Thanks, Ned! That really helps to explain what is going on. Now, just
a couple more questions and I think I will know all I need to know.
First, I *still* don't quite understand why this happens with my 2.6.6
interpreter but not my 2.6.1, and why another of the respondents to
this thread (Chris) c
> Completely off topic but I think the try clause could be rewritten that way:
> ...
> Don't use bare except clause, you're masking syntax errors for instance,
> which will be flagged as 'unexpected error in generation ...".
> In a more general manner, if something unexpected happens it's better t
On Nov 16, 11:19 pm, Ned Deily wrote:
> Interesting. It appears that OS X 10.6 takes into account the ...
Thanks very much for your thorough explanation, Ned! I think I've got
what I need now.
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Thanks for the clarification on exceptions, Chris!
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Hi JM,
Thank you very much for your followup explanation!
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t; What am I missing?
You need to be processing messages to receive COM events.
Try replacing your sleep loop with pythoncom.PumpMessages().
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It is
disturbing just many 2.3 users there still are though.
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inux,
Windows, 32 and 64 bit.
If the local machine doesn't have a compiler you can even use libtcc or
something newer. For example see this 3 year old page, as well as links at
the bottom:
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buffers in py2), long ints
(needing L suffix in some py2 versions), the next() builtin from py3,
exec syntax differences etc. You can see more details in the first 120
lines of http://code.google.com/p/apsw/source/browse/apsw/trunk/tests.py
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tables (you provide
the underlying data for the SQL queries to work on) and VFS (you provide
the file access). See this link for more details:
http://apsw.googlecode.com/svn/publish/pysqlite.html
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You'll also be able to control how read and
write are done (eg read vs recvfrom vs recvmsg vs readv). You can use
os.fdopen to convert your raw file descriptor into a Python file object
if appropriate.
If you do use ctypes then you'll only need to distribute pure Python
source code.
Roge
On Jul 31, 2:09 am, "steve" wrote:
> Is there a good way to check if a script is running inside Pythonwin?
> Perhaps a property or method that is exposed by that environment?
I've used
if sys.stdin.fileno() < 0:
This is not precisely a test for pythonwin, but indicates whether
standard streams
ich database servers are more tuned for.
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(same as a normal enter).
ProcessEnterEvent in \pythonwin\pywin\framework\interact.py
checks whether the shift or ctrl keys were used.
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AT32 filesystem. This has absolutely no ACL or
>>permission capabilities on it. Win NT, 2K, XP use NTFS by default,
>>which allows ACLS.
>
> Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Steve Walker
> middleforkgis aht gmail.com
>
If I remember correctly, GetFileSecurity can work unpredictably with file
systems that
don't support ACL's. Try using win32security.GetNamedSecurityInfo instead.
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Hi, I am new to this group, please forgive me if this is a repeat
question. I am a new Python programmer but experienced in C/Unix. I am
converting a shell script to Python which essentially loops
infinitely, each pass through the loop running commands like
set output = `cat this | grep that
Many thanks to all who responded to my question! It's nice to know, as
someone new to Python, that there are lots of well-informed people out
there willing to help with such issues.
Thanks, Mike, for your pipes suggestion, I will keep that in mind for
future projects.
Seebs, you are of course cor
), it only
adds a line-break into the source code. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
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Thanks for that info, Ned, I can now get the sys.argv[] list I need,
that's a big help! However, is there any other way to set a breakpoint
in idle that will work on Mac OS X, maybe entering a manual command
somewhere with a specified line number? Inability to set a breakpoint
is an absolute showst
>Does a poor job AFAIAC of explaining the difference between foo and bar in
foll def foo(x): x += 2
def bar(x): x.append(2)
a=10
b=[10]
foo(a)
a
>10
bar(b)
b
>[10, 2]
Or with just one function: >>> def baz(x,y):
x += y
>>> a = 10
>>> b = [10]
>>> baz(a
asing, of course, since most assignment
operationscreate aliases. But at least it's nice to know that aliasing
immutable valuesis harmless. Hence my unit on building recursive data
structures entirelyout of tuples.
