teaching language, since the Mens Latina AI already exists in JavaScript for
Microsoft Internet Explorer. Possibly poll the students to see if significant
numbers of students already know a particular coding language or are learning
such a language. If the host institution uses a particular
Hi all,
This is a set of training materials I used to successfully teach Python to kids
as little as 10 years old. It was a success because the kids didn't just finish
the course, they independently completed most of the coding challenges by
applying the knowledge they had learned.
The first f
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 03:45 am, Mark- wrote:
> ad...@python.org wrote:
>
>> Irv Kalb:
>> > I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley.
>>
>>
>> and I don't give a fuck about that.
>
> Wow, some of you folks are so civilized.
It's one person, a troll who is sending abusive and racist messag
alister :
> Beware of the Turing Tar-pit in which everything is possible but
> nothing of interest is easy.
I understand the pitfalls, but the alternatives are simply untenable. In
particular, rule languages are the spawn of the devil.
Marko
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2017 17:45:39 +, Mark- wrote:
> ad...@python.org wrote:
>
>> Irv Kalb:
>> > I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley.
>>
>>
>> and I don't give a fuck about that.
>
> Wow, some of you folks are so civilized.
It's not normally like this. We usually get a much higher
ad...@python.org wrote:
> Irv Kalb:
> > I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley.
>
>
> and I don't give a fuck about that.
Wow, some of you folks are so civilized.
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On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 12:48:39 AM UTC-5, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 30.06.17 um 04:33 schrieb Rick Johnson:
> > And to further drive home the point, you can manually
> > insert a list literal to prove this:
> >
> > >>> range(10)
> > [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
> > >>
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:58:23 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Rick Johnson
> > A better *FIRST* example would be something like this:
> >
> > def add(x, y):
> > return x + y
> >
> > When teaching a stu
Am 30.06.17 um 04:33 schrieb Rick Johnson:
And to further drive home the point, you can manually insert
a list literal to prove this:
>>> range(10)
[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
>>> for value in [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]:
... print(value)
...
0
1
No
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 1:25 PM, MRAB wrote:
> On 2017-07-01 03:12, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>> Terry Reedy writes:
>>>
>>> range is a class, not a function in the strict sense.
>>
>>
>>»the built-in function range() returns an iterator of integers«
>>
>> The Python Language Reference, Re
On 2017-07-01 03:12, Stefan Ram wrote:
Terry Reedy writes:
range is a class, not a function in the strict sense.
»the built-in function range() returns an iterator of integers«
The Python Language Reference, Release 3.6.0, 8.3 The for statement
Python 3.6.1 (v3.6.1:69c0db5, Mar
On 6/30/2017 1:07 PM, Irv Kalb wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about teaching the range
function.
range is a class, not a function in the strict sense.
Classes represent concepts. Instances of classes represent instances of
the concept. Range represent the concept
word "collection" for things you iterate
> over (rather than the concrete term "list"). So you can loop through
> (or iterate over) a collection of explicitly given numbers:
>
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about teaching the range
function.
I par
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> However, to my defense, I must say that in this post my intend
> was to demonstrate what is happening /behind the curtains/ when
> the »for« loop is running, so in this special case, it might be
> appropriate to use a function that otherw
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:17 am, Stefan Ram wrote:
b = a.__iter__()
Don't do that.
Dunder ("Double UNDERscore") methods like __iter__ should only be called by the
Python interpreter, not by the programmer. The right way to create an iterator
is to call the built-in function iter:
b = iter(a)
f numbers" rather than talking about a
> list here - or would that be even more confusing to students?
Sequence is definitely the right way to go, even if it is a little more
difficult to get across. Lists have a bunch of other methods you can use, like
list.sort() and list.reverse(), which r
Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Don't start with range(). Start with lists, and introduce the for
> loop as a way to iterate over lists. Leave range() until much later.
> You should be able to go a *long* way without it -- it's quite
> rare to need to iterate over a range of ints in idiomatic Python
> code
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 8:28:23 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > A better *FIRST* example would be
> > something like this:
> >
> > def add(x, y):
> > return x + y
> >
> >
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> A better *FIRST* example would be
> something like this:
>
> def add(x, y):
> return x + y
>
> When teaching a student about functions, the first step is
> to help them understand *WHY* they need to
Fibonacci series up to n."""
