Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Tuesday 16 August 2005 05:48, Magnus Lycka wrote: > The fact that his excellent, more or less daily postings are so badly > needed does indicate a problem, either with the design of the toolkit, > or with the docs. I'm not sure which. I htink that there is such an overwhelming amount of stuff

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

David E. Konerding DSD staff wrote: > Actually, the real problem with the wxWidgets documentation is that it > doesn't tell you > *how* to do things. It does only a barely adequate job as an API reference, > but what it lacks is > an extensive howto. I waste too much of my time dinking around d

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Finney wrote: > Brian Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > Torsten Bronger wrote: >> >> I've been having a closer look at wxPython which is not Pythonic at >> >> all and bad documented. Probably I'll use it nevertheless. >> > Aye.

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Brian Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Torsten Bronger wrote: > >> I've been having a closer look at wxPython which is not Pythonic at > >> all and bad documented. Probably I'll use it nevertheless. > > Aye. Couldn't agree more. > > You know, whenever someone ment

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Torsten Bronger wrote: >> I've been having a closer look at wxPython which is not Pythonic at >> all and bad documented. Probably I'll use it nevertheless. > Aye. Couldn't agree more. You know, whenever someone mentions wxPython being badly documented, I have to wonder

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger wrote: > I've been having a closer look at wxPython which is not Pythonic at > all and bad documented. Probably I'll use it nevertheless. Aye. Couldn't agree more. > PyGTK and PyQt may have their own advantages and disadvantages. I like PyGTK because the calls are C-based and

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 06 Aug 2005 17:27:33 -0700, Paul Rubin > declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: > >> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Is there a free language you consider successful? I can't think of any >> > that are

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there a free language you consider successful? I can't think of any > that are a lot more (i.e. - an order of magnitude) successful than > Python that aren't derived from C. SQL > Have you noticed that languages with really cool features aren't very > p

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:59:28 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a free language you consider successful? I can't think of any > that are a lot more (i.e. - an order of magnitude) successful than > Python that aren't derived from C. How about Postscript? (I believe that Posts

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [...] > > I notice that the Wikipedia doesn't have a definition for "special > purpose language", instead preferring the phrase "Domain Specific > Langauge". That matches the definition that agree

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten B

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] You didn't answer the question about how you

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 01:04 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Right. Let's go back to the original question: What's the app I use on > > Unix that acts like py2exe on Windows and py2app on Unix? > > Here's where I ask *you* to stop being

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 01:04 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > Right. Let's go back to the original question: What's the app I use on > Unix that acts like py2exe on Windows and py2app on Unix? > > Any archiving system can be coerced into collecting all the parts > together. None of them do it automatica

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:53:28 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed > the following in comp.lang.python: > >> No, it's not a discussion about estimates. The average household >> in a G8 country has more computers that don't run W

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul McNett wrote: > Mike Meyer wrote: > >>Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think you'll find that wxPython installs perfectly on Tiger using the package provided. Indeed, the only really painful platform to install wxPython on is Linux, where you pretty much need to build f

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer wrote: > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>>I think you'll find that wxPython installs perfectly on Tiger using >>>the package provided. Indeed, the only really painful platform to >>>install wxPython on is Linux, where you pretty much need to build from >>>source if you want t

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> You didn't answer the question about how you define agile >>> project. Please do so

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, it's not a discussion about estimates. The average household in > a G8 country has more computers that don't run Windows - and in fact > don't have GUIs at all - than otherwise. This is a fact of life. Most of those computers aren't programmable in Pyth

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think you'll find that wxPython installs perfectly on Tiger using >> the package provided. Indeed, the only really painful platform to >> install wxPython on is Linux, where you pretty much need to build from >> source if you want the latest and greatest.

