Re: newbie question

hat is *terrible* practice in a modern high-level language. Use the library functions. They will take proper account of the character set being used (which you shouldn't even have to know for a task like this, let alone make unsafe assumptions about). -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT

l the best people I've ever known have had experience > with quite a lot of languages. I know 10 languages. But I'm not telling you what base that number is :) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what happens inside?

eful to be sure that something can't change. In particular, efficient dictionary implementations need the keys to be immutable, because it you change a key it /really/ fouls up the look-up. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

u lose compiler checks. That's the right balance for a lot of applications, but not for all. If it's really critical that the program be correct then you'll want a bondage-and-discipline language that does masses of check, you might even do separate static analysis, and you'll *st

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

ctfully suggest that in *all* cases you do whatever is *clearest*, then switch to the other one if and only if performance is unacceptable *and* profiling reveals this to be the bottleneck? That avoids your deadlock (or is it livelock?) state. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

But my point remains that the authors of index can't know whether the item not being in the list is an error or not, can't know how to handle that case, and so passing it to the client as an exception is an appropriate response. > No, it's not being killed from outside the program -- it's being > *interrupted* from *inside* the program by the user. Who -- unless AI has advanced further than I thought -- is *outside* the program. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

propriate. Same with warnings; they *probably* shouldn't happen but only the application programmer can know whether they should or not. The point is that an exception causes a change in program flow, so of course they're used for flow control. It's what they do. The question is in wh

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

ppened that shouldn't have". If one uses it when something has happened that *should* have, because it happens to have the right behaviour (even if the overhead doesn't matter), then one is misrepresenting the program logic. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

ry, not merely the only clean way to exit. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

2009/10/11 Philip Semanchuk : > IMHO, break, goto, etc. have their place, but they're ripe for abuse which > leads to spaghetti code. Unrestricted goto can leat to spaghetti code, but surely break can't? AFAICS, any break construct will still be H-K reducible. -- T

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

cannot decrease indefinitely, if you can define a loop variant then you gurantee that the loop will terminate. Even if you are not being formal, just considering what the loop variants and invariants can save no end of trouble with tricky loops. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

eption ) And with enough static analysis to guarantee that the break will be reached? I think it would be a bit much to expect Python to solve the halting problem! -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The rap against "while True:" loops

gt; And I know somebody, in other languages, thinks it's > a Best Practice to avoid using exceptions for flow control. > > Thankfully, python programmers are less dogmatic, and use whatever makes > sense to use. I hope. Absolutely. And it doesn't make sense to use exceptions for flow control :-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Haskell's new logo, and the idiocy of tech geekers

a fucking idiot... > motherfucking aggresive > it's just few of priest fuckheads > look at lojban's motherfucking idiotic logo If you really knew anything about social function you would be able to work out why people think you are a troll. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

I was only 3 when it was released. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: An assessment of the Unicode standard

er with tentacles and fangs, that my language doesn't have a word for and that I have never seen. On your theory, how come I am thinking about it? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Confessions of a Python fanboy

2009/7/31 Steven D'Aprano : > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:47:04 +0100, Tim Rowe wrote: > >> That and the fact that I couldn't stop laughing for long enough to learn >> any more when I read in the Pragmatic Programmer's Guide that "Ruby, >> unlike less flexi

Re: Confessions of a Python fanboy

2009/7/30 superpollo : > Tim Rowe wrote: >> Any language that gets any sort of real use has to have. For instance, >> I love Ada's numeric types (you can specify either the minimum number >> of significant figures or the maximum delta for a real type, and it >> wil

Re: Confessions of a Python fanboy

or me. That and the fact that I couldn't stop laughing for long enough to learn any more when I read in the Pragmatic Programmer's Guide that "Ruby, unlike less flexible languages, lets you alter the value of a constant." Yep, as they say "Bug" = "Undocumented feature"! -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Help understanding the decisions *behind* python?

