On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:34:27 +0100, Hans Mulder wrote:
> On 7/11/12 01:13:47, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Hit the J key, and the event includes character "j". Hit Shift-J, and
>> character "J" is sent. Hit Ctrl-J, and the character sent is the ASCII
>> control character ^J, or newline. (Technically
On 7/11/12 01:13:47, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:08:11 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>>
> To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
> character as a lit
On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:49:41 +0100, Hans Mulder wrote:
> On 6/11/12 23:50:59, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>
To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
character as a literal, and then typed Ctrl-J to get a
Am 31.10.2012 06:39 schrieb Robert Miles:
For those of you running Linux: You may want to look into whether
NoCeM is compatible with your newsreader and your version of Linux.
This sounds as if it was intrinsically impossible to evaluate NoCeMs in
Windows.
If someone writes a software for
On 6/11/12 23:50:59, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>
>>> To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
>>> character as a literal, and then typed Ctrl-J to get a newline.
>>
>> That sounds complicated, my version of bash let
On 2012-11-06, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:51:03 -0500, GangGreene wrote:
>
>> I have just finished a 251 line bash shell script that builds my linux
>> distro from scratch.
>
> "From scratch"? So if you run it on bare metal with no OS, it works?
>
>:-P
>
> But seriously -- bas
"Prasad, Ramit" writes:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>
>> >> To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
>> >> character as a literal, and then typed Ctrl-J to get a newline.
>> >
>> > That sounds complicated, m
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:52:16 +1300, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> The downside is that if spaces are not argument separators, then you
>> need something else to be an argument separator. Or you need argument
>> delimiters. Or strings need to be quoted. Programming languages do
>
In article ,
Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > The downside is that if spaces are not argument separators, then you need
> > something else to be an argument separator. Or you need argument
> > delimiters. Or strings need to be quoted. Programming languages do these
> > things
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
The downside is that if spaces are not argument separators, then you need
something else to be an argument separator. Or you need argument
delimiters. Or strings need to be quoted. Programming languages do these
things because they are designed to be correct. Shell do not
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:14:40 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:51:03 -0500, GangGreene wrote:
>
>> I have just finished a 251 line bash shell script that builds my linux
>> distro from scratch.
>
> "From scratch"? So if you run it on bare metal with no OS, it works?
It has
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:08:11 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>
>> >> To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
>> >> character as a literal, and then typed Ctrl-J to get a newline.
>> >
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:51:03 -0500, GangGreene wrote:
> I have just finished a 251 line bash shell script that builds my linux
> distro from scratch.
"From scratch"? So if you run it on bare metal with no OS, it works?
:-P
But seriously -- bash is a mature, powerful shell. It works well for wha
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>
> >> To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
> >> character as a literal, and then typed Ctrl-J to get a newline.
> >
> > That sounds complicated, my version of bash lets me type
> >
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:44 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>> To enter the newline, I typed Ctrl-Q to tell bash to treat the next
>> character as a literal, and then typed Ctrl-J to get a newline.
>
> That sounds complicated, my version of bash lets me type
> 'foobar' for the same effect.
Well, I
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:47:47 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Nevertheless, I do tend to prefer underscores to spaces, simply because I
> often use naive tools that treat spaces as separators. That is, command
> line shells.
I visually prefer spaces but it
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:52:36 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
[putolin]
> Programming languages are designed to write programs. Not only will the
> code be {used, read, maintained} for a much longer period of time, it
> will be used by people other than the original author, and on inputs
> other than ori
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2012-11-05, Roy Smith wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> >> It's nothing to do with operating system. File names are names, and
> >> spaces in them are seldom worth the hassle unless you manipulate those
> >> files solely using a GUI.
> >
> > That's
In article <50989a16$0$29980$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Shell do not [quote strings, etc] because they
> are designed for lazy users and merely aim to be "good enough".
Well, sort of. Or, perhaps more correctly, "Yes, but that's a good
thing".
Shells are d
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:39:35 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM, rusi wrote:
>> Among people who know me, I am a linux nerd: My sister scolded me
>> yesterday because I put files on her computer without spaces:
>> DoesAnyoneWriteLikeThis?!?!
>
> My filenames seldom hav
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:47:47 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>> Don't most OSes allow non-printing characters in filenames? VMS and
>> Unix always have. AFAIK, there are only two characters that can't
>> appear in a Unix filename: '\x00' and '/'.