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object
whose inventory included several rooms, so as the ship moved,
so did everything on board.
And there was no GUI required for it -- so no issues there.
It's been a couple decades or so, but that interpreted object-oriented
language LPC might still be out there somewhere.
tenating strings and formatting data.
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n the student would write he was unable to actually
compute that without a calculator. And yes, I deliberately
designed the questions to have such easy numbers to work with.
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 12:03 PM, Dennis Lee Bier wrote:>
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:30:34 +1000, Steve D'Aprano
>
declaimed the following:
>
>The exercise is to demonstrate pass by reference semantics. That requires
>
>demonstrating the same semantics as the Pascal swap procedure:
>
>
>
>procedure swa
ty data base
would happen only once at program startup, after which it
behaves just like an 'existing collection' with less data?
As someone else pointed out, your tests along the lines of
if how_to_insert == 'new collection':
are error prone, just from typing errors.
d_to_self(x)
# x is still 5
is 'arg' a value parameter or a reference parameter?
Can you replicate this behavior in Pascal without any if statement,
since, as you say, the semantics are wholly contained by
those of Pascal (aside from the += operator itself not
appearing in the Pascal la
s to (assuming c has been assigned).
But in C++, that statement would be completely invalid -- once you
associate a reference to a reference variable, you cannot change
the binding.This further emphasizes that the statement "int &b = a"
is not an assignment statement, which means it is rather irrelevant
to the semantics of assignment statements.
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bout what happens when we do "b = c"
in the non-Python languages and in Python.
>From the ordering of the notes in this forum, I will just assume
you did not get a chance to read it before this post I am responding to.
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randomly perturb the code instead.
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, I would expect the filter to be a lazy application
to the iterable you are filtering, so anything that removes
from your iterable is going to cause you filter so skip something.
That can also be fixed by copying the iterable first.
Or alternatively, you can go more functional and instead
create a new iterable set of data from the old, instead of
mutating what you have.
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you're joking. So for the humour-impaired: THIS POST WAS A
>JOKE. Okay? Good.)
>
>
Gotta watch out for all those Islamic extremists.
Somewhere along the line when I wasn't paying attention,
they got us all using Arabic numerals.
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7;d rather keep my course content small and simple.
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st):
File "", line 1, in
p.__slots__ = ['x','y','z']
AttributeError: 'any' object attribute '__slots__' is read-only
Oh, and here's a little thing from the Python 3.6.2 Glossary:
__slots__
A declaration inside a class that saves memory by pre-declaring space for
instance attributes and
eliminating instance dictionaries. Though popular, the
technique is somewhat tricky to get right and
is best reserved for rare cases
where there are large numbers of instances in a memory-critical application.
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e is a better way to access the elements of a list than
counting
down the subscripts.
I still see a lot of instructors and programmers who newly migrate to Python
that use counting a range() as their first choice in traversing a list.
Teaching the for loop without using range, I believe, is t
ve an exercise to do a
string
translation, using an ugly 12-way if-else construct nested within a loop where
a dictionary would very easily trim the if-else and str.translate() would
eliminate the loop.
(This is fresh in my mind because I plan to illustrate both their solution
and mine in
addition, and
the rug gets pulled out from under them.There is no visible quantity
of 1, 2, or 3 in those circles and diamonds; and probably no 1, 2, or 3
in the children's game either.
How is it any surprise that they did not figure out the children's game
as quickly?
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a language like that somewhere around this forum.
But I like it anyway
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 12:07 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:21:46 -0400, Bill
>declaimed the following:
>
>>PL-I has already been taken. That
t mind having
wo function calls in that one line of code.
If you want only one function call and you want to do even more
substitutions than just those below, there is another handy functionin the
string object that can do so very nicely.
