On 11/02/2012 03:36 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > / ru...@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 / > >> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: >>> Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of >>> UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems >>> should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering >>> and Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent >>> news reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn >>> is a good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed >>> out. I can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc. >>> now. > >> Are you saying that this group is only for "serious" programmers? > > I don't see where my comments suggested that this group is only for > serious programmers. I simply believe that the UNIX platform, in > whatever form, is better placed and designed for all sorts of > computing and engineering projects. The history of UNIX speaks for > itself. Many Universities that offer respected and credible science > based degree programmes, namely engineering and computing programmes, > strongly encourage students to become competent with UNIX systems. > Windows in my opinion is really for those who use the internet on a > casual basis or in a commercial environment where its staff are not > necessarily computer literate and therefore need a platform that they > can use which doesn't require them to learn more complex techniques > and protocols. But, having said that, I'm not against Windo ws at > all. I use it frequently and enjoy using it most of the time.
Wow, that makes me feel like I am back in the 1990s! Thanks for the trip down memory lane. :-) >> "serious" is also a matter of opinion. I have some serious >> programmer friends who maintain, in complete sincerity, that >> serious programmers should not waste time on slow, script-kiddie >> languages like Python, but should be developing their skills with >> serious professional languages like Java, C#, etc. > > That is a narrow minded approach. different languages serve different > purposes and it's down to the developer to use which language she > needs to achieve what it is they've set out to do. Sometimes, basic > shell scripts can be extremely powerful for certain tasks; other > needs will require something different. I certainly wouldn't describe > Python as a "script-kiddie" language. It's extremely powerful and > modern. So there ;-P lol Right. I happen to agree with you and was just repeating an elitist attitude I've often heard where what *I* use is for *serious* business and what *they* use is just for playing around, for those without as much technical competence as me, etc. Without a quantitative definition of "serious" and some objective evidence supporting it, your opinion that unix is more "serious" than windows is as narrow-minded as my friends' opinion (which was the point I was trying to make and which you seem to have missed.) I don't particularly like Windows and am able to mostly avoid it these days, but think you should realize that describing it as not for *serious* use is going irritate some people and make you look like you are not able to make objective judgements. (I also hope I haven't just been suckered by a troll attempt, windows/unix is better then unix/windows being an age-old means of trolling.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
