; Dario Solari
>Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS
y, June 24, 2010 7:56 PM
>To: Dario Solari
>Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>Nice idea, but quite sensitive to search terms, if you compare your
>result on "... code" with "... code for":
>http://www.google.com
>-Original Message-
>From: Liviu Andronic [mailto:landronim...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:15 AM
>To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM,
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
wrote:
> come up with so far at http://r4stats.com/popularity . I'm sure people
> will have plenty of ideas on how to improve this, so please let me know
> what you think.
>
This is not much of a metric, probably not even a ballpark, but I
I add some scientific references for Google Insights for Search:
* Google Predicting the Present
http://www.google.com/googleblogs/pdfs/google_predicting_the_present.pdf
* Google Econometrics and Unemployment Forecasting
http://ftp.iza.org/dp4201.pdf
* Query Indices and a 2008 Downturn: Israeli
I think you need speech marks though:
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=%22r%20code%20for%22%2C%22sas%20code%20for%22%2C%22spss%20code%20for%22&cmpt=q
(There's not a lot of people looking for SPSS code ...)
Jeremy
On 24 June 2010 16:56, Joris Meys wrote:
> Nice idea, but quite sensitive
dangit, tab in the way...
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Joris Meys wrote:
> Nice idea, but quite sensitive to search terms, if you compare your
> result on "... code" with "... code for":
> http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=r%20code%20for%2Csas%20code%20for%2Cspss%20code%20for&cmpt=q
T
Nice idea, but quite sensitive to search terms, if you compare your
result on "... code" with "... code for":
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=r%20code%20for%2Csas%20code%20for%2Cspss%20code%20for&cmpt=q
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Dario Solari wrote:
> First: excuse for my english
First: excuse for my english
My opinion: a useful font for measuring "popoularity" can be Google
Insights for Search - http://www.google.com/insights/search/#
Every person using a software like R, SAS, SPSS needs first to learn
it. So probably he make a web-search for a manual, a tutorial, a
guid
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>On Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby
>Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:49 PM
>To: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
...
>
>I don't
"Quantitative aggregation manager. Double your pay, easy."
I love it.
It's up there with "Conflict resolution manager"==Army officer
--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Jim Lemon wrote:
> From: Jim Lemon
> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
> To:
On 06/22/2010 11:20 PM, John Kane wrote:
...
Well yes, I've used it myself I think, but I was hoping for something a bit
'sexier'.
Quantitative aggregation manager. Double your pay, easy.
Jim
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On 06/20/10 02:31 PM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) wrote:
Hi All,
I've been fiddling around with various ways to estimate the popularity
of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata, JMP, Minitab, Statistica, Systat, BMDP, S-PLUS,
R-PLUS and Revolution R. It's not an easy task. You can see what I've
come up with so far a
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ivan Calandra
wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I have no idea whether it is realistic, but if you look for the papers that
> used R or SAS (or anything), you might get better results by searching for
> the way R and SAS are cited.
I wonder what the effects of different format
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
On Behalf Of Ivan Calandra
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:47 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
Bob,
I have no idea whether it is realistic, but if
t;>
>>Kjetil Halvorsen
>>
>>On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>-Original Message-
>>>>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
>>> [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>>
Patrick Burns
Subject
Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Marc Schwartz
wrote:
>>
>> Well yes, I've used it myself I think, but I was hoping for something a
bit 'sexier'.
>
>
> "L'analyse des Données&q
s.
David
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UBS Investment Research
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
To: Patrick Burns
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
Sent: Tue Jun 22 14:38:38 2010
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R,
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Marc Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Well yes, I've used it myself I think, but I was hoping for something a bit
>> 'sexier'.
>
>
> "L'analyse des Données"
>
> Say it with a deep voice ;-)
If you use R in a health or medical context, and are asked what you
do, the
Hehe,
You do have a point in not calling R a statistical language. It is
indeed far more than that; Yet, I don't agree that statistics is done
by stuffy professors. Wished it was so, but alas, last time I looked
at my paycheck I had to conclude that I might be stuffy, but I'm far
from being paid a
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Marc Schwartz wrote:
> From: Marc Schwartz
> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
> To: "John Kane"
> Cc: "Liviu Andronic" , r-help@r-project.org, "Patrick
> Burns"
> Received: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 9:
On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:20 AM, John Kane wrote:
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/22/10, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>
>> From: Liviu Andronic
>> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>> To: "John Kane"
>> Cc: "Joris Meys" , "Patrick Bu
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> From: Liviu Andronic
> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
> To: "John Kane"
> Cc: "Joris Meys" , "Patrick Burns"
> , r-help@r-project.org
> Received: Tuesday, June 22, 2010,
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM, John Kane wrote:
> You may well have a point. Also a lot of my use of R is more data
> manipulation and cleaning often with no more than a couple of graphs as the
> final output so another term makes sense. But what should it be?
>
"Data analysis"?
My 0.02€,
L
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Patrick Burns wrote:
> From: Patrick Burns
> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
> To: "Joris Meys"
> Cc: r-help@r-project.org
> Received: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 5:34 AM
> Identifying with the most dreaded experience
> i
vor...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:12 AM
>To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>Cc: ted.hard...@manchester.ac.uk; r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>One should also take into account the other R list. For example, as of
>today the n
I'll expand my statement slightly.
Yes, Peter, you are the archetypical
stuffy professor. The truth hurts.
By any reasonable metric that I've
thought of my company name is at least
one-third "statistics", from which a
common (and I think correct) inference
would be that I'm not anti-statistics.
