"
A cooperation between Sun Microsystems and IBM&Co. in conjunction with
liberal & high evolutive communities would result in an nearly
unbeatable programming platform.
My evaluation has shown: this is a non achievable goal, as stubborness
and egoism rules - instead of reason and cooperation.
Thus
Jeremy Bowers wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:26:08 +0200, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
My question is essentially:
How many of those constructs are already supported by python (and
the surrounding open-source-projects):
http://lazaridis.com/case/stack/index.html
This post is hard to follow, but I&#
Terry Reedy wrote:
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you ask too much that other people do your searching for you, answers
will dry up.
I don't ask people to search for me.
I ask people for their specific knowledge about spe
Terry Reedy wrote:
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
Then 'print html_doc_instance' can print the html doc corresponding to
the object model.
I understand this procedure.
I would like to use a standard way, which uses the standard metadata
[implici
Stephen Kellett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ilias Lazaridis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Can one please point me to a downloadable version of the 2 reference
manuals (did not found them)?
Well, there is an obvious website address to visit and you can see the
word "
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
I want to add metadata to everything within my design (functions, data,
classes, ...), if possible with a standard way.
[...]
I want to generate things (code, txt, html etc.) out of my object-model,
whilst using
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
My question is essentially:
How many of those constructs are already supported by python (and the
surrounding open-source-projects):
http://lazaridis.com/case/stack/index.html
[...]
The Signal/Noise ratio of this thread was very disapointing to me.
I've exp
I'm a newcomer to python:
[EVALUATION] - E01: The Java Failure - May Python Helps?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/75f0c5c35374f553
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I've download (as suggested) the python 2.4 installer for windows.
Now I have problems to compile python extension that some packages
depen
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
a) Why does the Python Foundation not provide additionally a binary
version, compiled with MinGW or another open-source compiler?
I use a binary version of Python compiled with an open-source
compiler on Windows that was provided by someone else.
Can
[please check your news-client. For some reason, the tag "[EVALUATION]"
was removed]
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You answer essentially something like "It's not necessary" cause "with a
little hacking it works".
I've found lots of documents, which describe how to "hack around" to
make it work.
I don't want to do "hack
Miki Tebeka wrote:
Hello Ilias,
d) Is it really neccessary that I dive into such adventures, to be able
to do the most natural thing like: "developing python extensions with
MinGW"?
Writing a setup.py and running
python setup.py build_ext --compiler=mingw32
works for me *without* any more wo
Fuzzyman wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[snip..]
b) Why does the Python Foundation not ensure, that the python
source-code is directly compilable with MinGW?
Why should they? It already runs on Windows with a freely available
compiler.
Obvious: Courtesy [against the userbase needs]
Obvious
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
I want to develope large scale applications, and for this I need an
stable official version of the python language, either binary or
produced directly out of official sources, completely with an
open-source tool-chain.
Where does that requirement
David Fraser wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
Just to add to all the other answers:
Don't just complain, submit patches and work at keeping them maintained.
If this is done for a while it may be more of an argument for having
them included
I do not "just complain".
I've
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
"The Python Foundation could create an official sub-project to create
an automated build target based on the MinGW toolchain. I am sure that
many community members would be more than happy to contribute."
An "official sub-project"
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Can you please point me (and the readers) to this resource?
http://www.cygwin.com/
thank you.
as far as I know, the created executables are bounded to the GPL.
Thus this is not intresting to me.
Why don't you solve this pr
Robert Kern wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
David Fraser wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
I do not "just complain".
I've spend already hours with writing down the questionaire [which you
have successfully ignored].
Why don't you spend hours writing code and submitting worki
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[REQUOTE]
Oh, I can play that game too:
[REQUOTE]
Identify what needs to be done and create a patch, and it will be
accepted if it is a good patch.
"
c) Why are the following efforts not _directly_ included in the python
source code base?
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote
The idea that the Python Foundation cares about user needs would affect that.
please let the users speak for themselves.
I have.
I've review several threads,publications, actions etc., that show that
the users have this need.
please review the in
Hello,
there is a thread in comp.lang.python, and a poster suggested that I ask
you directly.
possibly you can answer the question c), at least from your side.