>
> But can you /enter/ them with common k
On 11/04/2012 04:13 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> / ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Fri 2.Nov'12 at 11:39:10 -0700 /
>
>> (I also hope I haven't just been suckered by a troll attempt,
>> windows/unix is better then unix/windows being an age-old means of
>> trolling.)
>
> No, i'm not a "troll". I was
On 2012-11-05, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:39:35 +1100, Chris Angelico
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>>
>> It's nothing to do with operating system. File names are names, and
>> spaces in them are seldom worth the hassle unless you manipulate thos
On 2012-11-05, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> It's nothing to do with operating system. File names are names, and
>> spaces in them are seldom worth the hassle unless you manipulate those
>> files solely using a GUI.
>
> That's a very ascii-esqe attitude. In a full
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> That's a very ascii-esqe attitude. In a fully unicode world, I could
> easily see using U+00A0 (NO-BREAK SPACE) in file names, and still have
> space-delimited CLI work just fine.
>
Oh, do you have a "U+00A0-bar" on your keyboard?
ChrisA
--
h
In article ,
Chris Angelico wrote:
> It's nothing to do with operating system. File names are names, and
> spaces in them are seldom worth the hassle unless you manipulate those
> files solely using a GUI.
That's a very ascii-esqe attitude. In a fully unicode world, I could
easily see using U
On Nov 5, 11:40 am, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM, rusi wrote:
> > Among people who know me, I am a linux nerd: My sister scolded me
> > yesterday because I put files on her computer without spaces:
> > DoesAnyoneWriteLikeThis?!?!
>
> My filenames seldom have spaces in th
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM, rusi wrote:
> Among people who know me, I am a linux nerd: My sister scolded me
> yesterday because I put files on her computer without spaces:
> DoesAnyoneWriteLikeThis?!?!
My filenames seldom have spaces in them, but that has nothing to do
with how I write Englis
On Nov 4, 4:14 pm, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> / ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Fri 2.Nov'12 at 11:39:10 -0700 /
>
> > (I also hope I haven't just been suckered by a troll
> > attempt, windows/unix is better then unix/windows being
> > an age-old means of trolling.)
>
> No, i'm not a "troll". I was jus
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Anybody serious about programming should know that an OS is a combination
> of the hardware and software. Can the *Nix variants now do proper
> clustering or are they still decades behind VMS? Never used the other
> main/mini frame systems
On 01/11/2012 09:55, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
/ Robert Miles wrote on Wed 31.Oct'12 at 0:39:02 -0500 /
For those of you running Linux: You may want to look into whether
NoCeM is compatible with your newsreader and your version of Linux.
It checks newsgroups news.lists.filters and alt.nocem.m
On 04-Nov-2012 12:13, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
/ ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Fri 2.Nov'12 at 11:39:10 -0700 /
(I also hope I haven't just been suckered by a troll
attempt, windows/unix is better then unix/windows being
an age-old means of trolling.)
No, i'm not a "troll". I was just adding my o
/ ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Fri 2.Nov'12 at 11:39:10 -0700 /
> (I also hope I haven't just been suckered by a troll
> attempt, windows/unix is better then unix/windows being
> an age-old means of trolling.)
No, i'm not a "troll". I was just adding my opinion to the thread, I assumed
that was al
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:24:15 -0400, Dave Angel wrote:
> For the DOS world, real programmers have written a "complete" *.com
> program using only echo.
Echo? Wimps. Real programmers write their code directly on the surface of
the hard drive using only a magnetised needle.
--
Steven
--
http:/
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> For the DOS world, real programmers have written a "complete" *.com
> program using only echo.
Only as an exercise. It was satisfying to prove to myself that I could
do it, but pretty useless. Normally I used DEBUG.EXE to build my code
- it has
On 11/03/2012 03:44 AM, Bob Martin wrote:
>
>>
> Real programmers (can) write in assembler.
Real programmers can (and have) write in hex/octal or binary. For my
first project at a permanent job, I had to write code for a machine with
no assembler. Near the end of the project, I wrote a text edi
in 684220 20121102 093654 Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>/ ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 /
>
>> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>> > Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
>> > UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these sys
On 02/11/2012 18:39, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
On 11/02/2012 03:36 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
/ ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 /
On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It
On 11/02/2012 03:36 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> / ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 /
>
>> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>>> Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
>>> UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these syste
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> / ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 /
>
>> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>> > Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
>> > UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that th
On 2012-11-02, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:32:08 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> And there are probably still a few around who maintain that Java, C#,
>> and even C are too modern, and that serious programmers use FORTRAN or
>> COBOL.
