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if one wishes.
The difference would include less spoofing but also the ability to remove
and that are causing annoyance here.
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Subject: Re: Proposal: Disconnect
On 2021-05-06, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:32 AM Paul Bryan wrote:
>>
>> Given the ease of spoofing sender addresses, and its propensity for use
>> in anonymous spamming and trolling (thanks python-list-owner for
>> staying on top of that
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I got the fastest python yesterday as it was so fast that it beat the one
coming tomorrow.
The trick is adding back the legs that evolution allowed to lapse.
Without bated breath,
Regardless,
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On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/5/21 9:40 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2021-05-06, Paul Bryan wrote:
>>> What's involved in moderating c.l.p? Would there be volunteers willing
>>> to do so?
>> Nothing at all is involved, apart
other languages spun off it or
off C.
My programmed energy use for today is just about exhausted. Luckily, my Day
starts at midnight, in about half an hour 😉
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To: Mr Flibble
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/5/21 10:44 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> As someone with a long usenet background, converting the existing group
>>> to moderated would be practically impossible. It just is
; is that a human vets every post.
That's not a definition that anyone else would use, I think,
and I say that as a moderator of a Usenet group..
> That's certainly not the case for python-list@python.org. Posts gated
> from comp.lang.python to the mailing list only get passed through
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/6/21 6:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> I think you're fundamentally missing the point that the newsgroup is
>> *already gatewayed to the mailing list*. Marking the group moderated
>> will not result in any more w
ret he presumably would not have
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On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/6/21 9:12 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> Are you saying that the messages that appear occasionally from people
>> such as Ethan Furman claiming to be moderators and alleging that
>> particular people have been banned or su
On 2021-05-06, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/6/21 9:44 AM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> Sounds like nearly all moderated lists/forums then.
>
> Then perhaps you have never been on a real Moderated mailing list or
> Forum.
Ah, the "no true scotsforum" argum
s raised so far have any basis
whatsoever in reality. And it appears even the suggestion that
Mailman 3 cannot be used while a gateway is involved is untrue:
https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/nntp.html
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Skip Montanaro writes:
>>
>> Machine language is so much simpler, and you can code with just a hexpad.
>>
>
> Pshaa... All
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but if
you're not then just "input" is overly opaque
(not to mention shadowing a builtin).
This is why it's good when languages have conventions
like "types and classes start with an upper-case letter",
so that you can do "string = String()" without problems...
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On 24May2021 08:21, hw wrote:
>On 5/24/21 12:03 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
&g
On 25/05/2021 00:41, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> What would you call the argument to a function that
> returns, say, an upper-cased version of its input?
Probably 'candidate' or 'original' or 'initial' or
somesuch. Or even just 's'.
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> large strings?
Memory is cheap ;-)
> I confess I had just assumed the unicode strings were stored
> in native unicode UTF8 format.
If you do that then indexing and slicing strings becomes very slow.
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as not aware of. But generally, most
languages have been fairly well thought-out with specific ideas in mind and are
in many ways FINISHED albeit can often grow later.
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y is an attribute of a class that pretends to be a data
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program structures,
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> I am doing some writing (for an upcoming book on OOP), and I'm a little
stuck.
Oh dear, tha
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On 2021-05-30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Note: at least one person says a property *pretends* to be an attribute.
No, I said it pretends to be a *data* attribute. It is effectively
several methods in a trenchcoat pretending to be a variable.
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dir(): ['CONNECT', 'HELP', '__class__', '__doc__', '__members__',
'__module__']
Command2
type():
type of enum member:
number of members: 0
enum members:
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call Command2 member: message from help_impl()
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> On 31 May 2021, at 18:24, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
>
> On 31/05/2021 17:57, Colin McPhail via Python-list wrote:
>> Hi,
>> According to the enum module's documentation an Enum-based enumeration's
>> members can have values of any t
method. It's just that in most cases the method is implemented
> in C and it looks up a value in the object's dict.
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higher-level structures it's all just electrons doing apparently
random things and there's nothing more to be said about it.
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ke its function or retrieve the value it returns.
> (I'm assuming that by "data attribute" you mean a piece of
> data that's stored directly in the object. If you mean
> something else, we might be talking at cross purposes.)
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> On 2021-05-30, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>> You are not alone. debugging curses is one of the biggest obstacles to
>> its use.
>
> Can't you just run the debugger in a different window and attach to
> the process
On 31/05/2021 15:59, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Sun, 30 May 2021 21:20:24 +0100, Alan Gauld via Python-list
> declaimed the following:
>
>> On 30/05/2021 17:57, Irv Kalb wrote:
>>> I am doing some writing (for an upcoming book on OOP), and I'm a little
>>&
ke '22.3' via astype
or pd.to_numeric is below
Unable to parse string "22." at position 0
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On 02/06/2021 14:35, jayshankar nair via Python-list wrote:
> import tools.fab.dev_utils as dev_utilsImportError: No module named
> tools.fab.dev_utils
> Please let me know which package i have to install.
Work backwards.
Can you import tools.fab?
Can you import tools?
Once you know
On 2021-06-08, D'Arcy Cain wrote:
> Given that mailman still runs under 2.7 and that's being deprecated,
> does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement?
There is always Mailman 3...