Did you ever try to submit the patches to the main-source-code base of
python?
Thank you for your pyMinGW work and your time.
-
Ilias
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Where does that requirement come from? If you want to create large
scale apps, the price for a msvc++ compiler shouldn't matter. And:
Windows is a non-free platform at first. If you have to or want to
develop on top of it, be prepared to pay. Its as simple as that. If
you wa
Brian Beck wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
this answer do not fit in most questions.
please review them again.
Actually, it does. Please review them again.
My questions:
a) Why does the Python Foundation not provide additionally a binary
version, compiled with MinGW or another open-source compiler
Robert Kern wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Robert Kern wrote:
[snip]
The answer to most of your questions is, "Because no one has yet
volunteered their time and effort to get the job done."
this answer do not fit in most questions.
please review them again.
Against my better judgement,
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2005-02-14, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote
The idea that the Python Foundation cares about user needs would affect that.
please let the users speak for themselves.
I have.
I've review several threads,p
Stephen Kellett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ilias Lazaridis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I like to synchronize any efforts with the existing ones.
I assume the reason for doing that would be to avoid duplicating effort?
[...] - (off-topic suggestions processing model)
Your
Duncan Booth wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
There is a OS-tool-chain supported on windows, cygwin.
this depends on cygwin.dll, which is GPL licensed
[or am I wrong?]
It is GPL licensed with an amendment which prevents the GPL spreading to
other open source software with which it is linked.
&qu
[Sorry, I'm to tired to read more posts today. I'll try to answer to
each message adressed to me tomorrow. Thank you for your time.]
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I find this thread facinating.
I don't know wich of the posters in this thread belong to the python team.
Nearly no one community member gives simply some answers
Tim Peters wrote:
[Ilias Lazaridis]
...
Let's see:
The process would be:
a) A Python Foundation official states: "of course we accept diversity
and of course we are intrested that our source-code-base compiles
directly with MinGW (and other compilers)".
Well, I'm a Director of
Mike Meyer wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
If it is a programming language, the requirement "using an open-source
toolchain" is a rational and valid one.
It is. However, mingW has nothing to do with "using an open-sourcer
toolchain".
Python runs in
Duncan Booth wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
"In accordance with section 10 of the GPL, Red Hat, Inc. permits
programs whose sources are distributed under a license that complies
with the Open Source definition to be linked with libcygwin.a without
libcygwin.a itself causing the resulting pr
Robert Kern wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Duncan Booth wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
There is a OS-tool-chain supported on windows, cygwin.
this depends on cygwin.dll, which is GPL licensed
[or am I wrong?]
It is GPL licensed with an amendment which prevents the GPL
spreading
[...]
If I understand
Robert Kern wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
Questions and suggestions are don't count for much in this
community. Code and well-written patches do.
Stop wasting time on c.l.py and get to work! If you can't do
that, then this is not the community you are looking for.
Please speak fo
Delaney, Timothy C (Timothy) wrote:
Stephen Kellett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ilias Lazaridis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
And yet there is not one company that has someone devoted full-time
to developing Python. Not even Guido.
Who's "Guido"?
LOL Falling
Stephen Kellett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Horsley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Stephen Kellett wrote:
Who's "Guido"?
LOL Falling off my chair!!
I think the expression you are looking for is ROFL!
:-) Yes, but with that I could've been standing up before ending up on
the fl
Simon Brunning wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:23:08 +0200, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(snip)
But if those answers above were of official nature, I must seriously
rethink if I can rely on _any_ system which is based on python, as the
foundation and the community do not care
Stephen Kellett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ilias Lazaridis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
the community do not care about essential needs and requirements.
Wrong. They do. They just don't care about *your* essential needs and
requirements which *you* want *others* to
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
One of the most funny things within open-source is that switching:
first:
"we have powerfull solutions which beat this and that"
then:
"hey, this is just volunteer work"
I don't see the contradiction here. It beats a great deal of commercial
solutions in a lot of ways. But n
Stephen Kellett wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ilias Lazaridis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
The answer to most of your questions is, "Because no one has yet
volunteered their time and effort to get the job done."
this answer do not fit in most questions.
please re
bruno modulix wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
there are other reasons behind the decision to not support the MinGW
open-source-complier directly out of the main source-code base.
