Doug Holton wrote:
> That is exactly why YAML can be improved. But XML proves that getting
> it "right" for developers has little to do with getting it right for
> users (or for saving bandwidth). What's right for developers is what
> requires the least amount of work. The problem is, that's
nt and that the semantic structure is important.
People who have used non-wysiwyg editors have found that their initial
reticence has been quickly overtaken by their joy at not having to fight
with 'style' and the reassurance that their content is now 'redesign
proof'.
Tim Parkin
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ine
python or some alternative programming syntax), marked up as html in
string elements (liable to validation errors and difficult to manage) or
small fragments of html would have to be marked up as patterns and then
manipulated in some fashion. The last is possible using nevow and the
manipulatio
using css
for layout and trying to follow w3c guidelines (e.g. the relative font
sizing thing)... However our aim is to make the site readable in all
browsers in the majority of normal configurations.
Thanks for the feedback..
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rzed wrote:
> So what's the character encoding? I haven't found (WinXP Firefox)
> that displays that city in Sweden without a paragraph symbol or
> worse.
It's going to be utf8 hopefully but we're just fighting with conversions
from existing content which I'd wrongly assumed was already iso8859-1
st,
>>>
>>>Fuzzyman
>>>http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
>>>(and yes I do get referrals from these links...)
>>>
>>
>>Please note that one major rationale behind the new design is precisely
>>becuase relatively few peopl
Fuzzyman wrote:
>Tim Parkin wrote:
>[snip..]
>
>
>>Hi Fuzzyman,
>>
>>Thanks for the feedback and volunteering to contribue... The list of
>>already built sections is not really up to date but I have added a few
>>tickets to the trac on some se
Martin Maney wrote:
>Nah, it's very simple, if you can let go of the wrong-headed notion
>that the web is just like print media. Of course that means you're
>unlikely to win any design awards, or even get a lot of commecnts about
>how spiffy your web site looks, because all the design geeks will
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> JW wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:00:05 -0600, Tim Chase wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://tim.thechases.com/pythonbeta/pythonbeta.html
>>>
>>
>>Very strange. With FF 1.0.7, I can just get the buttons to violate the
>>next column if I "View>Page Style>Large Text", but I wouldn'
JW wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:19:37 +0000, Tim Parkin wrote:
>
>
>>http://pyyaml.org/downloads/masterhtml/
>>
>>Feedback appreciated ... Many thanks
>
>
> Again, with FF 1.0.7 (on FC4 Linux BTW), the left column no longer
> violates the right. Howe
Tim Chase wrote:
>> The nav styles have crept back in sync with the rest of the
>> site.. ;-) can you check again and tell me if it looks ok (and
>> if not get me another screenie?)
>
>
> Sorry it took so long to get back to you. It looked fine from home, but
> the originals were snapped back at
s whose answers may help us:
Do you have a problem with the way we are trying to 'market' python?
Which content in particular do you have an objection to?
Could you expand on why you think the beta site looks 'phony'?
Could you tell me what about the site makes you think it looks 'cool' or
'flashy'?
Could you come up with some alternative for the intro copy about python?
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mple of a site info architecture that feels like 2005 would be
good. Also an example of a backend architecture that isn't like 1998
would be good too.
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Tim N. van der Leeuw wrote:
> Shalabh,
>
> You've managed very well to express the same things I feel about the
> new Python website.
>
> What I especially dislike about the new website are the flashy pictures
> on the front-page with no content and no purpose -- purely boasting but
> nothing to
Roel Schroeven wrote:
> Tim N. van der Leeuw schreef:
>
>>Shalabh,
>>
>>You've managed very well to express the same things I feel about the
>>new Python website.
>
>
> FWIW, I don't like the new site at all. It tries to look slick (but
> fails to do so in my opinion), and buries the useful inf
Tim N. van der Leeuw wrote:
> Steve,
>
> My apologies if this apppeared to be 'slagging'. I was trying to give
> some feedback but I do realize that I don't have anything better to
> offer yet to replace the pictures I dislike.
>
> Perhaps I should have withheld my criticisms until I could offer
Leeuw van der, Tim wrote:
>I think that in general, I don't like the fact that links to
>high-profile users are featured so prominently. That row of pictures
>there looks good to me 'as such' but linking there to 'success stories'
>feels, dunno, perhaps a bit cheesy to me. (That might be just my d
Tim Golden wrote:
>[Shalabh Chaturvedi]
>
>| Hm. Am I the only one not particularly impressed? Sure the
>| front page is
>| 'slick' but a few clicks reveal a fairly shallow facade of marketing
>| material, with no real content. In general gives the impression of
>| 'phony' company trying to make a
JW wrote:
>Tim the Taller (I presume he's taller; he's Dutch) and the other critics
>fail to realize is that no one reads "content".
