Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >Greg Stein wrote: > > >>Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our >>software. While we've released some stuff >>(code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to >> >> > >http://code.google.com/projects.html > > > >>do. Getting engineers' 20% time to do that has been difficult. >>Thankfully, we know how to fix that and got the okay/headcount to make >>it happen. (IOW, it isn't a lack of desire, but making it happen) >> >> > >When a company like Google open's sources, this means simply nothing >more than: > > - the software is not critical to their business (e.g. core-software) > - the internal resources cannot ensure further development > >See IBM, SUN and others, which have done the same thing. > > > >>But even if we haven't been able to open-source as much code as we'd >>like, we *have* been trying to be very supportive of the community. >>Between the Summer of Code and direct cash contributions, we've >>provided a LOT of support to a large number of open source >>organizations. >> >> > >I hope that you invest some time to _organize_ the Open Source Projects. > >Starting with Python and it's project-structure (e.g. build-process) and >documentation (e.g. ensuring standard-terminology is kept, like "class") > >e.g.: where can I find an UML diagramm of the Python Object Model? > >Even Ruby has one: > >http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby/TheRubyObjectModel.png > >- > > > >>And we have a couple other ideas on how to help the open source >>community. We're working on it! >> >> > >The open-source-community can help Google, too! > >E.g.: Google needs an public Issue-Tracking-System. > >I needed around 30 emails and 2 months until google-groups-support >removed a bug which broke(!) existent links to google archives. (cannot >find the topic. Simply search your support-archives to see the desaster). > >With publicity, the team would have removed the bug within one week. > > > >>Cheers, >>-g >> >> > >And finally: > >If Mr. van Rossum is now at Google, and Python is essentially a Mr. van >Rossum based product, then most possibly the evolution-speed of Python >will decrease even more (Google will implement things needed by Google - >van Rossum will follow, so simple). > >I mean, when will this language finally become a _really_ fully >Object-Oriented one, with a clean reflective Meta-Model? > >Thus I can see Python pass this this _simple_ evaluation (which it does >not pass in its current implementation): > >http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/python.html > >- > >I have around one year to await. > > You don't appear to understand Open Source very well.
Python is the way it is because we, the community, *like* it that way. It evolves in directions that we (all) decide it is to evolve. Guido is our leader in this because we trust him and *choose* to follow his lead. If you want something changed you don't wait and you don't whine, you join the community with a reasoned argument for why your idea would make it a better language in *our* eyes. So how about it... What's your complaint, what's your solution, and why should we listen? Gary Herron -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