>-Original Message-
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>On Behalf Of Joris Meys
>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:32 AM
>To: Patrick Burns
>Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>On
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
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>On Behalf Of Patrick Burns
>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:16 AM
>To: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>I think there is a pr
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Ted Harding
>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:01 PM
>To: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
...
>
>John and I discus
-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
On Behalf Of Ted Harding
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:42 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
I've given thought in the past to the question of estimating the R
user base, and came to the conclu
Patrick Burns wrote:
> I think there is a problem with the
> question: Not everyone thinks of R
> as a statistics program. Furthermore,
> I don't think it should be thought of
> as a statistics program.
>
> (Statistics is what stuffy professors
> do, I just look at my data and try to
> figure ou
t;>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
> [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>>On Behalf Of Ted Harding
>>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:42 PM
>>To: r-help@r-project.org
>>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>>
>>
>>I've given
3:47 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
Bob,
I have no idea whether it is realistic, but if you look for the papers
that used R or SAS (or anything), you might get better results by
searching for the way R and SAS are cited.
Hi Ivan
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Patrick Burns
wrote:
>
> (Statistics is what stuffy professors
> do, I just look at my data and try to
> figure out what it means.)
Often those stuffy professors have a reason to do so. When they want
an objective view on the data for example, or an objective mea
t: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
On Behalf Of Hadley Wickham
... What about snowball
sampling with R-help as an initial frame?
That's an interesting idea! I could put
Nice work. I'm interested in trends more than absolutes. Is there any
way you could track the number of citations to the R package? E.g.
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?as_q=&as_epq=R%3A+A+Language+and+Environment+for+Statistical+Computing
except I think there are better citation indexes
20, 2010 3:47 PM
>>> To: r-help@r-project.org
>>> Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> I have no idea whether it is realistic, but if you look for the papers
>>> that used R or SAS (or anything), you mig
ggest.
Christos
> Subject: RE: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:11:14 -0400
> From: muenc...@utk.edu
> To: argch...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
> [mailto:r-help-boun..
At 09:01 PM 6/20/2010, Ted Harding wrote:
On 20-Jun-10 19:49:43, Hadley Wickham wrote:
Whales are a different kettle of fish! They are much more directly
observable, in principle, than are R-users. For one thing, a whale
has to come to the surface to breathe every so often, and if you
are in a sh
On 20-Jun-10 19:49:43, Hadley Wickham wrote:
>> I've given thought in the past to the question of estimating the R
>> user base, and came to the conclusion that it is impossible to get
>> an estimate of the number of users that one could trust (or even
>> put anything like a margin of error to).
>
On 20/06/2010 6:36 PM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) wrote:
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From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
On Behalf Of Ivan Calandra
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:47 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:43 PM
>To: Hadley Wickham; ted.hard...@manchester.ac.uk
>Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R]
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Hadley Wickham
... What about snowball
>sampling with R-help as an initial frame?
That's an interesting idea! I could put together a Two-item web survey:
1. What stat package do
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Ivan Calandra
>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:47 PM
>To: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>Bob,
>
&g
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Ted Harding
>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:42 PM
>To: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>
>I've
How about getting statistics of downloads of the R-base from the different CRAN
mirrors ?
This should (in principle) allow one to estimate the total # of people who
intended to use R at some point in their life.
It may even be possible to analyze those numbers for temporal trends since the
da
> I've given thought in the past to the question of estimating the R
> user base, and came to the conclusion that it is impossible to get
> an estimate of the number of users that one could trust (or even
> put anything like a margin of error to).
I find it hard to believe that it should be harder
Bob,
I have no idea whether it is realistic, but if you look for the papers that
used R or SAS (or anything), you might get better results by searching for the
way R and SAS are cited.
It looks to me that what I'm saying is not clear, so here an example.
To cite R in a paper you have to write
On 20-Jun-10 19:07:21, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) wrote:
>>I wonder if there are any capture-recapture type methodologies for
>>estimating open-source software usage? Another idea would be to
>>combine with some other known numbers, e.g. book sales, conference
>>attendance etc. You'd need personal i
>I wonder if there are any capture-recapture type methodologies for
>estimating open-source software usage? Another idea would be to
>combine with some other known numbers, e.g. book sales, conference
>attendance etc. You'd need personal information to link the data sets
>together.
>
>Hadley
This
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of David Winsemius
>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:05 PM
>To: Stefan Grosse
>Cc: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
&
> I agree with all your points. What I have so far is nowhere near the big
> picture, but it's a start. When you install some software it asks if you
> mind it reporting usage stats back to its home site. I know that sort of
> thing has been discussed before on R-help. I'd love to see that added so
>-Original Message-
>From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org
[mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
>On Behalf Of Stefan Grosse
>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 10:25 AM
>To: r-help@r-project.org
>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>
>Am 20.06.2010
On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Stefan Grosse wrote:
Am 20.06.2010 15:31, schrieb Muenchen, Robert A (Bob):
I've been fiddling around with various ways to estimate the
popularity
of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata, JMP, Minitab, Statistica, Systat, BMDP, S-
PLUS,
R-PLUS and Revolution R. It's not an eas
Am 20.06.2010 15:31, schrieb Muenchen, Robert A (Bob):
> I've been fiddling around with various ways to estimate the popularity
> of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata, JMP, Minitab, Statistica, Systat, BMDP, S-PLUS,
> R-PLUS and Revolution R. It's not an easy task. You can see what I've
> come up with so far at
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