>
>I'm assured that in print ads the only "content" anyone reads is in
>picture captions, and you damn well better make sure your message is
>conveyed there. Any oth
her offering useful changes
that would make sense at this point in time or offereing to provide help
that would be greatly appreciated.
I'm afraid I won't be able to respond at length to any more posts..
There is still a lot of work to be done to get the website live.
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>
>
>>This critique is all very well, but it tends to rely rather heavily on
>>the words "I think". You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but
>>please don't think that this new design was created on a whim.
>
>
> you keep saying that, but whene
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>Steve Holden wrote
>
>
>
>>As you indicated, there are other priorities just at the moment.
>>
>>
>
>you're complaining about the lack of manpower, and still think that lowering
>the threshold for contributions is not a priority ? at this point, this should
>be your *o
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>>Good and congratulations, it shows that the source code is well
>>formatted/consistent - I wish the rest of the website html/data were so.
>>If you are suggesting that your skills can do this with the rest of the
>>site content then please, please help!!
>>
>>In fact I will
� wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>
>>>Tim Golden wrote:
>>>
>>>
[Steve Holden]
| https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org
| but I don't know whether anonymous access is enabled. Maybe you can
let
|me know ...
Doesn't look like it. Asking me for authen
Gerhard Häring wrote:
>
> The other part of my experiment was a stupid build system that
> recursively looks for KID files in a directory tree and renders them to
> HTML.
>
> My idea is that for each KID file there would be a corresponding
> content.xml file that would come from the MoinMoin dump-
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>Tim Parkin wrote:
>
>
>
>>It sounds very similar to what we have already built!! What we have also
>>parses yaml files, rest files, inline rest content, has special
>>renderers for navigation and breadcrumbs and handles cacheing of bu
I'm trying to convert fragments of wiki markup into fragments of html
(specifically using moinmoin markup). I've managed to do this with
MoinMoin but I've had to create a data directory, config file and
underlay. Does anybody know if there a sane way of doing this without
the extr
Terry Hancock wrote:
> On 22 Jan 2006 14:18:18 -0800
> *I* don't want a "slick brochure" for Python as the website.
>
> For all the commercial value in Python (and there is plenty,
> I am sure), it's not Java, and I don't want it to be. I'm
> cool with suits loving it too, but I don't want to hav
Jarek Zgoda wrote:
> Tim Parkin napisa�(a):
>
>
>>I'm trying to convert fragments of wiki markup into fragments of html
>>(specifically using moinmoin markup). I've managed to do this with
>>MoinMoin but I've had to create a data directory, config file
Magnus Lycka wrote:
> ...
>
>I don't like anyone to hand me different texts based on whom
>I say I am. I want to know what the texts are about and decide
>for myself where to go. These are texts, not dressing rooms!
>
>
Unfortunately most people do.. That's why there are beginners books,
busines
Alex Martelli wrote:
> Max M. Stalnaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>I urged a friend from Boeing to use python on a personal project. He liked it
>>and repeatedly urged a Boeing developer to use it. Python is on the list of
>>approved languages at Boeing. The developer wrote a thousand li
beautiful soup' and
you should find it easily).
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s your project then you should
be able to use the sample code.
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ng essentials'. I
found it quite a good book and managed to write a distributed ssh cron
tool in an evening after reading the sections on SSH.
What I'd really like now is a 'Web Application Development with
Twisted/Nevow' book that takes off where this 'network protocol'
oriented book leaves off.
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the use
of Twisted with web protocols but doesn't really go into the current,
recommended way to build web applications (because at the time of
writing the possibility of api changes for nevow/twistedweb2 was quite
high?). In fact it does say in the book that "..if you are really
interested
dosnt work: only keep printing SuSE. Please help,
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- /usr/bin/byte
>
import random
dist = ['suse','ubuntu','mandriva','fedora']
random.choice(dist)
is that ok?
Tim Parkin
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Charles wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am looking for a freelance Python programmer to create a cross-platform
>application with wxPython.
>Any idea where I could find one?
>Thanks,
>
>
>
You could ask Steve Holden? - that'll be 10% commission Steve! ;-)
Tim Parkin
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e is some sample code:
http://divmod.org/trac/attachment/wiki/DivmodNevow/FormHandling/Example1.2.tac.py
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you want flexible debugging in a gui environment
it's hard to beat.
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lenge you more and you'd have
a chance to learn some different approaches to common cs problems.
If I were to recommend based on you wanting a project, I'd say zope3. If
it's based on getting some content up and editable quickly then I'd say
wiki. If you're aiming for a str
g is one of
> the parts that disturbs me.
>
They're freindly snakes at a tadpole fancy dress competition having a
'cuddle'. Where do you think Python eggs come from...
Tim Parkin
p.s. the logo is actually based on mayan representations of snakes which
very often represent only t
version of the logo?
>
An alternate 'collectors' rendition of the new logo as used by Guido Van
Rossum in his recent New York Google presentations and also as on
t-shirts, mugs and flags handed out during EuroPython 2005!
