On 14/04/2014 01:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
but the powers that be deem fit not
to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:13 AM, alex23 wrote:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
>
> If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
> enough text of the original to give a context. This will mak
On 11/04/2014 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
"Please always top post!"
What I was very gently and
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> but the powers that be deem fit not
> to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the sort of
thing that would bring down their
On 13/04/2014 23:51, Rhodri James wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yours
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yourself.
People who say "I can't be bothe
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:19:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
> For the rest, Im not sure that you need my help in making a fool of
> yourself... Anyway since you are requesting said help, here goes:
Very strong words.
>> On
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:50:05 AM UTC+5:30, pete.b...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
>
> > It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> > situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like your
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
> It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like yourself.
People who say "I can't be bothered to correct this" while posting a wise a
On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved posting was
> required, but there's only so many times you can tell people off for
> being rude before you start coming across as rude yourself.
> It's one of those
On 4/10/14 10:54 AM, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
Dear List
Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
(Geographic Information Systems).
Adults? ... what age ranges?
Their knowledge of programming is
zero. The objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS s
On 4/10/14 3:52 PM, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, you're
not funny.
Mark is the c.l.python resident margin police. Think of him as a welcome
committee with an attitude.
:)
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyt
On 10/04/2014 21:52, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Tim Chase
wrote:
> On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
>> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
>> >> bad advice.
>> >
>> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever d
On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
> >> bad advice.
> >
> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever delete content from the
> > repository"
>
> No -- the
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:46:05 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>>>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:01:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
> wrote:
>> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain
>> to an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where
>> someone (usually an engineer like myse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>> and she was penalized.
>
> Citation please. I think this is bogu
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:54:23 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> What I am pointing out is that if one gets so besotted with irritation
> as to lose coherence, its unlikely that any useful communication will
> ensue.
This, a million times.
If all we do is be curmudgeons who complain about GG's poor post
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
> and she was penalized.
Citation please. I think this is bogus, although given how obnoxious som
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
wrote:
> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain to
> an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where someone
> (usually an engineer like myself) has stated (bluntly) that what the
> salesman is proposing wil
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 06:34:46 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
>
> It's not necessarily a bad idea to retain context in corporate emails.
> Messages tend to get forwarded to people other than the original
> recipient(s), and the context can be very helpful.
>
Right up to the point when someone forwards on
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It is, in a way, the corporate equivalent of "RTFM", only enshrined as
> normal practice rather than seen as a deliberate put-down of somebody who
> hasn't done their homework. And because it's normal practice, even those
> who know better
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:39:24 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico
> wrote:
[...]
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand email.
>> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code,
>> just comment it out". I don't care
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:37:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not
> told: "Please always top post!"
That's only because they are ignorant of the terminology of top- bottom-
and interleaved posting. If they knew the term, they would sa
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
>> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
>> actually required it. Not one.
>
>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
> actually required it. Not one.
I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved pos
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Just to make it clear:
> 1. I have no objection to the python list culture.
> As I said I tend to follow it in places where it is not the norm and get
> chided for it
> [For the record on other groups which are exclusively GG/gmail based
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> People whose familiarity with religion is limited to the Judeo-Christian
> tradition are inclined to the view (usually implicit) that
> "being religious" == "belief in God"
> However there are religions where belief in God is irreligious -- Jai
On Friday, April 11, 2014 11:12:14 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Also unhelpful is to suggest that norms should, simply *because* they
> > are the prevailing practice, be maintained. Even if everyone else on
> > python-li
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> That depends on what the mail is being used for. For instance there's
> a difference between mail-as-dialogue and mail-as-business-process.
> In the former it is normal, even polite, to prune as the topic evolves
> and past quotations become les
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> > "Please always top post!"
> >
> > What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> >
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>>
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand emai
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont dele
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>
> Then you we
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> "Please always top post!"
>
> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> "Please dont delete mail context"
Then you were told that by someone who does no
On Friday, April 11, 2014 9:29:00 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> > top posting is the norm, eg
>
> > - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of g
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> top posting is the norm, eg
> - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of gmail and Usenet
> users
> - Corporate cultures more or less require top posting -
On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:10:22 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> Sorry your post was the straw to break the camel's back this week, but it
> is a complete pain to the rest of us. I have more than once considered
> getting my reader to automatically discard anything with
> "@googlegroups.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:52:53 +0100, wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it ju
>
> Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
>
> paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
>
> I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
>
>
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, yo
On 10/04/2014 18:53, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday the
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:24:48 PM UTC+5:30, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
> Dear List
>
> Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
> (Geographic Information Systems). Their knowledge of programming is zero. The
> objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday they might have jobs, and be required to learn things i
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