>
> Huh. If you're messing about with anc
/ ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 /
> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
> > UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems
> > should be avoided if you're serious about Softwar
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:25:37 -, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
Huh. If you're messing about with ancient[1] languages like Java, C# and
especially C, you're not a real programmer. Real programmers use modern,
advanced languages like D, Erlang, Go or Haskell.
Advanced? Huh. I have here a langu
In article <50932111$0$29967$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Huh. If you're messing about with ancient[1] languages like Java, C# and
> especially C, you're not a real programmer. Real programmers use modern,
> advanced languages like D, Erlang, Go or Haskell.
D
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:32:08 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> And there are probably still a few around who maintain that Java, C#,
> and even C are too modern, and that serious programmers use FORTRAN or
> COBOL.
Huh. If you're messing about with ancient[1] languages like Java, C# and
especially
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM, wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>> Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
>> UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems
>> should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and
>> Com
On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
> UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems
> should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and
> Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of
/ Steven D'Aprano wrote on Wed 31.Oct'12 at 22:33:16 + /
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:32:57 -0700, rurpy wrote:
> I don't killfile merely for posting from Gmail or Google Groups, but
> regarding your second point, it has seemed to me for some years now that
> Gmail is the new Hotmail, which wa
/ Robert Miles wrote on Wed 31.Oct'12 at 0:39:02 -0500 /
> For those of you running Linux: You may want to look into whether
> NoCeM is compatible with your newsreader and your version of Linux.
> It checks newsgroups news.lists.filters and alt.nocem.misc for lists
> of spam posts, and will auto
On 31 October 2012 22:33, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
[...]
> I don't killfile merely for posting from Gmail
And we are humbly grateful.
--
Arnaud
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:32:57 -0700, rurpy wrote:
[...]
>> You're probably referring to their change in the way they handle
>> end-of-lines, which is now incompatible with most newsreaders,
>> especially with multiple levels of quoting.
>
> It's a minor pain to fix this when posting, but
>
> 1. I
On 10/30/2012 11:07 PM, Robert Miles wrote:> On 9/16/2012 8:18 AM, Ben Finney
wrote:
>> Νικόλαος Κούρας writes:
>>
>>> Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
>>>
>>> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
>>
>> It is becoming quite clear that
On 9/16/2012 8:14 PM, alex23 wrote:
On Sep 17, 10:55 am, Roy Smith wrote:
They didn't buy the service. They bought the data. Well, they really
bought both, but the data is all they wanted.
I thought they'd taken most of the historical data offline now too?
Some of it, but they still had m
On 9/16/2012 10:44 AM, pandora.ko...@gmail.com wrote:
Whaen i tried to post just now by hitting sumbit, google groups told me that
the following addresssed has benn found in this thread! i guess is used them
all to notify everything!
cdf072b2-7359-4417-b1e4-d984e4317...@googlegroups.com
mailma
On 9/16/2012 8:18 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
Νικόλαος Κούρας writes:
Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
It is becoming quite clear that some change has happened recently to
Google Groups that makes
On 2012-09-22, Hank Gay wrote:
> On 2012-09-21 15:07:09 +, Grant Edwards said:
>>
>> I told my news client years ago to filter out anything posted from
>> Google Groups -- and I know I'm not alone. If one wants the best
>> chance of getting a question answered, using something other than
>>
On 2012-09-21 15:07:09 +, Grant Edwards said:
I told my news client years ago to filter out anything posted from
Google Groups -- and I know I'm not alone. If one wants the best
chance of getting a question answered, using something other than
Google Groups is indeed a good idea.
What's t
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:07:09 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I told my news client years ago to filter out anything posted from
> Google Groups -- and I know I'm not alone. If one wants the best chance
> of getting a question answered, using something other than Google Groups
> is indeed a good ide
On 2012-09-16, Ben Finney wrote:
> writes:
>
>> Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
>>
>> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
>
> It is becoming quite clear that some change has happened recently to
> Googl
On 9/16/2012 8:18 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
Νικόλαος Κούρας writes:
Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
It is becoming quite clear that some change has happened recently to
Google Groups that makes
[ Joel Goldstick wrote on Sun 16.Sep'12 at 11:57:56 -0400 ]
> email client to python-list@python.org
If using Windows I would certainly use Thunderbird or even slrn news reader - I
believe there is a version for Windows. Or you could install Interix subsystem
which provides UNIX tools for Wind
On Sunday 16 September 2012 12:29:39 pandora.ko...@gmail.com did opine:
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> >
> > email client to python-list@python.org
>
> wait a minute! i must use my ISP's news server and then post o
> comp.lang.python no?