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 09:47 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 20:17 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> >> Um - you're not answering the question I asked. I asked "What app do I >> >> use to bundle my app

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Because such projects attract the greatest number of developers, >>> many of them being amongst the most diligent developers, too. I >>> expect this

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 09:47 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 20:17 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > >> Um - you're not answering the question I asked. I asked "What app do I > >> use to bundle my applications for Unix, ala py2exe (or what

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 20:17 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > >> Um - you're not answering the question I asked. I asked "What app do I >> use to bundle my applications for Unix, ala py2exe (or whatever it is) >> for Windows?" You're telling me how to install wxP

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [...] >> >> Because such projects attract the greatest number of developers, >> many of them being amongst the most diligent developers, too. I >> expect this to have a positive influence of the

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 20:17 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > Um - you're not answering the question I asked. I asked "What app do I > use to bundle my applications for Unix, ala py2exe (or whatever it is) > for Windows?" You're telling me how to install wxPython on those > platforms. > I know how to ins

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul McNett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>project I've found, but still doable. >> Well, I've got a long history of installing things from source - >> going >> back to v6. On OS X, I like the darwin ports stuff, so I tried that: >> % sudo port install wxpython >> It blew up trying to compile wxpyt

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> [...] >>> I'm interested in a language with a big community. This is my >>> definition of success. [...] >>> >>> GUI applications seem to be the mo

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: > On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:42:53 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: >>> In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher >>> languages since if it was coded all the way down in python it would >>

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >>> In fact this sounds more like a joke I've heard a while ago: standards, >>> if you don't like the ones out there, create your own. >> Works for me. > What works for you? You believe that chaos is better than having standards? > I bel

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Regardless, when you say "Unix", what do you mean? You may as well say >> > "OS" as this term has little meaning. Linux (which flavor)? BSD? SCO? >> > HPUX? OS/X? Minix? Whichever way, I suspect that a bit of distutils >> > hacking would solve yo

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:45 +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote: > >> Yes, this is what I meant with "legacy code". C and C++ are >> actually special-purpose. They are good for controlling a >> computer but not for implementing an idea. Their curre

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:45 +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote: > Yes, this is what I meant with "legacy code". C and C++ are > actually special-purpose. They are good for controlling a computer > but not for implementing an idea. Their current vitality on almost > all software areas arise from the f

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:42:53 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: >> In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher >> languages since if it was coded all the way down in python it would >> be too slow. > >Not necessarily. My window

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [...] >> >> I'm interested in a language with a big community. This is my >> definition of success. [...] >> >> GUI applications seem to be the most attractive application type. >> This is not o

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer wrote: > Paul McNett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>On Windows and Mac, you download the package and run through the wizard. > > Which package? I'm looking at the sourceforge download site, and don't > see any packages for Python 2.4 on OS X 10.4. In fact, I don't see any > packages f

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul McNett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Windows and Mac, you download the package and run through the wizard. Which package? I'm looking at the sourceforge download site, and don't see any packages for Python 2.4 on OS X 10.4. In fact, I don't see any packages for 10.4 at all. IIRC, they did

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: > In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher > languages since if it was coded all the way down in python it would > be too slow. Not necessarily. My window manger is Python all the way down - it uses the Python Xlib implementation - and

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer wrote: > Exactly what problem are you trying to solve? If it's the one about > not having a standard GUI, I don't think it's a problem. Me neither. You pointed out that having a standard distribution made by some company would solve the non-standard GUI problem. I believe we share th

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 00:18 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > Or maybe you could switch to Jython, and just use swing? Man, c.l.py is getting *mean* ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.develix.com :: Web applications and hosting :: Linux, PostgreSQL and Python specialists :: -- http://mail.python.

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 23:56 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > I think you have me confused with someone else. I was responding to > someone who was claiming that the lack of a standard enterprise > strength GUI toolkit was a serious problem for Python - I disagree. I > won't recap the thread, but other l

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 23:49 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 14:58 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > >> And what do I use to bundle my application for Unix? Most of the > >> things I build get installed on Unix servers. > > You install GUI app

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> [...] >>> >>> None of us has talked about changing syntax. However, the >>> standard library is part of the language unless you're really >>> very p

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > >> We already have multiple distributions of Python: CPython, IronPython, >> and Jython (and there's at least one more). We even have multiple >> distributions of CPython, what with Active State doing their own and >> the MacPython dist

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 14:58 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> And what do I use to bundle my application for Unix? Most of the >> things I build get installed on Unix servers. > You install GUI apps on Unix *servers*? Yup. Thanks to the wonders of X, I can ru

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 17:54 -0400, Mark Roseman wrote: > > I'll point out that this has been done (in fact, many times). For > example: > http://tkhtml.hwaci.com > > (Integrating Gecko in has also been done, as a side note). Interesting. Your later point about hard to find is certainly