Tim Parkin
p.s. was that good enough spin for you ;-)
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Anthony Greene wrote:
> Hello, I know this isn't really a python centric question, but I'm seeking
> help from my fellow python programmers. I've been learning python for the
> past year and a half, and I still haven't written anything substantial nor
> have I found an existing project which blows
Steven Bethard wrote:
> Brian Cole wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure if this is the proper place to post this...
>>
>>A lot of the essays at http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ have a messed
>>up layout in Firefox and IE.
>
>
> The proper place to post this is to follow the "Report website bug" link
> at t
Roy Smith wrote:
>The first two links on the "News and Announcements" are dead -- they get
>you a "404 File Not Found". I've opened a critical ticket on this in the
>bug tracker. I see there's another ticket open already on a similar issue.
>
>My recommendation would be that if these can't be
> is much better than
>
> $ bluecheese install hello
>
I have to say I prefer pypi myself.. I think it's a great idea
subtitling it 'cheeseshop' but referring to it directly as "cheeseshop"
is confusing at best. I've already had a few req
For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
not developing python.
Also 'Foundation' could be confused with 'beginners' or 'basic'.
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
>
>
>>For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
>>not developing python.
>
>
> the page it leads has headings that say "Python Developers Guide" and
> "Links for
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>Tim Parkin wrote:
>
>
>
>>Simple user questions (i.e. asking people what they think a 'developers'
>>link would lead to on a programming site) suggests that the majority of
>>people think differently to you.
>>
>>
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
> I surely hope you're not optimizing the site only for people who don't in-
> tend to leave the front page...
>
I sureley hope you can stop being facetious..
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#x27;re trying to approach
it from the top down. At the moment we've trimmed down the number of top
level sections and the next stage is to address the top page of each of
those sections (e.g. the 'community', 'documentation','python-dev' pages).
Still some w
Steve Holden wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
>>Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>>
>>I sureley hope you can stop being facetious..
>>
>
> And I surely hope we can all work together for the better representation
> of Python to *all* of its communities :-)
>
> regards
&
>
>
> That website is down. You could try the archive as well:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050401015445/http://www.python.org/
or you can look at http://archive-www.python.org which will be up for
the next month.
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k it works well.. I've also
removed a couple of bits from the left hand nav and moved the style
sheet switcher elsewhere (it probably should be in the help section). I
think the left hand nav is a lot clearer if kept simple.
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who develop
>>Python itself."Core Development"? (Used on both perl.org and tcl.tk, so
>>maybe this is the best option.)
>>
>
>"core development" is fine with me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
forgot the link..
http://psf.pollenation.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/attachment/ticket/47/python-amends-2.png
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aybe this is the best option.) "Development Team"?
>>
>>+1 on Core Development. It's still ambiguous, but less
>>so. And I can't think of anything better. ;)
>
>
> Since I just said almost that independently on an earlier
> thread, I guess that makes me +1 on "Core Development" (or
> "Core Developers") myself.
>
Sold to the man in the blue hat!! It's on the server now...
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using a proxy (one of the anonymous proxies would do the job).
Tim Parkin
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d (with public/private keys). This was written to scratch a small
itch but also to learn how twisted works with conch, it's ssh module.
http://crontorted-project.pollenation.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
Feel free to use, I haven't put a license on it but it would be MIT/BSD
.. contact me if you want an explicit confirmation.
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Tim Parkin wrote:
> Spire 01 wrote:
>
>>Greetings!
>>
...
>>Thanks a million!
>>Spire
>
>
>
> I wrote a small tool to implement cron like functionality over ssh using
> twisted (with public/private keys). This was written to scratch a small
&g
oject.pollenation.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
>
>Jean-Paul
>
>
And http://divmod.org/trac/wiki/DivmodNevow/FormHandling
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guy got onto it)
What are you trying to implement.. it may be that you don't need
livepage at all.. Is it just some javascript to enhance a form field?
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e still isn't a 'usage' guide for the new logo but I'll get onto one
soon hopefully.
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the documentation won't
change but it will have a new navigation (rather than just the back, up,
forward on the current latex2html output). It's probably best to get
something up on a test site to look at before over-analysing it though..
Tim Parkin
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inconsistency seems worse)
>
> John
I presume so. It's not really up to me though. Someone has created some
new icons based on the new logo that have received some positive
feedback and that I like a lot.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Now, it works well... I really don't know why it before report 404 Not
> Found... I was tested it 5x... I'm sorry for unwanted false bug report.
Hi Bones, It really was a bug!! I'd seen it reported on the bug tracker
and made a quick fix which is why I hadn't closed the
o allow an operation where a 180-pound
character can carry 10,000 gold pieces might actually remove the aspect
of fun from the game."
Isn't this data validation and if it is, should the compiler be checking
this?
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