No.
> What is python-list@p
On Sep 17, 10:55 am, Roy Smith wrote:
> They didn't buy the service. They bought the data. Well, they really
> bought both, but the data is all they wanted.
I thought they'd taken most of the historical data offline now too?
Either way, it was the sort of purchase-and-whither approach you
usua
In article
<6c732de0-b10f-4d40-853c-f62682970...@rg9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
alex23 wrote:
> On Sep 16, 11:18 pm, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Using Google Groups for posting to Usenet has been a bad idea for a long
> > time, but now it just seems to be a sure recipe for annoying the rest of
> > u
On Sep 16, 11:18 pm, Ben Finney wrote:
> Using Google Groups for posting to Usenet has been a bad idea for a long
> time, but now it just seems to be a sure recipe for annoying the rest of
> us. Again, not something you have much control over, except to stop
> using Google Groups.
Agreed. While i
On Sunday 16 September 2012 09:11 PM, pandora.ko...@gmail.com wrote:
Τη Κυριακή, 16 Σεπτεμβρίου 2012 4:18:50 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Ben Finney έγραψε:
Νικόλαος Κούρας writes:
Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
Iam positng via google groups using chr
On 16/09/2012 17:06, pandora.ko...@gmail.com wrote:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
email client to python-list@python.org
wait a minute! i must use my ISP's news server and then post o comp.lang.python
no?
What is python-list@python.org how can i post there?
I
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:41:44 -0700, pandora.koura wrote:
> If i ditch google groups what application can i use in Windows 8 to post
> to this newsgroup and what newsserver too?
Google is your friend. Do try to find the answer to your questions before
asking here.
Search for "usenet news reader
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:06:30 -0700, pandora.koura wrote:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> What is python-list@python.org how can i post there?
It's the same thing it was when I posted the above URL a few hours ago.
Didn't you follow the link before? It has instructio
On Sunday 16 September 2012 12:08:47 pandora.ko...@gmail.com did opine:
> Whaen i tried to post just now by hitting sumbit, google groups told me
> that the following addresssed has benn found in this thread! i guess is
> used them all to notify everything!
>
> cdf072b2-7359-4417-b1e4-d984e4317..
On 9/16/2012 11:41 AM, pandora.ko...@gmail.com wrote:
If i ditch google groups
PLEASE DO
> what application can i use in Windows 8 to post to this newsgroup
> and what newsserver too?
news.gmane.org is a free newsserver that mirrors 1000s of technical
email lists. python-list is gmane.comp.
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>
>>
>>
>> email client to python-list@python.org
>>
>
> wait a minute! i must use my ISP's news server and then post o
> comp.lang.python no?
>
> What is python-list@python.org how can i post
>
> Ah. Did you then send to all three? Just a wild guess, but I'm
>
> thinking that might be the cause of post duplication...
>
>
>
> ChrisA
I had no choise, it doesnt let me pick one, it just notifies me that it will
posted to these 3.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-li
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, wrote:
> Τη Κυριακή, 16 Σεπτεμβρίου 2012 4:18:50 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Ben Finney
> έγραψε:
>> Νικόλαος Κούρας writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Iam positng via google groups using chrom
>
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
>
>
> email client to python-list@python.org
>
wait a minute! i must use my ISP's news server and then post o comp.lang.python
no?
What is python-list@python.org how can i post there?
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/py
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:44 AM, wrote:
> Whaen i tried to post just now by hitting sumbit, google groups told me that
> the following addresssed has benn found in this thread! i guess is used them
> all to notify everything!
>
> cdf072b2-7359-4417-b1e4-d984e4317...@googlegroups.com
> mailman.7
Whaen i tried to post just now by hitting sumbit, google groups told me that
the following addresssed has benn found in this thread! i guess is used them
all to notify everything!
cdf072b2-7359-4417-b1e4-d984e4317...@googlegroups.com
mailman.774.1347735926.27098.python-l...@python.org
nikos.gr..
Τη Κυριακή, 16 Σεπτεμβρίου 2012 4:18:50 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Ben Finney έγραψε:
> Νικόλαος Κούρας writes:
>
>
>
> > Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.
>
> >
>
> > Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
>
>
>
> It is becoming qui
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