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul Rubin wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Still, that leaves Linux and Mac out in the cold. But I'll admit you > > met my challenge. Most likely you can actually do most of the things > > with Tk you can with Wx, it's simply a matter of how much e

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 14:16 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It was quite clear that by saying "most people" he was not referring to > > the set of "most Python users", but rather the set of "most people who > > have tried wxPython". > > That wasn't clear to m

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 14:13 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Still, that leaves Linux and Mac out in the cold. But I'll admit you > > met my challenge. Most likely you can actually do most of the things > > with Tk you can with Wx, it's simply a matter of how

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It was quite clear that by saying "most people" he was not referring to > the set of "most Python users", but rather the set of "most people who > have tried wxPython". That wasn't clear to me. If that's what he meant, he should have said so. -- http://m

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Still, that leaves Linux and Mac out in the cold. But I'll admit you > met my challenge. Most likely you can actually do most of the things > with Tk you can with Wx, it's simply a matter of how much effort is > going to be (for instance, it's certainly q

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Kay Schluehr wrote: > Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: > >> > In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher >> > languages since if it was coded all the way down in python it would >> > be too slow. >> >> Oh, I could imagine that a MFC-like wrapper around win32gui, or another >> one ar

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 13:38 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We were discussing your 'enormous pain' installing wxPython. I find it > > interesting that you selectively quoted part of one line of my post, > > Yes, the one line I quoted was the one that said m

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On 01 Aug 2005 13:38:21 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We were discussing your 'enormous pain' installing wxPython. I find it > > interesting that you selectively quoted part of one line of my post, > > Yes, the one line I

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 15:26 -0400, Mark Roseman wrote: > > How can I embed a browser in Tk (I mean a real browser, like Mozilla, > > Safari, or even Exploder)? At all? On any platform? This has always > > been the tradeoff for Tk. > > Try this as one example: > http://wiki.tcl.tk/4094

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We were discussing your 'enormous pain' installing wxPython. I find it > interesting that you selectively quoted part of one line of my post, Yes, the one line I quoted was the one that said most people have wxPython installed, which is a preposterous cla

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On 01 Aug 2005 12:58:57 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > Geez, can you whine some more? Most people are running wxPython just > > fine, > > Most people? What percentage of actual Python users do you think have > wxPython installed? If you're really claiming it's ove

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Monday 01 August 2005 15:21, Mark Roseman wrote: > FWIW, some people may find this page interesting, which gives you an > idea what "standard" Tk looks like on OS X, and then with adopting the > "tile" extension to Tk and a few other tweaks, which is on its way to > becoming a standard part of

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Geez, can you whine some more? Most people are running wxPython just > fine, Most people? What percentage of actual Python users do you think have wxPython installed? If you're really claiming it's over 50%, you're out of your mind. -- http://mail.pyth

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

> How can I embed a browser in Tk (I mean a real browser, like Mozilla, > Safari, or even Exploder)? At all? On any platform? This has always > been the tradeoff for Tk. Try this as one example: http://wiki.tcl.tk/4094 > Tk is great for learning, easy to write small, basic interfaces,

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 31 July 2005 12:03, Paul Rubin wrote: >> > How on earth did you decide that, since tkinter actually runs out of > > the box when you install Python on most platforms, and wxPython doesn't? > > Because Tkinter looked like crap on OS X. Sorry, but it

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: > > In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher > > languages since if it was coded all the way down in python it would > > be too slow. > > Oh, I could imagine that a MFC-like wrapper around win32gui, or another > one around Xlib wouldn't be slower t

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Devan L wrote: > If you're creating a new instance of your dApp(I assume its a class) > with no arguments, then effectively your just creating a default > program which is already defined in the dabo module. If you could write > it in a few, short lines of code by defining a new class, then you > m

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Ed Leafe wrote: > On Sunday 31 July 2005 22:39, Paul Rubin wrote: > > > > import dabo > > > app = dabo.dApp() > > > dApp.start() > > > > > > Sorry, I couldn't do it in 5. ;-) Oh, and that includes a full menu, > > > too. > > > > I get an ImportError exception when I try that. Any suggestions? N

