Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-30 Thread John J. Lee
Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > No, it's not a silly idea. Dean Baker, the Co-Director the Center for Economic > and Policy Research, has proposed for the U.S. government to establish a > Software Developer's Corps. For $2 billion per year, it could fund about > 20,000 > developers

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-24 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>Far answers to this and all other (as far as I can determine) >>hypothetical questions please refer to the license. > > > But note that no OSI certified open source license will grant the right > to use a trademark. You gain trademark rights

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread russnelson
Steve Holden wrote: > Far answers to this and all other (as far as I can determine) > hypothetical questions please refer to the license. But note that no OSI certified open source license will grant the right to use a trademark. You gain trademark rights by having control over the quality of th

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread rbt
Luis M. González wrote: > rbt wrote: >> Go right ahead. Perhaps we should do one for Perl too: >> >> It's like having King Kong as your very own personal body guard ;) > > Good analogy: > You know, they call Perl the "eight-hundred-pound gorilla" of scripting > languages. Absolutely. It's big, ha

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread Luis M. González
rbt wrote: > Go right ahead. Perhaps we should do one for Perl too: > > It's like having King Kong as your very own personal body guard ;) Good analogy: You know, they call Perl the "eight-hundred-pound gorilla" of scripting languages. Although most of the time, it would be a a very unsuitable bo

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread David E. Konerding DSD staff
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Stein wrote: > Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his > style. > > This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a > *very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to > working on Python. (m

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread rbt
Anand wrote: >> It's like having James Bond as your very own personal body guard ;) > > That is such a nice quote that I am going to put it in my email > signature ! :) > > -Anand > Go right ahead. Perhaps we should do one for Perl too: It's like having King Kong as your very own personal body

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread Bengt Richter
On 22 Dec 2005 23:06:43 -0800, "Anand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My newsreader automatically (and configurably) generates the above line. Has a new reader come into frequent use that by default does not? ISTM that I've seen a lot of unattributed quotes posted recently. >> It's like having James

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread elegans
Of the three languages, Java, C# and Python, Python is my pet. c# is very 90tyish and VS is showing it's age reminding me of Borland's old c++ IDE. Python represents the new direction in program language development and has the needed flexibility. I look forward to Google making Python, or it's sis

Re: Herds of cats (was: Guido at Google)

2005-12-23 Thread Nicola Musatti
Cameron Laird wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . > >Ah, the closed source days! Back then you could just buy the company > >and be done with it. Now you have to chase developers one by one all > >over the world... ;-) >

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-23 Thread bearophileHUGS
This topic is discussed on Slashdot too: http://slashdot.org/articles/05/12/22/1832226.shtml?tid=217 There are some interesting comments, for example from curious Java or Perl programmers, etc. Some of them can probably appreciate this: http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/typecheck Among the noise

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Anand
> It's like having James Bond as your very own personal body guard ;) That is such a nice quote that I am going to put it in my email signature ! :) -Anand -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
Bugs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So when *is* someone (either Guido himself or Google) going to > officially announce that Guido has moved to Google? If at all? I don't think any official announcement is planned. > Also, it would be nice to know from Guido's perspective what, if any at > all,

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
rbt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > His founder, Mark Shuttleworth, is a python fan. > > Aren't most all intelligent people Python fans? No: I know many intelligent people who are not Python fans, ranging from the Perl crowd (lot of great, bright people who however prefer Perl to Python) to

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
Bengt Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:07:26 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) > wrote: > > >Renato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and > >> Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
Greg Stein wrote: > Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his > style. > > This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a > *very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to > working on Python. (much more than his previous "one

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex Martelli wrote: > > Renato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and > > > Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or > > > redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, y

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
Thomas Wouters wrote: [...] thank you for your comments. - TAG.python.evolution.negate . -- http://lazaridis.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Gary Herron wrote: > > >>So how about it... What's your complaint, what's your solution, and why >>should we listen? > > Nobody will ever know. simply review this explanations: http://lazaridis.com/core/index.html some people have already understood this in the past.