What did you try?
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itself has one entry (the exception)
and one exit. And, unlike goto's and set_jmp()
is easiliy incorporated into other control structures
depending on where you want to go after any recovery steps.
The code that generated the exception, of course, seemingly
has more than one exit, but exceptions are just that --
exceptions. I hope you don't start using counting loops
up to 2**64 to visit a 100 element array and rely on
IndexError to exit such a loop.
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set a breakpoint at the very bottom of a function when debugging.
Roger Christman
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 12:26 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:26:07 +1100
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>To: python-list@python.org
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r way.
We don't need any annotations or attributes or whatnot if we have
the perfectly normal function documentation.
Or is that kind of habit no longer practiced in 'the real world'?
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a Python data structure,
it should also be pickleable.
The "Json.org" web site should give you a place to download the modules
you would need for each of the two languages. Hope this helps.
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ot;main"?
I guess I'm not stuck on that habit, since my programming experiences
go way back to the old Fortran days
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an Implicit" in the example cited.
Roger Christman
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On Sun, Oct 29, 2017, Setfan Ram wrote: >
=?UTF-8?B?zqPPhM6tz4bOsc69zr/PgiDOo8+Jz4bPgc6/zr3Or86/z4U=?=
writes:
>>I guess the following parts from "Zen of Python" apply to this case:
>
>
ample with "\\" in one case,
and r"\\" in the other case. These are not equal to each other,
and naturally would not give equal results from your function.
So that leads to the second possibility that you are not calling
the function in the same way.
In either case, you cannot blame the function for giving you
different results if you give it different data.
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ut the utf-8 encoding,
but although I find that as an option for a local file (with open())
I did not see that on my first glance at the two functions above.
Is there an easy way to read a remove CSV file with utf-8 encoding
without copying the whole file locally first?
Roger Christman
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now a variable
in my program's memory (all of the data),
instead of streamlike. I suppose I did read
somewhere about setting a stream option.
Roger Christman
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Forwarded Message
Just a quick question on how best to read a
ters in itertools)
And I see that simply removing 'break' from my vocabulary, this
whole 'else on a loop' issue completely dissolves.
So thank you for, even unintentionally, helping me to feel good
about living inside my ivory tower!
Roger Christman
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any of the posters
here appear commonly enough to place the spirit of a particular
post in the context of their general presentation style.
Roger Christman
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On Thu, Nov 9, 2017, Gregory Ewing wrote:But ideas are not software -- they
don't actively
*do* anything,
1].
Python allows these loopholes in with the expectation that the programmer
should know better. I think the same thing would be true with constants.
If you need this crutch to protect yourself from accidentally clobbering
constants,
then do better. If you only need it to for documentation purposes, just tweak
the documentation.
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S your V's.
I'm thinking that is the first place you should look.
You could either modify your data file (with a nice global replace/change)
or you could give a different value to one of the default parameters
to the functions you use to open the file.
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indented statements
that follow them.
Roger Christman
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 Cai Gengyang wrote:
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>Message: 38
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:54:21 -0800 (PST)
>From: Cai Gengyang
>Subject: While, If, Count Statements
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/pl
ed statements that follow them.
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 Cai Gengyang wrote:
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>Message: 38
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:54:21 -0800 (PST)
>From: Cai Gengyang
>Subject: While, If, Count Statements
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/pl
I think I also came up with 4 as "the most frequent number".
It is unclear ot me how you came up with 3.36 as the most common number,
because I tried rolling a six-sided die myself several times,
and somehow 3.36 didn't come up even once!
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017, D'Arcy Cain wrote:
>
On 12/05/2017 0
choosing implementations that require 5, 10, or 20 times as much
code as necessary. The increase in program size would have a multiplicative
effect on writing time and debugging time and would have an adverse affect
on a course grade, product delivery date, customer satisfaction, and
job security.
So learn how to find the efficient solutions now while you still have
instructors around to help you.