builds *very* heavily on the concept of dictionaries it's not obscure at all! -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Calling functions: Why this complicated ?

in Ada. I shall now enter a period of self-refelection to try to work out why I am so inconsistent :-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Clarity vs. code reuse/generality

but if they're any use at all in the production run-time then there's something wrong with your development and testing processes. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: language analysis to enforce code standards

a classic from a programming guru of old. An automatic checker that just checks that the comment exists without understanding its contents simply is not adding value but is rather petty bureaucracy that will annoy the programmers. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Clarity vs. code reuse/generality

are that you *don't* care about correctness. You *know* the input is often wrong, but you're not bothering to check it? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Clarity vs. code reuse/generality

fostering good habits for the rest of their careers. Any hostility from the OP seems to be a response to the persistent refusal to accept his assurances that he is not using the assertions for run-time error checking, nor teaching the students to do that, -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Clarity vs. code reuse/generality

The hostility you've received to that idea is saddening, and indicative of why there's so much buggy software out there. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Which one is best Python or Java for developing GUI applications?

2009/5/6 Dennis Lee Bieber : > (the "near" is because I feel Ada is > stricter than any other language) Try SPARK -- it's Ada based, but /much/ stricter. It's just right for some really critical stuff, but is no sort of an answer to "Which one is best Python or Jav

Re: best "void" return of a member function

top of that. Most Ada MS Windows thick wrappers (ie, ones that feel natural to Ada) are built on top of Win32Ada, which stays as close to the underlying C interface as it can. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a programming language that is combination of Python and Basic?

: int frodo() { int rval = 0; if ((bilbo() == 0) || (gandalf() == 0) { /* lot's of code here */ } else rval = -1; return rval; } I'd be inclined to do it that way even if multiple exits were allowed; it just seems so much clearer. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a programming language that is combination of Python and Basic?

lear that you know the difference. Sorry for the confusion. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a programming language that is combination of Python and Basic?

umps are bad. And then by showing the conclusion is false, you believe you have shown a contradiction? Try looking up "Affirming the consequent"! GOTO is an /unstructured/ jump. Raise, break, continue, if, for and so an are all /structured/ jumps. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a programming language that is combination of Python and Basic?

27;ll see that it pretty much *is* Modula2". So whether Modula2 was a direct influence or not, it seems to have found its way in. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a programming language that is combination of Python and Basic?

y evidence for that? There's a lot of typing in Ada (it shows its Pascal roots) but in all the studies I've seen Ada production code has consistently shown fewer errors than the more concise C/C++ family of languages. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: need to start a new project , can python do all that ?

which case there would be no reason for him not to cut his Python teeth (fangs?) on it. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a programming language that is combination of Python and Basic?

2009/4/17 Michael Torrie : > Spaghetti code can be written in *any* language. I challenge you to write spahgetti code in SPARK! -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: need to start a new project , can python do all that ?

ithout actually having done anything wrong.  Check > first. Quite -- but I'd add that if you haven't identified the safety significance of the software, or haven't kept an audit trail to show that you have applied techniques appropriate to the safety significance, then you /have

Re: need to start a new project , can python do all that ?

tions (and for specific development processes), or you could find yourself either with an application you can't use or a very big lawsuit and possibly jail if it goes wrong. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why does Python show the whole array?

2009/4/9 Miles : > Clearly, any comparison with a boolean literal should be illegal.  ;) Hey, we could have strict type checking at compile time of /all/ operations, couldn't we? Anybody care to join me over at the Ada list? ;-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: A design problem I met again and again.

of the resulting classes will be too trivial, and it won't give you the derived classes you need, but it's a good first step to breaking a problem down, and might help break your one big class habit. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python for loop

2009/4/1 Carl Banks : > I am also an engineer, and I can tell your idea of intuitive is not > universal, even among engineers.  I certainly do not lean toward one- > based indexing. Another engineer here who finds 0-based indexing more intuitive than 1-based indexing. -- Tim Row

Re: How complex is complex?