... a, b = 0, 1
... while a < n:
... print(a, end=' ')
... a, b = b, a+b
... print()
...
>>> # Now call the function we just defined:
... fib(2000)
0 1 1 2 3 5 8
Irv Kalb wrote:
In Python 2, I easily
demonstrated the range function using a simple print statement:
print range(0, 10)
I discussed how range returns a list. I gave many examples of different
values being passed into range, and printing the resulting lists.
Next, I introduced the concept of
does in Python 3. In Python 2, I easily demonstrated the
range function using a simple print statement:
print range(0, 10)
I discussed how range returns a list. I gave many examples of different values
being passed into range, and printing the resulting lists.
[... and the teaching path from
nge(3, 5)
>>> rng.index(7)
7
>>> rng.count(4)
1
>>> print(list(reversed(rng[3:5])))
[4, 3]
The biggest changes as far as usage goes are that its repr() no longer
looks like a list, it's now immutable, and it can't be multiplied or
added to other lists --
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Irv Kalb wrote:
> I am wondering if other teachers have run into this. Is this a real problem?
> If so, is there any other way of explaining the concept without getting into
> the underlying details of how a generator works? Do you think it would be
> helpful
I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley. I currently teach an
introductory course on Python and most of my students have no programming
background whatsoever. Up until now, my colleges have been using Python 2.
But now, one of the colleges has made the jump to Python 3. So I am upda
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:15 AM, beliavsky--- via Python-list
wrote:
> I think Python 2.x is still used more than Python 3.x in scientific
> computing. The Python books I have in this area, such as "Python for Finance:
> Analyze Big Financial Data" and "Python for Data Analysis", still use Pytho
I think Python 2.x is still used more than Python 3.x in scientific computing.
The Python books I have in this area, such as "Python for Finance: Analyze Big
Financial Data" and "Python for Data Analysis", still use Python 2.x . An
aspiring computational scientist, data scientist, or financial q
writes:
> This would make an excellent opportunity to develop a curriculum to
> teach students how to maintain a 2.x and 3.x code base using 2to3.
The advice today reflects the great progress that has been made over
many years of migrating projects and organisations to Python 3.
Instead of ‘2to
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>> We teach 3.4 (because that's what's available on the Ubuntu VMs that
>> we're recommending; anything 3.2+ will probably work just the same),
>> and that's it.
>
> The async keyword seems like one of Py3's bigger improve
Chris Angelico writes:
> We teach 3.4 (because that's what's available on the Ubuntu VMs that
> we're recommending; anything 3.2+ will probably work just the same),
> and that's it.
The async keyword seems like one of Py3's bigger improvements and it
makes its appearance in 3.5, iirc.
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
>>I'd rather not use 2to3 there. If you want to maintain a library that
>>can be used from 2.x and 3.x, it's much better to aim for the
>>compatible middle - u prefixes on all Unicode strings, b prefixes on
>>all byte strings, stick to ASCII w
In a message of Mon, 02 Nov 2015 01:27:24 +1100, Chris Angelico writes:
>On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:11 AM, wrote:
>> On Nov 1, 2015 2:45 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm proud to say that a Python tutoring company has just converted its
>>&g
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:11 AM, wrote:
> On Nov 1, 2015 2:45 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
>>
>> I'm proud to say that a Python tutoring company has just converted its
>> course over from teaching Python 2.7 to teaching 3.x. For the
>> naysayers out ther
On Nov 1, 2015 2:45 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
>
> I'm proud to say that a Python tutoring company has just converted its
> course over from teaching Python 2.7 to teaching 3.x. For the
> naysayers out there, it actually wasn't much of a transition;
This would
I'm proud to say that a Python tutoring company has just converted its
course over from teaching Python 2.7 to teaching 3.x. For the
naysayers out there, it actually wasn't much of a transition; putting
parentheses around all print calls, plus changing the way virtual
environments g
On Friday, October 31, 2014 10:10:33 AM UTC-7, Seymore4Head wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:44:01 -0400, Seymore4Head
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
> >>learn Pyth
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:44:01 -0400, Seymore4Head
wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
>>not too much.