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t of the responses
I see did attempt to work within the perceived constraints
regarding what language tools the student was expected to use.
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#include?
>From my experience, both as instructor and student, with
introductory programming courses with half a dozen different
first languages to use for those courses, I think C++ is one
of the worst choices! (In my humble opinion, of course)
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2017, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >
Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
>> As a start, one should learn:
>>
>> 1.) how to install Python
>> (if not already installed)
>>
>> 2.) how to st
ting at all.
So if you have a program that can get by leaving unused memory
allocated, and can still terminate the program before all the memory
is claimed, your reference count system is far less efficient than
relying on a garbage collector that happens to not get activated
before your program ends.
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time
to linear time). And the process is straightforward enough that you could
even define a decorator that could be applied to any function you choose. I
don't have an example handy just because I never took the time to write one.
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lem will never arise.
So, I am very happy with this Python language decision -- it allows for the
most efficient means to modify a list in place and also very much reduce the
danger of aliasing bugs.
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From: Pytho
se as described in its PEP
just as it is, and I see no compelling reason to expand its use.
It is there to reduce code size by eliminating a duplication of code,
If the code you write using the walrus operator is longer or more
complicated than the code would be without it, you are misusing it.
R
just compelled to create tuple and lists
in all of your use-cases, even when they serve no purpose.
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inside of a test condition, if its usage makes the code less clear. I
interpret the PEP
has using the walrus to define a name for a particular value that would be both
tested
and reused, and not that it would be used to assign to a value that was not
being
tested (such as the a part of (a,b)).
Or in short, I do not find your choice of use-case really lines up with the
rationale
given for walrus operator. You are free to disagree with me, but fortunately,
we have
one of those PEP authors participating in this list regularly if you want his
opinion.
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etc.
I do grant that ultimately, the duck does come into play, since the witch
weighs the same as a duck.
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ss.
I think this is very much like me defining methods __iter__ and __next__
and voila, I've turned something into an iterator by witch -- er.. duck-typing!
Perhaps she inherited her weight from her latent duckness.
Thoughts?
Roger Christman
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 06:27 PM, python-list@pyt
squeeze the 'yield node._value' in between them.
Is there hope for a linear-time tree-traversal generator, or will
I have just have to settle for an n-log-n generator or a linear time
behavior with linear extra space?
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port iteration, but then is no better than a
dict in any way, except for maybe some rare operation like
"identify the minimal value"
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size )', number=1, globals='test')
That tells me the namespace isn't supposed to be a string
test.__dict__ is just an empty dictionary
so where do I find 'sorter', 'array', and 'size'?
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dictionary.
You would just need to get a dictionary Reader from the csv module,
import urllib.request
import io, csv
file = urllib.request.urlopen(site + filename)
data = io.TextIOWrapper(file, newline="", encoding="utf-8")
reader = csv.DictReader(data)
for row in reade
t to.
The * and ** prefixes really should be avoided as much as possible,unless you
know exactly what you are getting out of them.
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't see anything there -- and
I fear that I might have to fight some Windows settings somewhere else instead.
I think this is Windows 10.
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eryk sun responded:
On 11/12/18, Christman, Roger Graydon wrote:
>
> I looked in IDLE's own configuration menu, and didn't see anything there --
> and I fear that I might have to fight some Windows settings somewhere else
> instead. I th
half the students away in the very first class, just
trying to configure their development environment.
If that's impossible, then I guess I'll have to fire a note off to the
university tech support requesting them to play with that "Start In" option
through %AppData%, or whatever it was.
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tle tangent of mine doesn't seem to apply to your situation
at all,
and I don't there is a 'single' language element in any programming language I
can think
of that does what you ask -- so stick with the cleaner: if (__): # loop; else:
#don't loop
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e dictionary
in the first place. Is it practical to have the entire
dictionary statically defined?