2009/3/20 Hendrik van Rooyen : > A joke based on the Monty Python series is BY DEFINITION not stupid! But may get /too/ silly. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Threads not Improving Performance in Program

optimum for all possible applications, each one has different compromises. You've just discovered one of Python's. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Rough draft: Proposed format specifier for a thousands separator

ou worry about > the format that you want to display it in. Nothing in the proposal being considered addresses any of that. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Rough draft: Proposed format specifier for a thousands separator

ness in presenting those numbers. If "Finance users and non-professional programmers find the locale approach to be frustrating, arcane and non-obvious" then by all means propose a way of making it simpler and clearer, but not a bodge that will increase the amount of bad software in the w

Re: Rough draft: Proposed format specifier for a thousands separator

nate) problems caused by dot and comma confusion.. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Indentations and future evolution of languages

2009/3/8 Tim Roberts : > Tim Rowe wrote: >> >>I don't think the article is right that "it's silly to have some >>expression/statement groupings indentation based and some grouped by >>enclosing tokens" -- provided it's done right. The OCAML-bas

Re: 2.6.1 - simple division

t fractions that can be expressed exactly in decimal can end up as recurring decimals in binary. 0.8 looks nice and tidy, but in binary (if I get this right) it's 0.1100110011001100..., recurring ad infinitum. The computer has to truncate it somewhere. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python worth learning as a second language?

low learning curve -- a reasonable programmer can become productive in Python very quickly. For one programmer's experience of learning Python have a look at http://www.python.org/about/success/esr/ (although I grant that Eric Raymond might count slightly higher than just a /reasona

Re: Indentations and future evolution of languages

not necessary (but still legal). That seems to me to work pretty cleanly. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Performance of Python 3

hon (and probably in Ruby too) is to get the code working, then if there are any *measured* bottlenecks to optimise them in C++. That means that in practice there won't be a perceptible speed difference for the user. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: removing duplication from a huge list.

hashes are not collisions but genuine duplicates you can throw them away as soon as they're checked, so with some clever buffering you can stop them from clogging up the buffer. The worst case is if there are a lot of genuine collisions, in which case it's probably not a very good hash. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: removing duplication from a huge list.

ords, and it won't all fit into memory. So your observation is pertinent. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Efficient searching through objects

rations and so is likely to be faster still. I think there are a couple that Python works well with, but I've never looked into that -- others will no doubt be along with recommendations now I've raised the subject. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: try except question - serious foo bar question, and pulling my hair out :-)

son will > ask an enlightening question; but, sometimes they just make > unhelpfull wisecracks.  It's a tough choice. I used to use a baby, which avoids the embarrassment but can be just as problematic to order on the internet. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Newby - is this what they are looking for ?? and is their a better a way

p it simple, the way you have been so far. 4. If you want to be a wise guy, ask your tutor why he/she got you to convert the whole phrase to upper case, wasting a whole pile of character conversion operations under the hood, because it's only the acronym that needs to be converted :-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Reference or Value?

; they would get much the same answer for the first question (immutability is handled differently, I think, but it's there) but a totally different answer to the second. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: datetime.time and midnight

't have an expectation, why are you interpreting it as a Boolean? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: get most common number in a list with tolerance

lar kernel. What would you expect the output to be if the data set were [10,30,20,20,11,12,13] and the tolerance were 2? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will multithreading make python less popular?

rovide threads and processes and > programmer choose the way. I really believe that GIL is a design > error. It's only an error if it gets in the way. It's the experience of a lot of programmers that it doesn't, so it's not an error. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will multithreading make python less popular?

on. Not speed of /execution/ that is. Different languages have different trade-offs. Python's trade-offs suit us. If they don't suit you, use a language with trade-offs that do. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will multithreading make python less popular?