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is interesting. With more Python time in Guido's hands maybe Py > 3.0 is a bit closer... :-) > > I don't know if this is a silly idea: > A small part of the wealth of a modern state is probably determined by > the software it uses/produces, and a small part of this

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] >> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/python.html [...] > Hi there, I wonder what comments you would have about XOTCL, or other > OO extensions for tcl, like snit, and dozens more. I looked at the > various scripting languages available to me

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bearophileHUGS
This is interesting. With more Python time in Guido's hands maybe Py 3.0 is a bit closer... :-) I don't know if this is a silly idea: A small part of the wealth of a modern state is probably determined by the software it uses/produces, and a small part of this software is open source or free. This

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Luis M. González
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > JB wrote: > > > long life to Guido & Goole ! many things to come ;) > > Google is merely the new Microsoft and surely just as unethical > at its core. > > And your spelling Goole is probably closer to the mark, > since it is merely the next ghoulish big company, > come to

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread x600y
JB wrote: > long life to Guido & Goole ! many things to come ;) Google is merely the new Microsoft and surely just as unethical at its core. And your spelling Goole is probably closer to the mark, since it is merely the next ghoulish big company, come to restrict our freedoms and blot out the s

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Bugs
Greg Stein wrote: > 50% "on" > 100% "with" > Wow, that's great to know, thanks Greg! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Greg Stein
50% "on" 100% "with" On 12/22/05, Jay Parlar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his > > style. > > > > This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a > > *very

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Tim Peters
[Greg Stein] >>> Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his >>> style. He's been very low-key about it, but did make an informal announcement on the PSF-Members mailing list. >>> This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a >>> *very* signifi

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread casioculture
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Greg Stein wrote: > > Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our > > software. While we've released some stuff > > (code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to > > http://code.google.com/projects.html > > > do. Getting engi

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Robert Kern
Jay Parlar wrote: > On Dec 22, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >>Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his >>style. >> >>This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a >>*very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to >>w

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Jay Parlar
On Dec 22, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his > style. > > This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a > *very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to > working on Python. (much

Re: The Varieties of Pythonic Experience (was: Guido at Google)

2005-12-22 Thread Robert Hicks
You mean Jython is still going? ; ) Robert -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Greg Stein
Guido would acknowledge a query, but never announce it. That's not his style. This should have a positive impact on Python. His job description has a *very* significant portion of his time dedicated specifically to working on Python. (much more than his previous "one day a week" jobs have given hi

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Bugs
So when *is* someone (either Guido himself or Google) going to officially announce that Guido has moved to Google? If at all? Also, it would be nice to know from Guido's perspective what, if any at all, impact this will have on Python? Maybe here? http://www.artima.com/weblogs/index.jsp?blogg

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread blumberg
lazy bastard -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Gary Herron wrote: > So how about it... What's your complaint, what's your solution, and why > should we listen? Nobody will ever know. Check the comp.lang.python/ruby/lisp/etc archives for more. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Thomas Wouters
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:38:12 +0200, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > As expressed above, I am afraid about pythons evolution-speed and futher > evolution in general. Yet you don't seem to be worried for any (Python) specific reason. Python evolution has known its ups and downs. For instance, back when

The Varieties of Pythonic Experience (was: Guido at Google)

2005-12-22 Thread Cameron Laird
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Graham Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >...though not a lot of forks/variations that have persisted past the >early-alpha phase. Many of those projects are stale or defunct, alas. > >Per

Python's ontology and governance (was: Guido at Google)

2005-12-22 Thread Cameron Laird
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >The question is, can anyone just fork a new one using the python name, >as part of the project, without the permission from the foundation ? >Say for example, a

Herds of cats (was: Guido at Google)

2005-12-22 Thread Cameron Laird
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >Ah, the closed source days! Back then you could just buy the company >and be done with it. Now you have to chase developers one by one all >over t

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And I have around one year to wait for Ruby to get rid of the nasty > syntax copied from Perl and make it look as beautiful as Python > Then I'll consider switching. ;) > > Ummm, I'm sorry, did you say clean reflective meta-model??? yes. > So this: > > caller[0]

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread drew . smathers
And I have around one year to wait for Ruby to get rid of the nasty syntax copied from Perl and make it look as beautiful as Python Then I'll consider switching. ;) Ummm, I'm sorry, did you say clean reflective meta-model??? So this: caller[0] =~ /in `([^']+)'/ ? $1 : '(anonymous)' vs. th

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread EP
rbt wrote: >Luis M. González wrote: > > >>>Java => Sun >>>.Net => Microsoft >>>C# => Microsoft >>>Linux => too many big name IT companies to mention >>>Python => ? >>> >>> >>I know at least one company responsible for a linux distro (Cannonical >>- Ubuntu), which encourages and ev