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Monday 01 August 2005 10:35, Terry Reedy wrote: > This sort of intentional obtuseness grates on me too.  Just to let you > know, this discussion has convinced me to try Dabo, which I knew nothing > about before.  So your participation has not been useless.  In fact, I > think I will start with

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

This sort of intentional obtuseness grates on me too. Just to let you know, this discussion has convinced me to try Dabo, which I knew nothing about before. So your participation has not been useless. In fact, I think I will start with your two-liner below so I can see what I get by default

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On 31 Jul 2005 09:03:41 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > How on earth did you decide that, since tkinter actually runs out of > the box when you install Python on most platforms, and wxPython doesn't? > I can't even think about trying out Dabo unless I'm willing to go th

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul Rubin wrote: > I think my approach is in some sense completely typical: I don't want > to install ANYTHING, EVER. I've described this before. I want to buy > a new computer and have all the software I'll ever need already on the > hard drive, and use it from that day forward. By the time th

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger wrote: > Hallöchen! > > Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 7/30/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I've been having a closer look at wxPython which is not Pythonic > >> at all and bad documented. Probably I'll use it nevertheless. > >> PyGTK and

Re: The state of OO wrappers on top of wxPython (was Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python)

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 14:20 +0200, Marek Kubica wrote: > If you already tried GIMP on Windows, better try Inkscape on Windows.. that > piece of GTK software is really good. I don't do any actual work under Windows any more. My Windows VMware session is purely for testing Windows apps and website

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On 31 Jul 2005 16:38:45 -0700 Paul Rubin wrote: > I can put up a Tk gui in about 5 lines of code from a stock Python > distro without having to install anything additional. How do I do > that with wxPython? It is very easy under Debian Sarge to do it. Well after installing python-tk which needs

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hello! On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:46:55 +0200 Torsten Bronger wrote: > Be that as it may, some Google postings suggest that it works at > least with wxPython. Yes, it does. I hadn't done this a long time, but it is possible. In fact, afaik there are less problems with py2exe and wxPython than with Py

Re: The state of OO wrappers on top of wxPython (was Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python)

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:13:14 -0700 Cliff Wells wrote: > But how stable is GTK on systems such as Windows and OS/X? That has > been what has kept me from using it. Most GTK apps I've used on Windows > (including the venerable GIMP) are nowhere near as stable as their Linux > counterparts (althoug

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sunday 31 July 2005 22:39, Paul Rubin wrote: > > import dabo > > app = dabo.dApp() > > dApp.start() > > > >  Sorry, I couldn't do it in 5.  ;-) Oh, and that includes a full menu, > > too. > > I get an ImportError exception when I try that.  Any suggestions?  Note > that I don't get that excepti

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

phil hunt wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:09:48 -0700, Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 10:07 -0700, Kay Schluehr wrote: >> >>> Some other people already abandoned Python not for the worst reasons: >>> >>> http://www.kevin-walzer.com/pivot/entry.php?id=69 >> >>Being a

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 08:53 +0100, phil hunt wrote: > I was under the impression -- from reading this ng -- that wx was > buggy on some platforms and less portable than Tkinter. Not true? It depends on how you define "buggy" and "portable"... also "platform" is up for grabs too ;) On the seriou

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:09:48 -0700, Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 10:07 -0700, Kay Schluehr wrote: > >> Some other people already abandoned Python not for the worst reasons: >> >> http://www.kevin-walzer.com/pivot/entry.php?id=69 > >Being a developer requires not on

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:52:58 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Hallöchen! >> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The choice is GUI to

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On 31 Jul 2005 10:07:52 -0700, Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Ed Leafe wrote: >> On Sunday 31 July 2005 01:02, phil hunt wrote: >> >> > You mightn't have, but I suspect more Python programers who've >> > written GUI apps have used Tkinter than any of the other APIs. >> > >> > Not that I

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:02:43 -0400, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sunday 31 July 2005 01:02, phil hunt wrote: > >> You mightn't have, but I suspect more Python programers who've >> written GUI apps have used Tkinter than any of the other APIs. >> >> Not that I'm a particular fan of it, it

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 23:47 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: commentary about how Paul wants to both not install *anything* and if he does have to install something he must compile it from source because he shouldn't have had to do it in the first place therefore he needs to make it as difficult as poss