ty will depend on the project. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will multithreading make python less popular?

language. I think it will be a long search. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will multithreading make python less popular?

es, defined in an XML script, was a dream in Python when I'd probably still be coding it today in C++. Horses for courses. It's almost always wrong to say that language A is better than language B; the most you can say is that language A is better than language B for some specific task. -

Re: Will multithreading make python less popular?

ded. For those few cases where threading is a genuine advantage, Python is not ideal. But in the real world I doubt they're enough to make a significant dent in Python's popularity. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Embarrasing questio

2009/2/12 km : > Hi, > > you could do it this way also : > > if i in [3,5]: > do something... True, you could do it, but it would be wrong. The original is true for i = 6, 9, 10, 12 and so on, but yours doesn't seem to be... -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Putting asterisks around text

w how to do it without using a while loop, but to help you we need to know what *you* know). Like: do you understand what a while loop does? And so on. We're a pretty friendly bunch in here, but most of us believe in "tough love" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_love). --

Re: "Weird" Indentation? (Or: is there a for...else construct?)

backwards. What's awful about it? Except in the sense of inspiring awe, of course. No, Steven's example isn't broken, it works as the epydoc authors intended. > (it's still in 3). Good. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Couple of noobish question

stay clear of the os module :-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?

ging in a position that could modify the "unfriendly" text? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?

2009/2/5 mk : > > (duck) > > 542 comp.lang.python rtfm > > 467 comp.lang.python shut+up > > 263 comp.lang.perl rtfm > > 45 comp.lang.perl shut+up Yes, but is there any real traffic on comp.lang.perl nowadays? Sorry, cheap shot ;-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.pyth

Re: Using while loop and if statement to tell if a binary has an odd or even number of 1's.

or the bit shifting because I think it's clearer. And I'd want a word with a tutor who insisted on premature optimisation ("The root of all evil", according to C A R Hoare), especially in a scripting language! -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Using while loop and if statement to tell if a binary has an odd or even number of 1's.

member a programming exercise when I was an undergraduate and anyone > who *didn't* use that trick got marked down for writing inefficient code. Is adding and a modulus *really^ more efficient than flipping a bool as I suggested? I think I'd want to see measurements! -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Feet and inches

ht like to think about what should happen if a user enters a negative value, but the present behaviour -- when fixed -- may be what you need. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Upgrade 2.6 to 3.0

on 2.6 yet, never mind 3.0). Unless all you want is in the standard library, I think it's worth the general user holding back for a while whilst the tool providers catch up. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Using while loop and if statement to tell if a binary has an odd or even number of 1's.

r in the string -- there's your loop -- and if (there's your if) it's a "1" change the truth value of even: even = !even. If it is a number rather than a string, you want to do much the same thing but you'll need the >> and & operators. Chris has already

Re: Couple of noobish question

2009/2/5 : > On Feb 5, 11:14 am, Tim Rowe wrote: > > ... > >> On an MS Windows system, os.uname()[0] raises an AttributeError -- sys >> doesn't seem to contain uname. Is that a Linux thing? Would os.name >> work on Linux? Or would one have to use exception han

Re: sys.float_info.epsilon

2009/2/5 Scott David Daniels : > And, of course he is right (and didn't even whomp on my typo of "makes" > as "mes in the first line quoted above). A typo for "makes" didn't bother me. Non-associativity of the real numbers under addition risked making my

Re: Upgrade 2.6 to 3.0

when I'm trying to get to grips with the differences between versions.. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Couple of noobish question

have to use exception handling and catch the Windows case? That's the trouble with using anything in os, of course -- it's os dependent, which is why it's there! :-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: sys.float_info.epsilon

2009/2/4 Scott David Daniels : Thanks for that. It makes me feel guilty to point out that: > addition is not associative in real numbers should presumably be "addition is not associative in floating point numbers". -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: sys.float_info.epsilon

ppily do sys.float_info.max/(2*sys.float_info.epsilon) and will give me the answer "inf") so presumably he's trying to protect against divide by zero. So my next question is whether there is any x that can be returned by float() such that x != 0 but some_number / (2 * x) raises a

sys.float_info.epsilon

e value less than sys.float_value.epsilon other than 0.0 (which I think all representations can represent exactly). What am I missing here? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

2009/2/3 Jervis Whitley : > real programmers use ed. Ed? Eee, tha' were lucky. We had to make holes in Hollerith cards wi' our bare teeth... -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: is python Object oriented??