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Nicola Musatti
Alex Martelli wrote: > Renato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and > > Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or > > redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, yum (the official > > software package manager for Fedo

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Bengt Richter
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:07:26 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: >Renato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and >> Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or >> redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, yum

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
Gary Herron wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > >> Greg Stein wrote: [...] >>> provided a LOT of support to a large number of open source >>> organizations. >> >> I hope that you invest some time to _organize_ the Open Source Projects. >> >> Starting with Python and it's project-structure (e.g. buil

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Brian van den Broek
Graham Fawcett said unto the world upon 2005-12-22 08:18: > Steve Holden wrote: > >>>Nicola Musatti wrote: >>>Of course, I'm going on vacation next week and there was talk >>>about a one-way ticket to Mexico. The real question is will they let me >>>*back* in? :-) >>> >> >>I would be careful comi

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Kent Johnson
Cameron Laird wrote: > While I don't understand the question, it might be pertinent to > observe that, among open-source development projects, Python is > unusual for the *large* number of "forks" or alternative imple- > mentations it has supported through the years http://phaseit.net/claird/comp.

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Graham Fawcett
Peter Hansen wrote: > Graham Fawcett wrote: > > Steve Holden wrote: > >>>Nicola Musatti wrote: > >>>Of course, I'm going on vacation next week and there was talk > >>>about a one-way ticket to Mexico. The real question is will they let me > >>>*back* in? :-) > >>I would be careful coming back acro

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
Renato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and > Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or > redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, yum (the official > software package manager for Fedora and RHEL) and Anaconda (OS > i

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
Carsten Haese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 07:01, Peter Hansen wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > So exactly how high is python in Google's priority list ? Or in other > > > words, if python is in a stand still as it is now, what would be the > > > impact to Google ?

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > So exactly how high is python in Google's priority list ? Or in other > words, if python is in a stand still as it is now, what would be the > impact to Google ? As an outsider, I can only base on public info, like And so can I, as an insider, when I communicate

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread rbt
Luis M. González wrote: >> Java => Sun >> .Net => Microsoft >> C# => Microsoft >> Linux => too many big name IT companies to mention >> Python => ? > > I know at least one company responsible for a linux distro (Cannonical > - Ubuntu), which encourages and even pays programmers for develo

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread rbt
Alex Martelli wrote: > Rhetorical > questions are a perfectly legitimate style of writing (although, like > all stylistic embellishments, they can be overused, and can be made much > less effective if murkily or fuzzily phrased), of course. Also, email doesn't convey rhetorical questions that wel

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Tim Peters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ... > What about the copyright in CPython ? Can I someone take the codebase > and make modifications then call it Sneak ? Of course they _could_ do that, and even without making modifications beyond the name change. If you want to know whether it's legal, that's a different q

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Peter Hansen
Graham Fawcett wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: >>>Nicola Musatti wrote: >>>Of course, I'm going on vacation next week and there was talk >>>about a one-way ticket to Mexico. The real question is will they let me >>>*back* in? :-) >>I would be careful coming back across the border. I heard that the PS

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Thomas Wouters
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:18:52 -0800, Graham Fawcett wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: >> I would be careful coming back across the border. I heard that the PSU > [suspicous premature end-of-sentence] > > Steve, I hope that the PSU is just jamming your comms, and not holding > you captive over the holi

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Carsten Haese wrote: > So, if there is something you don't like about Python, you have two > choices: > 1) Seek consensus with the Python community and have your changes > accepted into the "official" Python version, or > 2) Fork Python into something else with a different name. If the > different

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > >>Well the name "Python" is a trade mark of the Python Software >>Foundation. So if you invent another language and start calling it >>"Python" just to get an audience you should expect to receive a >>cease-and-desist letter. >> > > That is what I

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Carsten Haese
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 08:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Cameron Laird wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > . > > . > > . > > >Well, this may be the CPython way of open source but I don't know if >

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Steve Holden wrote: > Well the name "Python" is a trade mark of the Python Software > Foundation. So if you invent another language and start calling it > "Python" just to get an audience you should expect to receive a > cease-and-desist letter. > That is what I expect but don't know to what exten