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > No it's not on Fedora, at least FC3. > > It may not be on a DVD but the RPMs are avaiable where Fedora should > look for them. > > > I had huge trouble trying to build it and gave up. > > It's perfectly okay if you are used to build everything your

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 23:46 +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote: > >> Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> [...] >>> >>> Well, I think this exposes one of the more interesting sides of >>> open source software in general. For better or wor

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Hallöchen! Paul Rubin writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I can't really understand your hostility towards non-Tkinter >> toolkits. In the case of wxPython, it's part of SUSE, which is >> probably also true for Fedora and Mandriva. Installing is

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:23:39 -0700, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >phil hunt wrote: > >> OK, hows this for an idea: >> >> 1. create a new API, loosely based on the Tkinter API, but more >> Pythonic >> >> 2. implement Tk using this API (probably won't be difficult because >> we can use

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I can put up a Tk gui in about 5 lines of code from a stock Python > > distro without having to install anything additional.  How do I do > > that with wxPython? > > import dabo > app = dabo.dApp() > dApp.start() > > Sorry, I couldn't do it in 5. ;-) Oh

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If it's for sensitive stuff normally you'd use https. > > Hm, I haven't tried piping X over https... I wasn't even aware it was > possible... do you have a link I can check this out on? I meant https for web interfaces. For other protocols it's simples

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because Tkinter looked like crap on OS X. Yes, it's cross-platform, it looks like crap everywhere ;-). > There are step-by-step instructions on the wxPython site for building it If I need step by step instructions beyond ./configure make make inst

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sunday 31 July 2005 19:38, Paul Rubin wrote: > I can put up a Tk gui in about 5 lines of code from a stock Python > distro without having to install anything additional.  How do I do > that with wxPython? import dabo app = dabo.dApp() dApp.start() Sorry, I couldn't do it in 5. ;-) Oh, and

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sunday 31 July 2005 15:48, Kay Schluehr wrote: > Ed promised to support many GUI toolkits I promised nothing of the sort. I said that we had designed our UI layer to be toolkit-agnostic, with the design goal of making choice of UI toolkit irrelevant. I also said that we recognize the sheer

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 17:45 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The usual way to do that is with a web GUI, but nothing stops you from > > > running Tkinter on a Unix server through a remote X connection. > > > > Of course not, but unless the servers are on a t

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sunday 31 July 2005 13:07, Kay Schluehr wrote: > My objection with wrappers around wrappers around wrappers is that I > have no hope ever watching the ground. If some error occurs, which > layer has to be addressed? Which developing group is reponsible? My own > or that of team A, team B, team

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 16:38 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The bottom line is this: some people like Tk, some wxPython. Each has > > advantages and disadvantages. But to claim that you *can only* do > > something in one or the other only demonstrates that

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sunday 31 July 2005 19:51, André Roberge wrote: > On a somewhat unrelated note: is there any "overlap"/"possibility of > collaboration" between Dabo-UI and Wax?  (I have use neither, sticking > to pure wxPython so far.) I've contacted Hans and we've discussed the possibility, but he didn't se

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sunday 31 July 2005 12:03, Paul Rubin wrote: > How on earth did you decide that, since tkinter actually runs out of > the box when you install Python on most platforms, and wxPython doesn't? Because Tkinter looked like crap on OS X. Sorry, but it's hard to sell an application that looks bad.

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The usual way to do that is with a web GUI, but nothing stops you from > > running Tkinter on a Unix server through a remote X connection. > > Of course not, but unless the servers are on a trusted network and use > an authentication scheme such as kerbe

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 16:57 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > And what do I use to bundle my application for Unix? Most of the > > > things I build get installed on Unix servers. > > > > You install GUI apps on Unix *servers*? > > The usual way to do that

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think you're the first person I've heard call IDLE an IDE. Then > again, I don't pay much attention to it. I use IDLE all the time and it wouldn't have occurred to me that it's something other than an IDE. It's not very good, but that's a different matte

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > And what do I use to bundle my application for Unix? Most of the > > things I build get installed on Unix servers. > > You install GUI apps on Unix *servers*? The usual way to do that is with a web GUI, but nothing stops you from running Tkinter on a

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