learning Python

Greetings There are mountains of books out there. Any suggestions for documents for a just learning how to program and starting with Python (3)? Preference to a tool where I would be learning by doing - - - that works well for me. TIA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: troglodytes

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 9:06 PM Mike Dewhirst via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > On 14/08/2024 12:54 am, Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: > > On 8/13/24 3:24 AM, Robin Becker via Python-list wrote: > >> I am clearly one of the troglodytes referred to in recent discussions > ar

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 10:53 AM Bill Deegan wrote: > I’m not looking through all the packages you have installed > > (Ctrl-F is your friend - - - ) > What version of python is installed on your system? > > There are actually 3 versions installed - - - which is why the whole list was posted. You

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:36 PM Bill Deegan wrote: > why reply to me instead of to the list? > It's generally considered bad form to do so. > Got it - - - except this list wants only reply all the next one wants only reply and keeping straight which is which isn't always happening. I did apologi

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:56 PM Mats Wichmann wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann > <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> wrote: > > > > On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wi

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:55 PM Bill Deegan wrote: > Your approach is wrong. > You don't build python from source using pip. > > You don't install new versions of python into a venv either. > > Have you read the following? > https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/esp8266/tutorial/intro.html > > Th

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

Matt - if you would rather that you were not included in the address list - - please advise. On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list < > > pyth

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > > My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't cover it) > > how do I install a different versi

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 4:24 AM Peter J. Holzer via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > On 2024-08-03 15:17:11 -0500, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > One of the tools I need to be able to use is esptools - - well in the > > devuan world you need to run that

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 7:11 PM dn via Python-list wrote: > On 4/08/24 09:34, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 4:06 PM dn via Python-list < > python-list@python.org> > > wrote: > > > >> On 4/08/24 08:17, o1bigtenor

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 6:20 PM Cameron Simpson via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > On 03Aug2024 16:34, o1bigtenor wrote: > >So please - - - how do I set up a venv so that I can install and run > >python > >3.12 > >(and other needed programs related to 3.12) inside? > > Maybe this g

Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 4:06 PM dn via Python-list wrote: > On 4/08/24 08:17, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > Greetings > > > > Looking at ESP8266 and wanting to program it using micropython (really > > don't want to have to learn C++ (not enough hours in the

Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

Greetings Looking at ESP8266 and wanting to program it using micropython (really don't want to have to learn C++ (not enough hours in the day as it is!!)). One of the tools I need to be able to use is esptools - - well in the devuan world you need to run that on either Devaun 3 or 5 - - - its ju

Re: SOLVED! Re: Weird Stuff (Markdown, syntax highlighting and Python)

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 9:48 PM Gilmeh Serda via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > > Solved by using a different method. > > - - - And that was how? TIA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Running issues

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 4:40 PM shannon makasale via Python-list < python-list@python.org> wrote: > Hi there, > My name is Shannon. I installed Python 3.12 on my laptop a couple months > ago, but realised my school requires me to use 3.11.1. > > I uninstalled 3.12 and installed 3.11.1. > > Unfortun

Re: Question(s)

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:47 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: > > On 10/26/23 10:41, Michael Torrie wrote: > > By the way you definitely can step > > through MicroPython code one line at a time with a remote debugger, say > > with Visual Studio Code. > > I meant to edit that bit out. Af

Re: Question(s)

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:43 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: > > On 10/26/23 06:34, o1bigtenor wrote: > > Interesting - - - - ". . . see if it runs." - - - that's the issue! > > When the code is accessing sensors there isn't an easy way to > > check that the code is working until one ha

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 3:56 PM Jim Schwartz wrote: > Does this link help? It seems to have a Linux package here. > > Eclipse Packages | The Eclipse Foundation - home to a global community, > the Eclipse IDE, Jakarta EE and over 350 open source projects... >

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 11:58 AM Michael F. Stemper via Python-list wrote: > > On 25/10/2023 05.45, o1bigtenor wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:35 PM Chris Angelico via Python-list > > wrote: > > >> 3. Catch the failure before you commit and push. Unit tests are great for > >> this. > > > >

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:19 AM Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: > > On 10/25/23 05:51, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote: > > Looks like I have another area to investigate. (grin!) > > Any suggestions? > > Seems to me you're trying to run before you have learn

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:10 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > > o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 08:29 -0500: > > ... > >It would appear that something has changed. > > > >Went to the Eclipse download page, downloaded and verified (using sha-512). > >Expanded software to # opt . > >There is absolutely NO m

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:56 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > > o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 07:50 -0500: > >> There are several others, > >> e.g. "ECLIPSE" can be used for Python development. > > > >Is 'Eclipse' a Windows oriented IDE? > > No. > ==> "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software)"

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > > o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-25 06:44 -0500: > >On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24?AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > > ... > >> There are different kinds of errors. > >> > >> Some can be avoided by using an integrated development environment > >> (e.g. mi

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:20 AM Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 21:46, o1bigtenor wrote: > > > 2. Catch the failure as you save. We have a lot of tools that can help > > > you to spot bugs. > > > > Tools like this for python please. > > Various ones. Type checkers

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:24 AM Dieter Maurer wrote: > > o1bigtenor wrote at 2023-10-24 07:22 -0500: > > ... > >Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is > >supposed to do even > >before all the hardware has been assembled and installed and tested? > > Others have already n

Re: Question(s)

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 6:25 AM Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 21:53, o1bigtenor wrote: > > > > Hmm - - - - now how can I combine 'Hamming codes' > > and a raid array? > > > > TIA > > Normally you wouldn't. But let's say you're worried that a file might >

Re: Question(s)

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:36 PM AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > > Agreed, Chris. There are many methods way better than the sort of RAID > architecture I supplied as AN EXAMPLE easy to understand. But even so, if a > hard disk or memory chip is fried or a nuclear bomb takes out all servers in >

Re: Question(s)

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:43 PM Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 12:20, AVI GROSS via Python-list > wrote: > > Consider an example of bit rot. I mean what if your CPU or hard disk has a > > location where you can write a byte and read it back multiple times and >

Re: Question(s)

A post with useful ideas - - - - thanks (it generates some questions! interleaved) On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:35 PM Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 12:11, Thomas Passin via Python-list > wrote: > > This doesn't mean that no program can ever be proven to halt, nor

Re: Question(s)

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 6:09 PM Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote: > snip > > By now you have read many responses that basically say that you cannot > prove that a given program has no errors, even apart from the hardware > question. Even if it could be done, the kind of specification that you

Re: Question(s)

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:28 PM Rob Cliffe wrote: > > There is no general way to prove that a program is "correct". Or even > whether it will terminate or loop endlessly. > These are of course theoretical statements of computer science. But > they can be rigorously proven. (Sorry if I'm just sa

Re: Question(s)

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 4:54 PM Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote: > > On 2023-10-24, Dan Purgert via Python-list wrote: > > On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor wrote: > >> Greetings > >> > >> (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for > >> a complex question.) > >> [...] > >>

Question(s)

Greetings (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for a complex question.) I have been using computers for a long time but am only beginning my foray into the galaxy of programming. Have done little to this point besides collection of information on sensors and working o