>>
>>Doe
I use Chris Roffey's "Coding Club - Python Basics (Level 1)" and "Coding Club -
Python: Next Steps (Level 2)"
I also use the Turtle material from "Python for Kids"
These are 11+ year old kids in week long, 3 hour/day summer camps on the
Raspberry Pi and Python.
The Level 2 book is for the 2nd cam
On 9/29/2014 9:18 AM, Gabor Urban wrote:
Hi,
my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
not too much.
Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
Python has a turtle module, so they can continue w
I am actually teaching Python as a side job. My students have ranged from
eighth graders, up to a Silicon Valley hardware engineer who had no coding
experience, but who needed to do some test engineering.
My wife is an elementary school teacher. We occasionally talk about
age-appropriate
On 29 September 2014 14:18:31 BST, Gabor Urban wrote:
>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics,
>bat
>not too much.
>
>Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
"How to Think Like a Computer Scient
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
>not too much.
>
>Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
I ordered this book from the l
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/
>
> The official tutorial for an 11 year old?? I dont think so...
I don't see why not, to be honest. Not a lot of difference between his
11yo son and my 12yo sister, and I just pointed her at the tutorial
On Monday, September 29, 2014 6:59:10 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Gabor Urban wrote:
> > my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to learn
> > Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat not too
> > much.
>
Gabor Urban wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
> learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
> not too much.
>
> Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
The Internet is a big place, I always start by searching :-)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Gabor Urban wrote:
> my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to learn
> Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat not too
> much.
>
> Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
Right here:
https://docs.python.org
Hi,
my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
not too much.
Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
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On 14/04/2014 01:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
but the powers that be deem fit not
to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:13 AM, alex23 wrote:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
>
> If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
> enough text of the original to give a context. This will mak
On 11/04/2014 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
"Please always top post!"
What I was very gently and
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> but the powers that be deem fit not
> to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the sort of
thing that would bring down their
On 13/04/2014 23:51, Rhodri James wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yours
rate, my original point stands. You're not teaching on planet
Vulcan. Better to teach things in an odd order if that helps motivates
your students. It's not like people in real life carefully examine all
available documentation before learning some piece of tech. Usually they
shrug and
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:19:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
> For the rest, Im not sure that you need my help in making a fool of
> yourself... Anyway since you are requesting said help, here goes:
Very strong words.
>> On
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:50:05 AM UTC+5:30, pete.b...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
>
> > It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> > situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like your
quot; while posting a wise a$$
correction are just trolling, probably not funny in real life either. I think
if you're going to wise off than be witty about it, otherwise just a terse
reference to a link.
At any rate, my original point stands. You're not teaching on planet Vulcan.
Be
On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved posting was
> required, but there's only so many times you can tell people off for
> being rude before you start coming across as rude yourself.
> It's one of those
On 4/10/14 10:54 AM, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
Dear List
Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
(Geographic Information Systems).
Adults? ... what age ranges?
Their knowledge of programming is
zero. The objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS s
On 4/10/14 3:52 PM, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, you're
not funny.
Mark is the c.l.python resident margin police. Think of him as a welcome
committee with an attitude.
:)
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On 10/04/2014 21:52, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Tim Chase
wrote:
> On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
>> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
>> >> bad advice.
>> >
>> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever d
On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
> >> bad advice.
> >
> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever delete content from the
> > repository"
>
> No -- the
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:46:05 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>>>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:01:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
> wrote:
>> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain
>> to an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where
>> someone (usually an engineer like myse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>> and she was penalized.
>
> Citation please. I think this is bogu
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:54:23 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> What I am pointing out is that if one gets so besotted with irritation
> as to lose coherence, its unlikely that any useful communication will
> ensue.
This, a million times.
If all we do is be curmudgeons who complain about GG's poor post
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
> and she was penalized.
Citation please. I think this is bogus, although given how obnoxious som
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
wrote:
> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain to
> an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where someone
> (usually an engineer like myself) has stated (bluntly) that what the
> salesman is proposing wil
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 06:34:46 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
>
> It's not necessarily a bad idea to retain context in corporate emails.
> Messages tend to get forwarded to people other than the original
> recipient(s), and the context can be very helpful.
>
Right up to the point when someone forwards on
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It is, in a way, the corporate equivalent of "RTFM", only enshrined as
> normal practice rather than seen as a deliberate put-down of somebody who
> hasn't done their homework. And because it's normal practice, even those
> who know better
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:39:24 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico
> wrote:
[...]