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Graham Fawcett
Steve Holden wrote: > > Nicola Musatti wrote: > > Of course, I'm going on vacation next week and there was talk > > about a one-way ticket to Mexico. The real question is will they let me > > *back* in? :-) > > > I would be careful coming back across the border. I heard that the PSU [suspicous pre

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Cameron Laird wrote: > >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> . >> . >> . >> >>>Well, this may be the CPython way of open source but I don't know if >>>that is "Open source" in gen

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Graham Fawcett
Cameron Laird wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . > >Well, this may be the CPython way of open source but I don't know if > >that is "Open source" in general. Another way is that if someone(or > >group) don't like the current state of a p

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Renato
For what is worth, all of the native administration tools of RedHat (all versions) and Fedora Core are written in python (system-config-* and/or redhat-config-* ). And even more importantly, yum (the official software package manager for Fedora and RHEL) and Anaconda (OS installer) are written in P

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Carsten Haese
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 07:01, Peter Hansen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So exactly how high is python in Google's priority list ? Or in other > > words, if python is in a stand still as it is now, what would be the > > impact to Google ? > > Since when is Python in a standstill? I believ

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Luis M. González
> Java => Sun > .Net => Microsoft > C# => Microsoft > Linux => too many big name IT companies to mention > Python => ? I know at least one company responsible for a linux distro (Cannonical - Ubuntu), which encourages and even pays programmers for developing applications in Python. His fo

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Cameron Laird wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . > . > . > >Well, this may be the CPython way of open source but I don't know if > >that is "Open source" in general. Another way is that if som

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Cameron Laird
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . >Well, this may be the CPython way of open source but I don't know if >that is "Open source" in general. Another way is that if someone(or >group) don't like the

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Peter Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So exactly how high is python in Google's priority list ? Or in other > words, if python is in a stand still as it is now, what would be the > impact to Google ? Since when is Python in a standstill? By all accounts I've seen, and personal observation over the last fiv

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Fuzzyman
Greg Stein wrote: > Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our > software. While we've released some stuff > (code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to > do. Getting engineers' 20% time to do that has been difficult. > Thankfully, we know how to

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Ray
EP wrote: > Congrats, Guido. Thanks for Python and may your future at Google be bright. Congrats to BDFL too--may the future of his and his creation be bright indeed! Ray > > > EP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Alex Martelli wrote: > In the general case, it's pretty general;-). In the specific case of > your "question" above quoted (interpreting the mis-spelled words and > grammatical errors to the best of my modest ability), reading it as > rhetorical means it's in fact intended as a statement (that a

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread EP
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Anand wrote: > > >>This is very good news. I wish Guido all the best! >> >>I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing >>IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. >>Perhaps Google has some cards up their sleeve. What othe

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Bengt Richter
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:30:03 -0700 (MST), Jim Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Bengt Richter wrote: > >> >> >> >> For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. >> > >> >Google can do that too, of course. >> > >> >http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+15+meters+to+feet >> >

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Nicola Musatti wrote: > >>By the way, I hear that you've become collegues also with Matt Austern, >>formerly of Apple, and Danny Thorpe, formerly of Borland. I guess we >>mere mortals don't stand a chance of being hired, but if the trend >>continues there are going to be

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > > > > I wonder how high a particular programming language is in the prioirty > > > > > of either organisations of such size ? ... > from me), there really is nothing I can do other changing the mail name > which I am intended to. Sorry, can't parse this (I

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Alex Martelli wrote: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > > > > > I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing > > > > > IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. > > > > > Perhaps Google has some cards up their sleeve. What other best way to > >

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Bengt Richter
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:47:29 -0500, Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Bengt Richter wrote: >[roughly "an inch is not exactly 25.4mm"] >> At least according to my dusty 37th Edition Handbook of Chemistry and >> Physics (c) 1955. >> Maybe things have changed since then ;-) > >Wikipedia concu

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > > > I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing > > > > IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. > > > > Perhaps Google has some cards up their sleeve. What other best way to > > > > counter this than to hire th

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Gary Herron wrote: > You don't appear to understand Open Source very well. > > Python is the way it is because we, the community, *like* it that way. > It evolves in directions that we (all) decide it is to evolve. Guido is > our leader in this because we trust him and *choose* to follow his lead.

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Gary Herron
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >Greg Stein wrote: > > >>Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our >>software. While we've released some stuff >>(code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to >> >> > >http://code.google.com/projects.html > > > >>do.