2009/2/2 Russ P. : > On Feb 2, 2:46 pm, Tim Rowe wrote: >> No, we're supposed to believe that the designers of C++, Java, Ada, >> and Scala are all designers of languages that are not Python. If all >> languages had the same philosophy what would be the point of dif

Re: is python Object oriented??

hilosophy what would be the point of different languages? Is it worth mentioning (again) that Python is not Java? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what IDE is the best to write python?

e how it would be any different to any other language. Admittedly I use the IDE because I like IDE's, but I don't see why it wouldn't work with a text editor and make -- the command line compiler is there. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: search speed

2009/1/30 Scott David Daniels : > Be careful with your assertion that a regex is faster, it is certainly > not always true. I was careful *not* to assert that a regex would be faster, merely that it was *likely* to be in this case. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: search speed

bit of extra insurance against false positives. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: is python Object oriented??

de to conform to an object oriented design (Python doesn't). So the answer to "Is Python Object-Oriented" is either "yes" or "no", depending on what you're /really/ asking. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Does Python really follow its philosophy of "Readability counts"?

is part of what being a grown-up programmer is about. One size does not fit all, one language is not ideal for all applications. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A java hobbyist programmer learning python

so Hungarian /can/ be useful. At this level I don't recognise a difference between System and Applications Hungarian, by the way -- the difference is eliminated if you declare types corresponding to the "meanings", which is commonplace in, for example, Ada. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Newby: how to transform text into lines of text

erating system that treats '\n' as a terminator (eg, Linux) rather than as a separator (eg, MS DOS/Windows). Perhaps what you don't /really/ want to be reminded of is the existence of operating systems other than your preffered one? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Does Python really follow its philosophy of "Readability counts"?

o go through a proper specification change procedure if the team (not the organisation) is more than a few people. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The First Law Of comp.lang.python Dynamics

2009/1/23 Martin P. Hellwig : > Or you can argue that even when an argument is repeated indefinitely it > doesn't make it suddenly right. No, but it makes for a confirmation of Schluehr's law :-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The First Law Of comp.lang.python Dynamics

urely know about Schluehr's Law? ;-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The First Law Of comp.lang.python Dynamics

2009/1/23 Kay Schluehr : > Whatever sufficiently sophisticated topic was the initially discussed > it ends all up in a request for removing reference counting and the > GIL. Well, maybe, but it seems to me that the real issue here is that we need to remove reference counting and the GIL.

Re: Does Python really follow its philosophy of "Readability counts"?

the maximum response time is tolerable. The loop variant can help with that, too. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Does Python really follow its philosophy of "Readability counts"?

Turing-complete. Specifically, all loops that are required to terminate require a loop variant to be defined. Typically the loop variant is a finite non-negative integer that provably decreases on every pass of the loop, which makes halting decidable. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/li

Re: Does Python really follow its philosophy of "Readability counts"?

although I've always wondered how much of that is because of language differences and how much is because Ada tends to be used on critical projects that also tend to get a lot more attention to development standards. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Does Python really follow its philosophy of "Readability counts"?

smatch. I was actually at the European Space Agency's Toulouse site the week after the Ariane 5 incident. I've been at jollier funerals. I can't help thinking that thinking that the team would have benefited from reading David Parnas's work on the specification of the A-7E avionics. -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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