Yes, of course. The reason is they are lying about their commitment to
open source. They are currently trying to port
Mike Meyer wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MinGW compatibility is not my need.
Then why do you waste so much effort whining about it not being given
to you?
It is an community need.
Based on the evidence at hand, this is a false statement.
MinGW compatibility is not
Adam DePrince wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 13:29, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Mike Meyer wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
MinGW compatibility is not [only] my need.
It is an community need [at least partially]
And herein lies the beauty of the noble meritocratic free so
bruno modulix wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
bruno modulix wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
there are other reasons behind the decision to not support the MinGW
open-source-complier directly out of the main source-code base.
Yes, of course. The reason is they are lying about their commitment
to
Joe Francia wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
MinGW compatibility is not [only] my need.
It is an community need [at least partially]
You keep using that word "community". I do not think it means what you
think it means.
The community is everyone around python (including me at this m
Adam DePrince wrote:
[...]
If the community needs it, a member of said community has both complete
unfettered freedom and a supportive environment to make it.
Which is this "supportive environment"?
You're on it. You drive a car? You have to treat it right to get what
you want, right? Same he
Mike Meyer wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mike Meyer wrote:
It is an community need.
Based on the evidence at hand, this is a false statement.
It is an community need [at least partially]
Repeating a falsehood will not make it true.
Can you offer anything besides yo
Mike Meyer wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joe Francia wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
MinGW compatibility is not [only] my need.
It is an community need [at least partially]
You keep using that word "community". I do not think it means what
you think it mean
Tim Peters wrote:
[...] - (thorough comments)
Thank you very much for your thoroug comments.
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I'm 'closing' this thread now [means that I do possibly not respond
anymore to messages].
Thank you for your time and effort.
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Joe Francia wrote:
[...]
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f2ae9cdbe16676d1
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Stephen Kellett wrote:
[...]
closing thread
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f2ae9cdbe16676d1
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Mike Meyer wrote:
[...]
closing thread
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f2ae9cdbe16676d1
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Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
[...]
closing thread
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f2ae9cdbe16676d1
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Peter Maas wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis schrieb:
I'm a newcomer to python:
Sorry, I'm breaking my promise to post only once to this thread.
I'm breaking my 'promise' to close this thread.
But I've found the ultimate recipe to resolve all issues of this and
other simi
e to the official
source-code-base (possibly with just one #define).
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Please contact me vial email if you are intrested.
Regards, Khalid
Best Regards,
ILIAS LAZARIDIS
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After some comments, [which did not show to me an intrested of making
the above happen (which is fully in the developers
otify conversation partners instead of
letting them wait for an answer].
"""
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
closing thread
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f2ae9cdbe16676d1
"""
Anyway, I will add some comments:
[...]
The first step is to make a pyMinGW p
A.B., Khalid wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
The first step is to make a pyMinGW project.
You are mistaken. The first steps are the following:
[...] - (nonrelevant comments)
3) Realizing that there _is_ already a project called pyMinGW! That it
does not fit your requirements-- whatever these maybe
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
My questions:
It appears that nobody has answered the questions, yet.
a) Why does the Python Foundation not provide additionally a binary
version, compiled with MinGW or another open-source compiler?
We don't have the resources to do that.
Sho
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Should a professional developer take python serious?
[...] - (ungentle babbling after disrupting coherence of writings)
"
Should a professional developer take python serious?
I mean, if the team does not manage at least the foundation of a
multi-target automated-build-proce
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Should a professional developer take python serious?
[...] - (ungentle babbling after disrupting coherence of writings)
And that from you *lol*
Of course.
I respect the "coherence of writings" of my conversatio
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
Thank you for the links.
They are irrelevant for me.
As usual.
sorry.
Just out of curiousity: How many python extensions are you planning to
write?
I estimate 10 to 100, depending on abstractional capabilities of the
extension system.