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread bonono
Alex Martelli wrote: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anand wrote: > > > This is very good news. I wish Guido all the best! > > > > > > I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing > > > IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. > > > Perhaps Googl

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-22 Thread Alex Martelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anand wrote: > > This is very good news. I wish Guido all the best! > > > > I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing > > IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. > > Perhaps Google has some cards up their sleeve. Wha

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread bonono
Anand wrote: > This is very good news. I wish Guido all the best! > > I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing > IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. > Perhaps Google has some cards up their sleeve. What other best way to > counter this than

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
Greg Stein wrote: > Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our > software. While we've released some stuff > (code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to http://code.google.com/projects.html > do. Getting engineers' 20% time to do that has been di

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Anand
This is very good news. I wish Guido all the best! I wonder if this has got to do something with Microsoft developing IronPython. Incidentellay it is reaching a 1.0 release pretty soon. Perhaps Google has some cards up their sleeve. What other best way to counter this than to hire the big fish him

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Peter Hansen
Bengt Richter wrote: [roughly "an inch is not exactly 25.4mm"] > At least according to my dusty 37th Edition Handbook of Chemistry and Physics > (c) 1955. > Maybe things have changed since then ;-) Wikipedia concurs with Jim, though it says the official change dates from 1958. Better throw that

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Benson
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Bengt Richter wrote: > >> > >> For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. > > > >Google can do that too, of course. > > > >http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+15+meters+to+feet > > > >(49.2125984 feet to be more precise) > > > Actually that looks like it's based on the

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nicola Musatti wrote: > > By the way, I hear that you've become collegues also with Matt Austern, > formerly of Apple, and Danny Thorpe, formerly of Borland. I guess we > mere mortals don't stand a chance of being hired, but if the trend > continues there are going to be a lot of very interesting p

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Bengt Richter
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:40:15 -0500, Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >rbt wrote: >> Alex Martelli wrote: >> >>>I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he >>>sits about 15 meters away from me;-). >> >> For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. > >Google can d

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:14:16 -0600 in comp.lang.python, Rocco Moretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >15 meters (150 decimeter, 1500 cm, etc ...) >590 inches >49 feet >16 yards >0.0093 miles >0.008 nautical miles >3 rods >0.075 furlongs >1800 barleycorns >147.63 hands >66 spans >33 cubits >13 el

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Gerard Flanagan
Rocco Moretti wrote: > Jack Diederich wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 01:36:42PM -0500, rbt wrote: > > > >>Alex Martelli wrote: > >> > >>>I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he > >>>sits about 15 meters away from me;-). > >> > >>For Americans: 15 meters is roughl

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Rocco Moretti
Jack Diederich wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 01:36:42PM -0500, rbt wrote: > >>Alex Martelli wrote: >> >>>I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he >>>sits about 15 meters away from me;-). >> >>For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. > > > Right, so that is ab

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Peter Hansen
rbt wrote: > Alex Martelli wrote: > >>I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he >>sits about 15 meters away from me;-). > > For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. Google can do that too, of course. http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+15+meters+to+feet (49

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Peter Hansen
Jack Diederich wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 01:36:42PM -0500, rbt wrote: > >>Alex Martelli wrote: >> >>>I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he >>>sits about 15 meters away from me;-). >> >>For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. > > Right, so that is about

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Jack Diederich
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 01:36:42PM -0500, rbt wrote: > Alex Martelli wrote: > > I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he > > sits about 15 meters away from me;-). > > For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. Right, so that is about three and a half stone? -- ht

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Kamilche
Well, congrats to Google! I think they're the lucky ones, to get him, and you, both. :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
rbt wrote: > Alex Martelli wrote: >> I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he >> sits about 15 meters away from me;-). > > For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. Well they could have used google for that ;-) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=15+meter+in+feet

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread rbt
Alex Martelli wrote: > I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he > sits about 15 meters away from me;-). For Americans: 15 meters is roughly 50 feet. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Guido at Google

2005-12-21 Thread Nicola Musatti
Alex Martelli wrote: > Fuzzyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's potentially very good news. (Or slightly sinister -depending on > > your paranoia levels). > > > > You got any references on that ? > > I don't think there was any official announcement, but it's true -- he > sits about 15 met

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