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand email.
>> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code,
>> just comment it out". I don't care
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:37:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not
> told: "Please always top post!"
That's only because they are ignorant of the terminology of top- bottom-
and interleaved posting. If they knew the term, they would sa
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
>> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
>> actually required it. Not one.
>
>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
> actually required it. Not one.
I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved pos
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Just to make it clear:
> 1. I have no objection to the python list culture.
> As I said I tend to follow it in places where it is not the norm and get
> chided for it
> [For the record on other groups which are exclusively GG/gmail based
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> People whose familiarity with religion is limited to the Judeo-Christian
> tradition are inclined to the view (usually implicit) that
> "being religious" == "belief in God"
> However there are religions where belief in God is irreligious -- Jai
On Friday, April 11, 2014 11:12:14 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Also unhelpful is to suggest that norms should, simply *because* they
> > are the prevailing practice, be maintained. Even if everyone else on
> > python-li
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> That depends on what the mail is being used for. For instance there's
> a difference between mail-as-dialogue and mail-as-business-process.
> In the former it is normal, even polite, to prune as the topic evolves
> and past quotations become les
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> > "Please always top post!"
> >
> > What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> >
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>>
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand emai
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont dele
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>
> Then you we
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> "Please always top post!"
>
> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> "Please dont delete mail context"
Then you were told that by someone who does no
On Friday, April 11, 2014 9:29:00 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> > top posting is the norm, eg
>
> > - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of g
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> top posting is the norm, eg
> - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of gmail and Usenet
> users
> - Corporate cultures more or less require top posting -
"Rhodri James" writes:
> Sorry your post was the straw to break the camel's back this week, but
> it is a complete pain to the rest of us. I have more than once
> considered getting my reader to automatically discard anything with
> "@googlegroups.com" in the message ID just to reduce the aggrava
On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:10:22 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> Sorry your post was the straw to break the camel's back this week, but it
> is a complete pain to the rest of us. I have more than once considered
> getting my reader to automatically discard anything with
> "@googlegroups.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:52:53 +0100, wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it ju
>
> Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
>
> paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
>
> I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
>
>
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, yo
On 10/04/2014 18:53, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday the
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:24:48 PM UTC+5:30, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
> Dear List
>
> Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
> (Geographic Information Systems). Their knowledge of programming is zero. The
> objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday they might have jobs, and be required to learn things i
Dear List
Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
(Geographic Information Systems). Their knowledge of programming is zero.
The objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS software like
QGIS and ArcGIS. It would require them to learn, besides core python, P
In article ,
Neil Cerutti wrote:
>On 2013-12-17, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> I would really like to see good quality statistics about bugs
>> per program written in different languages. I expect that, for
>> all we like to make fun of COBOL, it probably has few bugs per
>> unit-of-useful-work-don
In article <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a...@gmx.net>,
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>> > And ever after that experience, I avoided all languages that were
>> > even remotely similar to C, such as C++, Java, C#, Javascript, PHP
>> > etc.
>>
>> I think that's disappointing, for two reasons. First
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:38:51 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
> Does anybody ever use D? I looked at it a few years ago. It seemed
> like a very good concept. Sort of C++, with the worst of the crap torn
> out. If nothing else, with the preprocessor torn out :-)
>
> Did it ever go anywhere?
Apparently
On 12/20/13 6:58 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On 20 Dec 2013 02:16:05 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
declaimed the following:
2) Even for kernel developers, I believe that systems languages should be
safe by default. You ought to have to explicitly disable (say) bounds
checking in critical sections of
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:38:51 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <52b328f7$0$6512$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> Correct. The *great deal of trouble* part is important. Things which
>> are the responsibility of the language and compiler in (say) Java, D,
>>
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:38:51 -, Roy Smith wrote:
I disagree entirely (but respectfully). If you want to get down to the
hardware where you can fiddle bits, you want as little getting between
you and the silicon as possible. Every time you add a safety feature,
you put another layer of *st
In article <52b328f7$0$6512$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Correct. The *great deal of trouble* part is important. Things which are
> the responsibility of the language and compiler in (say) Java, D, Rust,
> Go, etc. are the responsibility of the programmer with
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