And how many lines of pure python code
A.B., Khalid wrote:
[...] - (comments)
I've just overflown your comments for a few seconds.
And I got my confirmations.
Thank you for your time.
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Should a professional developer take python serious?
yes.
Should I take answers serious?
Answer from people which do not respect coherence of writings?
"
Should a professional developer take python serious?
I mean, if the team does not manage at
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Should a professional developer take python serious?
Yes.
Should I take answers serious?
Answer from people which do not respect coherence of writings?
"
Should a professional developer take python serious?
I mean, if the team does not manage at
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Should I take answers serious?
If not, why are you asking questions in the first place?
simply read the next question, which limits the scope of the first one.
Answer from people which do not respect coherence of writings?
Coherence of writings?
An
Jan Dries wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...] - (things which justify inability of coherence-detection)
If you would have written:
"""
Should I take answers serious? Answer from people which do not respect
coherence of writings?
"""
it would have been much more coh
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Should I take answers serious?
[...]
Answer from people which do not respect coherence of writings?
[...]
I still detect the coherence.
As most people in this group will detect the coherence.
I don't. The second fragment is not even correct En
Summarized Suggestions for the Python Team, PSF, Community):
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An automated-build-process-system should allow community-members to add
their targets (e.g. MinGW) into an special "incubation section", which
does not in any way affect the "main section" (which contains the
official production
Nick Vargish wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Now it's really time to close this thread.
I suspect this will fall of deaf ears, but I have to mention that you
do not get to "close threads" on Usenet.
this is obvious.
You can excuse yourself from this one
George Sakkis wrote:
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nick Vargish wrote:
You can excuse yourself from this one and stop replying to comments,
but you don't get to unilaterally declare a discussion over.
[...]
The discussion is
Markus Wankus wrote:
George Sakkis wrote:
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
The Essence is this one, as stated before:
[huge copy paste of previous post]
The Essence is irrelevant.
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All your thread are belong to us.
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For great justice!
;o)
[E
Grant Edwards wrote:
[...]
Um, you realize that nobody in this thread takes you the least
bit seriously and people are just poking you with a stick to
watch you jump?
jump:
[EVALUATION] - E02 - Support for MinGW Open Source Compiler
Essence:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/
Stephen Kellett wrote:
[...]
Who's Guido?
Guido is the one, who should care by time about the status of the
python-community.
-
I've send an addition CC of this message to the python-foundation, which
will hopefully take some steps to improve the build-system.
[EVALUATION] - E02 - Support for
[EVALUATION] - E02 - Support for MinGW Open Source Compiler
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f5cd74aa26617f17
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In comparison to the E02 thread, now a more practical one.
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Here is a simple evaluation template (first part) which can be applied
to the Python language:
http:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[EVALUATION] - E02 - Support for MinGW Open Source Compiler
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f5cd74aa26617f17
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In comparison to the E02 thread, now a more practical one.
-
Here is a simple evaluation template (first part) which can be applied
to the
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[EVALUATION] - E02 - Support for MinGW Open Source Compiler
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f5cd74aa26617f17
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In comparison to the E02 thread, now a more practical one.
-
Here is a simple evaluation template (first part) which can be applied
to the
Greg Stein wrote:
> Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our
> software. While we've released some stuff
> (code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to
http://code.google.com/projects.html
> do. Getting engineers' 20% time to do that has been di
Gary Herron wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
>> Greg Stein wrote:
[...]
>>> provided a LOT of support to a large number of open source
>>> organizations.
>>
>> I hope that you invest some time to _organize_ the Open Source Projects.
>>
>>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And I have around one year to wait for Ruby to get rid of the nasty
> syntax copied from Perl and make it look as beautiful as Python
> Then I'll consider switching. ;)
>
> Ummm, I'm sorry, did you say clean reflective meta-model???
yes.
> So this:
>
> caller[0]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
[...]
>> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/python.html
[...]
> Hi there, I wonder what comments you would have about XOTCL, or other
> OO extensions for tcl, like snit, and dozens more. I looked at the
> various scripting languag
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Gary Herron wrote:
>
>
>>So how about it... What's your complaint, what's your solution, and why
>>should we listen?