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On 2021-06-08, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/8/2021 4:36 PM, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2021-06-08, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-08, Paul Bryan wrote:
>>>> How about Mailman 3.x on Python 3.x?
>>>
>>> According to https:
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Finally found the solution
Options.importSite = false;
which solved my issue.
I can't set Bindings and pass args to script. The only example I found is for
JavaScript. I think maybe it doesn't work for jython.
Thanks
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On 13/06/2021 04:21, dn via Python-list wrote:
> What do you think a professionally-recognisable series of skill-levels
> for programmers?
This has been done or attempted many times, with perhaps the most
complete scheme being the British Computer Society's
"Industry Standard Mod
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2]]
id(m[0]) == id(m[1]) == id(m[2])
False
These are lists. Each one is distinct. You could change one of them
and the other two would remain as they are.
ChrisA
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use less space when possible.
Now if you really still want true copies, what ways might fool a compiler?
NoDup = [(5, 2), (6-1, 6/3), (12%7, 1/1 + 1/1)]
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nd halts if the
size reached a gigabyte or perhaps charges extra because you used more of a
resource. The programmer choosing the list versus tuple alternative, would
get different behavior in such a hypothetical scenario.
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24 LOAD_CONSTÂ Â 0 (None)
26 RETURN_VALUE
>>>
(there may be mistakes in this) but this is probably too much to expect
of the compiler.
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On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 4:16 PM Rob Cliffe via Python-list
wrote:
On 18/06/2021 11:04, Chris Angelico wrote:
sys.version
'3.10.0b2+ (heads/3.10:33a7a24288, Jun 9 2021, 20:47:39) [GCC 8.3.0]'
def chk(x):
... if not(0 < x
l import shellcon, shell
ImportError: DLL load failed while importing shell: %1 is not a valid Win32
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in range(1,
last)]))
Now why you want this is beyond me!
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On 23/06/21 3:03 am, Kais Ayadi wrote:
> for n in range(1, 7):
>
the string and uncompressed it, you might have code like:
print(unzip("n*n&&S!~se"))
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O
pare the output will be fooled.
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If I'm not mistaken, the original output is O(n^2) in quantity of chars, and as
output time is propo
primes that hard way.
Final note is there is not much in the discussion that is really about
Python as much of the argument remains similar in many programming
languages.
So, I am done and will ignore this thread.
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in
> import pyttsx3
> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pyttsx3'
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an be checked then in Python:
python
>>> import sys
>>> sys.path
['', '/home/someuser/.local/lib/python', '/usr/lib64/python39.zip',
'/usr/lib64/python3.9', '/usr/lib64/python3.9/lib-dynload',
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the way they probably did not write proper code in the first
place that loads the module(s) they need?
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it, diff, log, status, etc.
It's not completely unlike what you're describing above, which is
already supported automatically by argparse.
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On 2021-08-03, Roel Schroeven wrote:
> Jon Ribbens via Python-list schreef op 3/08/2021 om 17:48:
>> On 2021-08-03, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> > On 8/2/21 1:43 PM, Sven R. Kunze wrote:
>> >> maybe, I am missing something here but is it possible to specify a
>>
supported by different regular expression systems and also Python
extensions. '|' is documented here:
https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html#index-13
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gt; > *mywriter = csv.DictWriter('results.csv', fieldnames=headers_new)*
> [snip]
>
> The problem has nothing to do with Flask.
>
> 'csv.reader' and 'csv.DictWriter' expect a file object, but you're
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ider that surprising, but maybe I should? (Honest question, I really
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On 2021-08-11 18:10, Wolfram Hinderer via Python-list wrote:
Am 11.08.2021 um 05:22 schrieb Terry Reedy:
Python is a little looser about whitespace than one might expect
from reading 'normal' code when the result is unambiguous in that it
cannot r
for us philosophers but not
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> On 17/08/2021 22:47, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote:
> ...
>> That's only true if you're not using HTTPS - and you should *never*
>> not be using HTTPS, and that goes double if forms are being filled
>> in and d
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On 2021-08-23, Loris Bennett wrote:
> If instead of
>
> mail.set_content(body)
>
> I do
>
> mail.set_content(body, cte="quoted-printable")
Try print(mail.get_content()) rather than print(mail.as_string())
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cale DNS hack is probably capable of getting a very
> legit-looking SSL cert for the name as well.
There are so many trusted CAs these days that the chances of them all
being secure approaches zero - they are not all equal yet they are all
equally trusted. Which is why a change of CA on a site you have visited
before is potentially suspicious.
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> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 12:16 AM Jon Ribbens via Python-list
> wrote:
>> There are so many trusted CAs these days that the chances of them all
>> being secure approaches zero - they are not all equal yet they are all
>> equally truste
On 2021-08-25, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 12:48 AM Jon Ribbens via Python-list
> wrote:
>> Another attempt at combatting this problem is DNS CAA records,
>> which are a way of politely asking all CAs in the world except the
>> ones you choose "ple
he permitted CAs - since, as you point
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And the code can be a tad shorter, LOL!
But obviously then you have more overhead than an iterative solution or one
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> On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:53, jak wrote:
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> Il 31/08/2021 03:05, Python ha scritto:
>> Hari wrote:
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