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x27;: 2}
>>> any_as_dict([('a',1), ('b',2)])
{('a', 1): ('b', 2)}
>>> any_as_dict({('a',1), ('b',2)})
{('b', 2): ('a', 1)}
This seems to address your apparent definition of
"key-value pairs&
Emending my own note from moments ago:
def any_as_dict(*args, **kwargs):
if len(args) == 0:
my_dict = kwargs
elif type(args[0]) == type(dict()):
my_dict = args[0]
else:
my_dict = dict(args[0])
print(type(my_dict),my_dict)
>>> any_as_dict(a=1,b=2)
{'a': 1, 'b': 2}
>>> any_as_dict({'a':1, 'b':2}
or object.
If you still end up with a large number of independent parameters,
I would question the simplicity of your function's intent.
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e was this ".=" token
somewhere earlier in the program statement.
Besides, I could foresee a lot of programming
errors when people would start to generalize this
operation to do things like:
list .= append(item)
list .= sort()
which would most certainly be incorrect.
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the
first, sequence of the letter 'a', and only if the length of the sequence is
exactly 3.
Does such a regular expression exist? If so, any ideas as to what it could
be?
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>> I'm looking for a regular expression that matches the first, and only
>> the first, sequence of the letter 'a', and only if the length of the
>&g
27; instead of the lookbehind (and maybe
> parentheses around the 'aaa' to somehow 'match' is specially?).
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> It's definitely not very clear what exactly the intent is, no...
Sorry for the confusion. The correct pattern should reject all strings
except those in
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>> I'm looking for a regular expression that matches the first, and
>> only the first, sequence of the letter 'a', and only if the le
7;b' has a length of
>> exactly three.
>
> Ah...a little more clear.
>
> r = re.compile("[^a]*a{3}b+(a+b*)*")
> matches = [s for s in listOfStringsToTest if r.match(s)]
Wow, I like it, but it allows some strings it shouldn't. For example:
"xyz123aabba
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>>Say I have some string that begins with an arbitrary
is ensures that no "a"s come before the first 3x"a" and nothing but "b"
> and "a" follows it.
Anchoring may be the key here, but this pattern rejects
"xayz123aaabab"
which it should accept, since the 'a' between the '
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>> except those in which the first sequence of the letter 'a' that is
>
files so that the code
doesn't have to change to add or change patterns. Before throwing up my
hands and re-architecting, I wanted to see if regexps would handle the job
(they have in every case but one).
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"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Roger L. Cauvin wrote:
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>> Good suggestion. Here are some "test cases":
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>> "xyz123aaabbab" accept
>> "xyz123aabbaab" reject
>> "
"Christos Georgiou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:41:08 GMT, rumours say that "Roger L. Cauvin"
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>>Good suggestion. Here are some "test cases&qu
"Christos Georgiou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:26:57 GMT, rumours say that "Roger L. Cauvin"
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>>"Christos Georgiou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Christos Georgiou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:01:07 +0100, rumours say that "Fredrik Lundh"
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>>Roger L. Cauvin wrote:
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>>> Good s
"Christos Georgiou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:09:18 GMT, rumours say that "Roger L. Cauvin"
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>>Thanks, but the second test case I listed con
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Roger L. Cauvin wrote:
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>> > $ python test.py
>> > gotexpected
>> > ---
>> > accept accept
>> > reject reject
>> > accept ac
"Tim Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> The below seems to pass all the tests you threw at it (taking the modified
> 2nd test into consideration)
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> One other test that occurs to me would be
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> "xyz123aaabbaaabab"
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> where you have "aaab" in there twice.
Good
Here it is-nearly four and a half years since Mike Henley posted 'File name'
is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program-and
the problem still persists. Some weeks ago I installed ActiveState 8.3.5.0
on Windows XP and many things stopped working. Like Mike, I struggled to
GUI and pyjamas existing side by side in mutual
harmony for many years.
pyjamas: Perhaps without javascript.
-roger
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