>
> Nobody will ever know.
simply review this explanations:
http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html
some people have already understood this in the past.
Thomas Wouters wrote:
[...]
thank you for your comments.
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Greg Stein wrote:
> Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his
> style.
>
> This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a
> *very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to
> working on Python. (much more than his previous "one
Python Leadership was a weakness [1] and becomes now a threat for
python, thanks to Mr. van Rossums employment at Google.
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I've wrote the Leadership list prioritized (Google rules, Mr. van Rossum
follows, PSF watches and accepts).
The core developer of an open-source-project is 'captured' by
Larry Bates wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
>>whitespace rules?
Of course.
I estimate it will take around 1 to 2 years from now, until this
whitespace-concept will become optionally.
Backwards-compatibility will be kept, thus those wh
Robert Hicks wrote:
> I disagree...I don't think the whitespace rule will ever be
> "optional". Why would it be so? If someone doesn't like it...choose
> another language. It is that simple really.
> Robert
It's not that simple.
But let's simply await.
We will know in 2 years.
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TAG.python.e
Michael wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
>>[ panic, fear, worry ]
>
> What's wrong with just saying "Congratulations!" ?
nothing.
But enouth people do this.
I am focusing on weaknesses & threats:
http://lazaridis.com/efficiency/graph/analysis.html
>
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
> So I guess you volunteer http://www.python.org/psf/volunteer.html ?
I volunteer and contribute already (with a general validity and python
specific analysis)
A mediator should communicate the findings and suggestion (after
verif
Harald Armin Massa wrote:
[...] - (comments)
Thank you for your comments.
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Robert Hicks wrote:
> Guido has never been, is not, and will not in the future be, a threat
> to Python. End of story.
>
> Unless of course aliens come into play. You never know.
>
> Robert
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Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>> Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
>>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>>>
>>> So I guess you volunteer http://www.python.org/psf/volunteer.html ?
>>
>> I volunteer and contribute already (with a general validity an
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
>
>>> The only thing that holds "you" theoretically back is "acknowledged
>>> authority by the participating group _and_ yourself" and of course
>>> the resource for "res
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
> I'm suspecting that we have different definitions (or at least the
> implications of that) of used terms.
> I think it's important to first define these definition in a form
> acceptable to both of us.
>
&g
Anton Vredegoor wrote:
> Robert Kern wrote:
>
>
>>I have a friend who works at Google. He has no backstabbing history at all.
>>Stop
>>insulting my friends.
>
> Your friends work for people who would never hire me. My resume sucks,
> but I'm not a bad person or a mediocre programmer. They sold
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>> Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
>>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm suspecting that we have different definitions (or at least the
>>> implications of that) of used terms.
>>> I thin
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
[...] - (complex elaborations)
> So the sum it up my unanswered question to you so far are:
> - What is your definition of "Efficiency"
http://lazaridis.com/efficiency/definitions.html
(as stated on the website, any feedback is welcome. But please not
within this thread
Alex Martelli wrote:
> Anton Vredegoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>
>>Google's not a nice company (yeah, I know I'm posting from a google
>>account). If you look at their job requirements it's clear they will
>>only hire people with long backstabbing histories.
>
> Such as...? Guido van
Alex Martelli wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>
note: Anton Vredegoor wrote:
>>>>only hire people with long backstabbing histories.
>>>
>>>Such as...? Guido van Rossum? Greg Stein? Vint Cerf? Ben Goodger?
>...
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I need to write a web app, that will support millions of user accounts,
> template-based user pages and files upload. The client is going to be
> written in Flash. I wondered if I coudl get your opinions - what do you
> think is the best language to use
Alex Martelli wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>
>>>... "or equivalent" (I do believe all I named have at least a Bachelor
>>>degree, but with the undisputable results they've shown afterwards, I
>>&g
Alex Martelli wrote:
> Anton Vredegoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>>No insider information is necessary, the job requirements make it
>>absolutely clear (at least to me) that Google is a company with an
>>elitist culture,
>
> Absolutely yes, in terms of who we want to work at Google: we DO
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