Anssi Saari wrote in
news:vg3tyf75eq1@pepper.modeemi.fi:
> rzed writes:
>
>> Did you say "was"? The last time I did any programming on a VMS
>> system was ... about 5 1/2 hours ago. Our shop runs OpenVMS now,
>> programs mostly in C and BASIC. I've quietly insinuated Python
>> into the mix
rzed writes:
> Did you say "was"? The last time I did any programming on a VMS system
> was ... about 5 1/2 hours ago. Our shop runs OpenVMS now, programs
> mostly in C and BASIC. I've quietly insinuated Python into the mix
> over the last few months, and that has helped my sanity considerably
On 2011-03-12, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:11:37 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> The point I was trying to make was that the 240 was a
>> superset of the 220, and could be used identically as the 220 was used.
>>
> Fair enough: I bow to hands-on experience.
>
> My source - ht
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 23:00:25 -0800, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> Note the last sentence starting "The name ANSI..."
>
Indeed. I'm pretty certain that the first time I met the term "ANSI" was
in connection with the DOS add-on 'ANSI driver' that allowed programs to
control the display by emitt
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:11:37 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> The point I was trying to make was that the 240 was a
> superset of the 220, and could be used identically as the 220 was used.
>
Fair enough: I bow to hands-on experience.
My source - http://vt100.net/vt_history - Says "There is no VT20
On 2011-03-12, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> Sorry if I wasn't clear: I was intending to compare APIs rather than the
> display mechanisms - I am aware that both text terminals and vector
> graphics terminals are raster devices, not vector like oscilloscopes.
> What I was getting at is that the AP
On Mar 11, 9:17 am, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Grant Edwards writes:
> > C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
> > formatting and form handling libraries.
>
> Just curious, what language was widely used in VMS? My VMS experience
> is limited to running Maple for a math course
Anssi Saari wrote in
news:vg3hbba6mp7@pepper.modeemi.fi:
> Grant Edwards writes:
>
>> C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
>> formatting and form handling libraries.
>
> Just curious, what language was widely used in VMS? My VMS
> experience is limited to runni
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:32:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-03-11, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> BTW, there was no such thing as a VT-200 - there was a VT-220 text
>> terminal (which I think the OP was remembering) and the VT-240 and 241
>> terminals, which were totally different graphics t
On 2011-03-11, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> BTW, there was no such thing as a VT-200 - there was a VT-220 text
> terminal (which I think the OP was remembering) and the VT-240 and
> 241 terminals, which were totally different graphics terminals that
> accepted Tektronics graphics commands: comparing
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:53:20 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I think the order went the other way -- I think most of the ANSI
>> sequences were inherited from the VT52/VT100 terminals.
>
> Ah. I didn't mean to imply order, only that the vt200 used ANSI escape
> sequences with some extensions.
>
I
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:52:13 +, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-10, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:31:11 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> You tricked me by saying only DEC VAX/VMS programmers would know what
>>> it was. In fact, many, many Unix programmers knew about
On 2011-03-11, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:17:08 +0200, Anssi Saari declaimed
> the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>> Grant Edwards writes:
>>
>> > C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
>> > formatting and form handling libraries.
>>
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:58:20 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-03-11, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> Grant Edwards writes:
>>
>>> C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
>>> formatting and form handling libraries.
>>
>> Just curious, what language was widely used in VMS?
>
>
On 2011-03-11, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Grant Edwards writes:
>
>> C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
>> formatting and form handling libraries.
>
> Just curious, what language was widely used in VMS?
>From what I remember, FORTRAN what probably the most popular. Pasca
On 2011-03-11, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:55:02 + (UTC), Grant Edwards
> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>> vt200 terminals. The vt200 wasn't a TV. It was a character-based,
>> mostly-ANSI-escape-sequence, computer terminal connected via async
Aw! to stray down memory lane. Well enough straying. Back to work.
GrayShark
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On 03/11/2011 04:24 AM, GrayShark wrote:
Oh yes, Cobol also worked on VMS (yikes! the columns just
right issues!).
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. PAIN-PAIN-PAIN.
PROCEDURE DIVISION.
DISPLAY 'Thanks for dredging up painful memories'.
DISPLAY 'I've spen
On 2011-03-10 14:55:02 -0500, Grant Edwards said:
Eh? Those are viddotex/teletext systems aren't they?
I thought the OP was talking about a character-based windowing and
form-handling library used by applications that ran under VAX/VMS on
vt200 terminals. The vt200 wasn't a TV. It was a char
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:39:02 -0600, GrayShark wrote:
>> I think the order went the other way -- I think most of the ANSI
>> sequences were inherited from the VT52/VT100 terminals.
>
> Are you implying ascii came after the VT52/VT110 terminals? VT52 is a
> ascii code based piece of shit, incl
On Thu, 2011-03-10, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:31:11 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> You tricked me by saying only DEC VAX/VMS programmers would know what it
>> was. In fact, many, many Unix programmers knew about curses (and still
>> do) and very few VMS programmers ever did
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:26:37 -0800, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:55:02 + (UTC), Grant Edwards
> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>> vt200 terminals. The vt200 wasn't a TV. It was a character-based,
>> mostly-ANSI-escape-sequence, computer termi
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:17:08 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Grant Edwards writes:
>
>> C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
>> formatting and form handling libraries.
>
> Just curious, what language was widely used in VMS? My VMS experience is
> limited to running Maple
Grant Edwards writes:
> C wasn't very widely used under VMS, and VMS had it's own screen
> formatting and form handling libraries.
Just curious, what language was widely used in VMS? My VMS experience
is limited to running Maple for a math course in the university in
early 1990s. Didn't know how
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:31:11 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> You tricked me by saying only DEC VAX/VMS programmers would know what it
> was. In fact, many, many Unix programmers knew about curses (and still
> do) and very few VMS programmers ever did. C wasn't very widely used
> under VMS, and VMS
On 2011-03-10, GrayShark wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:02:41 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2011-03-10, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 00:38 -0600, GrayShark wrote:
Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
interface on a VT200 termi
On 2011-03-10, Charles Turner wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:38:11 -0600, GrayShark
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>> Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
>> interface on a VT200 terminal
>
> A wild guess: Prestel? Bildschirmtext? Telidon?
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:02:41 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-03-10, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 00:38 -0600, GrayShark wrote:
>>> Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
>>> interface on a VT200 terminal (only DEC VAX/VMS programmers are go
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:38:11 -0600, GrayShark
declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
interface on a VT200 terminal
A wild guess: Prestel? Bildschirmtext? Telidon? Teletex? NAPLPS?
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On 2011-03-10, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 00:38 -0600, GrayShark wrote:
>> Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
>> interface on a VT200 terminal (only DEC VAX/VMS programmers are going to
>> know what this is). Question. What was the library
Yes, Curses, how could I forget that. Thanks
Steven
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:34:35 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 00:38 -0600, GrayShark wrote:
>> Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
>> interface on a VT200 terminal (only DEC VAX/VMS progr
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 00:38 -0600, GrayShark wrote:
> Once, many, many, years ago, I programmed some type of 'graphical'
> interface on a VT200 terminal (only DEC VAX/VMS programmers are going to
> know what this is). Question. What was the library I linked against?
> Yes, you remember, painting
Hm, maybe curses? *ix programmers often know what it is, but it was present
on VMS as well. And the python sources come with a curses module.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/5763/5763pro_015.html
The main question then becomes, was VMS's curses a termcap curses or a
terminfo curses, or so
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